Michael Jackson dies at age 50 from cardiac arrest

[cupcake]

What was the secret passage way behind his cedar closet used for? Creepy thought, he was hiding something or someone

[AliceInWonderland]

omfg one of the fucking idiot fantards interviewed on the local news just said,

"he was a gift from God that we just didn't know how to take care of"

i wanted to slap the bitch through my t.v.!

oh and btw this pisses me off as a Californian tax payer that the city of l.a. is paying for this shit! so far its gonna cost 2.5 million dollars which you know will likely double if not triple. FUCK YOU MICHAEL JACKSON!

[cupcake]

I feel like I am one of the few sane people in the universe. Cant stand the man...boy

[Grimmlok]

Could one of Jackos nutty defenders please elaborate on which part of the below DOES NOT apply to him?

Good luck!

Characteristics of a Pedophile :

* Often the pedophile is male and over 30 years of age.

* Single or with few friends in his age group.

* If married, the relationship is more "companion" based with no sexual relations.

* He is often vague about time gaps in employment which may indicate a loss in employment for questionable reasons or possible past incarceration.

Pedophiles Like Child-like Activities:

* He is often fascinated with children and child activities appearing to prefer those activities to adult oriented activities.

* He will often refer to children in pure or angelic terms using descriptives like innocent, heavenly, divine, pure, and other words that describe children but seem inappropriate and exaggerated.

* He has hobbies that are child-like such as collecting popular expensive toys, keeping reptiles or exotic pets, or building plane and car models.

Pedophiles Often Prefer Children Close to Puberty:

* Pedophiles often have a specific age of child they target. Some prefer younger children, some older.

* Often his environment or a special room will be decorated in child-like decor and will appeal to the age and sex of the child he is trying to entice.

* Many pedophiles often prefer children close to puberty who are sexually inexperienced, but curious about sex.

Pedophiles Work Around Children:

The pedophile will often be employed in a position that involves daily contact with children. If not employed, he will put himself in a position to do volunteer work with children, often in a supervisory capacity such as sports coaching, contact sport instruction, unsupervised tutoring or a position where he has the opportunity to spend unsupervised time with a child.

The Target Child:

The pedophile often seeks out shy, handicapped, and withdrawn children, or those who come from troubled homes or under privileged homes. He then showers them with attention, gifts, taunting them with trips to desirable places like amusement parks, zoo's, concerts, the beach and other such places.

Manipulation of the Innocent:

Pedophiles work to master their manipulative skills and often unleash them on troubled children by first becoming their friend, building the the child's self esteem. They may refer to the child as special or mature, appealing to their need to be heard and understood then entice them with adult type activities that are often sexual in content such as x-rated movies or pictures. They offer them alcohol or drugs to hamper their ability to resist activities or recall events that occurred.

Stockholm Syndrome :

It is not unusual for the child to develop feelings for the predator and desire their approval and continued acceptance. They will compromise their innate ability to decipher good and bad behavior, ultimately justifying the criminal's bad behavior out of sympathy and concern for the adults welfare. This is often compared to Stockholm Syndrome - when victims become attached emotionally to their captors.

The Single Parent:

Many times pedophiles will develop a close relationship with a single parent in order to get close to their children. Once inside the home, they have many opportunities to manipulate the children -- using guilt, fear, and love to confuse the child. If the child's parent works, it offers the pedophile the private time needed to abuse the child.

[Icepik]

Originally Posted by JadeStar70

Well if he was that sick and mentally ill,...he should have never been allowed to have three children under his care and supervision.

I'm sure his nanny took care of them. I think he probably was more of a buddy to those children.

But, then again, even after everything I have ever heard and read about Jackson, I have never once heard that he was a bad parent. I suppose I'll have to wait and see if his children one day say otherwise, since they are the only ones I would believe anyway.

[angelais]

I can't wait to see what celebrity shows up dressed uber tasteless. If Lohan shows up I am gonna bitch slap the TV.

I am DVD-R'ing the hell out of this. The actual memorial service isn't until 10:00 PST but CNN's coverage starts at 9:00. Let's milk the shit out of this thing.

MJ was a brilliant artist on stage but off stage he was a total freak, with a fucked up family, that I blame all on Papa Joe.

[Hazeleyed_Honey]

Originally Posted by JadeStar70

Well if he was that sick and mentally ill,...he should have never been allowed to have three children under his care and supervision.

It seemed like he was fit to be a great father. However, he was mentally ill in other areas (such as having the Peter Pan syndrome) and was very child like himself.

Again, of course, it is completely inappropriate what he did with sleepovers with other kids, but that does not provide proof that he did molest children just like it does not mean he did not molest children. That is my whole point.Maybe he truly did see it as innocent and harmless and not how as adults ourselves would see the wrong in it. Of course, it does not excuse nor justify this kind of behaviour at all. I think it all stems from him not having a childhood and experiencing the normal things that kids did, so he tried to do that as an adult to try to get that childhood that he was stripped of.

In the end, we all have our own opinions, but that is how I see it. So, to each their own.

[Kittylady]

And while he was busy "getting that childhood he was stripped of" he successfully stripped the childhood of children. Just MHO, of course...

[politesse]

Originally Posted by Kittylady

And while he was busy "getting that childhood he was stripped of" he successfully stripped the childhood of children. Just MHO, of course...

Exactly, the abused becomes the abuser.

[Grimmlok]

anybody? anybody want to point out how any of that does not match with jacko?

[kingcap72]

Originally Posted by Hazeleyed_Honey

It seemed like he was fit to be a great father. However, he was mentally ill in other areas (such as having the Peter Pan syndrome) and was very child like himself.

Again, of course, it is completely inappropriate what he did with sleepovers with other kids, but that does not provide proof that he did molest children just like it does not mean he did not molest children. That is my whole point.Maybe he truly did see it as innocent and harmless and not how as adults ourselves would see the wrong in it. Of course, it does not excuse nor justify this kind of behaviour at all. I think it all stems from him not having a childhood and experiencing the normal things that kids did, so he tried to do that as an adult to try to get that childhood that he was stripped of.

In the end, we all have our own opinions, but that is how I see it. So, to each their own.

No offense, but the 'bad childhood/no childhood' excuse is played out as a way to excuse anybody's bad behavior. Plenty of people have had bad childhoods, and they managed to get over it. MJ had the fame and wealth to get whatever help he needed, but he didn't.

And if MJ didn't molest anyone then he was probably the dumbest person on the planet to continue sleeping with little boys after he paid off the first molestation allegations. Instead, he kept proudly bragging to the world that it was perfectly normal for grown men to sleep with little boys. So, even if MJ didn't molest anyone his own words and actions helped create the perception that he did.

[Kittylady]

Originally Posted by Grimmlok

anybody? anybody want to point out how any of that does not match with jacko?

[Grimmlok]

^ Hah!

[Hazeleyed_Honey]

Originally Posted by Grimmlok

Could one of Jackos nutty defenders please elaborate on which part of the below DOES NOT apply to him?

I hope you are not calling me nutso. Just because someone sees something differently than you, does not make them nutso by the way.

As the things you listed...So, does that mean that automatically presumes him guilty without doubt? Infact, a lot of experts which have evaluated many pedophiles can refute that and say that Michael did not fit the usual profile of a pedophile. For example...

MARCH 15--Michael Jackson "doesn't really qualify as a pedophile. He's really just this regressed 10-year-old."

That was the surprising evaluation offered to police by Dr. Stanley Katz, the Los Angeles psychologist who interviewed the singer's teenage accuser and the boy's brother--and who is expected to soon testify as a government witness at Jackson's molestation trial.

In a taped June 2003 telephone interview, Katz, 55, gave a Santa Barbara sheriff's investigator his "off the record" opinion of the 46-year-old entertainer. Jackson, Katz told Det. Paul Zelis, "is a guy that's like a 10-year-old child. And, you know, he's doing what a 10-year-old would do with his little buddies. You know, they're gonna jack off, watch movies, drink wine, you know. And, you know, he doesn't even really qualify as a pedophile. He's really just this regressed 10-year-old."

The Case Against Michael Jackson: The Psychologist - March 15, 2005

After Jackson's trial, Slate's Jacob Weisberg argued forcefully that Jackson did not fit the typical profile of a sexual predator and was instead stuck in a state of asexual arrested development.

The dots, Weisberg wrote, connect quite easily between Jackson's tormented childhood -- abusive father, various sexual traumas, life in the spotlight, lack of conventional upbringing -- and the sad spectacle of his later years.

"Almost everything that seems freakish about him can be explained by his poignant, doomed effort to get his stolen childhood back...

"What emerged at the trial wasn't the picture of a man playing with children in order to seduce them. It was the picture of a man playing with children because he sees himself as one of them."

Michael Jackson tainted as a pedophile, but many experts didn't believe rumor - Grand Rapids Movies, Music, Events and Entertainment – MLive.com

Is Michael Jackson Stuck in Childhood?
Michael Jackson Seems Stuck in Permanent Childhood, Psychiatrists Say
By Joanna Schaffhausen

Nov. 21

For years, Michael Jackson's eccentric behavior has fascinated the world. Now, some medical experts are wondering whether the King of Pop suffers from some "psycho-emotional" retardation that causes him to live in a kind of permanent childhood.

With an amusement park for a back yard and penchant for entertaining young friends, is Jackson just a big kid himself, or could his actions signal something more troubling?

Jackson, 45, surrendered Thursday to police in Santa Barbara County, Calif., after authorities obtained an arrest warrant accusing him of multiple counts of child molestation. Jackson has denied the allegations and says he will be vindicated in court.

The singer spends a great deal of his time associating with children, but he himself maintains many childlike qualities. He speaks in a childlike voice and pursues childish activities such as scooter riding (even when children are not present). Like Peter Pan, he even lives in a place called Neverland.

Permanent Childhood

Many people love children, and there is nothing necessarily sinister about Jackson's affinity for youngsters. None of the experts in forensic psychiatry and child development who were interviewed had any direct knowledge of the case, and none made any judgment on Jackson's possible guilt or innocence.

It is the seemingly extreme childishness that Jackson himself exhibits that experts find unique.

Television interviews with Jackson make it appear as if he wants to "hang onto and preserve his childlike demeanor," said Dr. Fred Berlin, a psychiatric expert in pedophilia at Johns Hopkins University. "He seems proud of it."

"He seems stuck in childhood himself," said forensic psychiatrist Ryan Finkenbine of West Virginia University Medical School. "It's one of the more interesting aspects of the case."

Michael Borack, a forensic psychiatrist at the University of Cincinnati Medical School, has evaluated many pedophiles, and says Jackson does not fit the usual profile.

"[His eccentric behavior] is not typical of most offenders," Borack said. "Most offenders are 'normal' people who could be your neighbors, not freaky or weird."

Most pedophiles will keep toys or other such appealing items around to lure children, but they do not usually play with the items much themselves.

Richard Lawlor, chief of Outpatient Forensic Child Psychiatry Services at the Indiana School of Medicine, notes that many pedophiles do display some form of arrested development in that they choose to focus their attention on young children over other adults. "They become 'fixated' during development," Lawlor said. "We don't know why."

However, Lawlor says Jackson's childish demeanor would be rare among pedophiles. "I don't think that kind of behavior is very common," he said.

Some experts feel that pedophiles display a kind of Peter Pan syndrome and use children to hang onto their youth. Berlin cautions that this explanation is perhaps too hasty. "That's getting into a theory of cause, which I think is difficult," he said.

Berlin maintains there is no "typical" pedophile. "That's like saying, 'What is the typical heterosexual?'"

However, Ken Lanning, a retired FBI special agent who specialized in child sex crimes, says Jackson may fit some of the characteristics of an "acquaintance molester." Acquaintance molesters choose victims outside the family and seduce children with affection and attention.

But, he cautioned, "Just because you have some of the characteristics, it does not mean you are guilty."

Not an Excuse

Jackson raised eyebrows when he told British journalist Martin Bashir in a documentary that he has allowed children to sleep in his bed at the Neverland Ranch. He said there was nothing sexual about it.

If Jackson does suffer from some form of psycho-emotional retardation, it's possible he thought innocent snuggling in bed would be OK, experts say. However, Borack pointed out, "Jackson is an adult with an adult's sex drive."

Experts agree that, regardless of what may or may not have happened with Jackson, children should not be sleeping with unrelated adults of the opposite gender. "It just opens the door for misunderstandings at best," said Borack.

Borack speculates that Jackson's tumultuous upbringing may have left lasting emotional scars that help explain his odd behavior as an adult. "From what I've observed in TV interviews, Jackson had a violent, dictatorial father and an isolated upbringing. He never really had a childhood."

In any event, Jackson's eccentricities have increased the attention surrounding the scandal.

"[Jackson] is such an unusual person," Berlin said. "It makes the case that much more difficult."

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Is Michael Jackson Stuck in Childhood? - ABC News

[Hazeleyed_Honey]

Originally Posted by kingcap72

No offense, but the 'bad childhood/no childhood' excuse is played out as a way to excuse anybody's bad behavior. Plenty of people have had bad childhoods, and they managed to get over it. MJ had the fame and wealth to get whatever help he needed, but he didn't.

And if MJ didn't molest anyone then he was probably the dumbest person on the planet to continue sleeping with little boys after he paid off the first molestation allegations. Instead, he kept proudly bragging to the world that it was perfectly normal for grown men to sleep with little boys. So, even if MJ didn't molest anyone his own words and actions helped create the perception that he did.

I completely agree with you.

Who said anyone here is justifying his behaviour of having sleepovers with children? NO ONE is.

I do not understand your logic that a lot of individuals go through trauma and come out fine. As all different individuals, we all experience and deal with trauma or abuse differently. Some will get out of it fine and be sane, and some will just become self-destructive.

Now, this is again all believing he did not molest children, understanding why he may have acted that way or become that way does not by any means indicate you justify it. Understanding the root causes of an issue does not mean you find it excusable or justifiable.