Michael Jackson dies at age 50 from cardiac arrest

[Kittylady]

Originally Posted by twitchy2.0

That's not Jacko - it's Beavis!!

[Bellatheball]

I was thinking Marge Simpson.

[Elisa]

Bullshit! There were a zillion things he could do besides paying off the kid. MJ had a fortune to spend on lawyers, PIs and PR. He could have launched a media campaign like no other to annihilate the Chandlers before the first civil hearing over motions.

I’m a fan of MJ’s music, but I’m pretty neutral on him otherwise. I don’t know what Michael did or didn’t do with kids – I wasn’t there. And while, yes, paying off the kid probably left the impression he was guilty, to be fair, the same argument could be made that the parents accepted the offer instead of pursuing the case further. If they truly loved their kid and felt he’d been molested and victimized, they should have been more concerned with going to the end and taking him down. Personally, that would have meant a helluva lot more to me than becoming an instant millionaire at the expense of my son, but different strokes for different folks. I’m motivated by principle and righting a wrong; not money and greed.

Payoffs don’t necessarily signal guilt for me. Scumbags try to extort money from innocent, wealthy people all of the time. When someone can make any accusation about you and threaten to ruin you if you don’t pay up, you often settle because you have a lot more to lose than the scumbag does. How could Michael possibly have fought the Chandlers, who had ulteriors motives and knew it was Michael's word against theirs and their son's and that that would work to their advantage?

[Kittylady]

Originally Posted by Elisa

I’m a fan of MJ’s music, but I’m pretty neutral on him otherwise. I don’t know what Michael did or didn’t do with kids – I wasn’t there. And while, yes, paying off the kid probably left the impression he was guilty, to be fair, the same argument could be made that the parents accepted the offer instead of pursuing the case further. If they truly loved their kid and felt he’d been molested and victimized, they should have been more concerned with going to the end and taking him down. Personally, that would have meant a helluva lot more to me than becoming an instant millionaire at the expense of my son, but different strokes for different folks. I’m motivated by principle and righting a wrong; not money and greed.

Payoffs don’t necessarily signal guilt for me. Scumbags try to extort money from innocent, wealthy people all of the time. When someone can make any accusation about you and threaten to ruin you if you don’t pay up, you often settle because you have a lot more to lose than the scumbag does. How could Michael possibly have fought the Chandlers, who had ulteriors motives and knew it was Michael's word against theirs and their son's and that that would work to their advantage?

Then again, maybe they figured that it was better, considering all the death threats and other shit going on, that they took the money and didn't see their child raped all over again by the media and on the witness stand by the best and slickest and dirtiest lawyers that money and stardom could buy.

[mistify]

Originally Posted by Elisa

I’m a fan of MJ’s music, but I’m pretty neutral on him otherwise. I don’t know what Michael did or didn’t do with kids – I wasn’t there. And while, yes, paying off the kid probably left the impression he was guilty, the same argument could be made that the parents accepted the offer instead of pursuing the case further. If they truly loved their kid and felt he’d been molested and victimized, they should have been more concerned with going to the end and taking him down. Personally, that would have meant a helluva lot more to me than becoming an instant millionaire out of the deal, but different strokes for different folks. I’m motivated by principle and righting a wrong; not money and greed.

Payoffs don’t necessarily signal guilt for me. Scumbags try to extort money from innocent, wealthy people all of the time. When someone can make any accusation about you and threaten to ruin you if you don’t pay up, you often settle because you have a lot more to lose than the scumbag does. How could Michael possibly have fought the Chandlers, who had ulteriors motives and knew it was Michael's word against theirs and their son's and that that would work to their advantage?

While I agree with EVERYTHING in blue, come on MJ did some really weird things with and around kids.. We have all heard the stories now of them playing in strip clubs when he was very little and I would not doubt JOE would LITERALLY pimp them out if he would make a buck off it. This GUY was not innocent like a child, bullshit. He seems to me very calculating about things. I bet he was a card carrying member of friggin MANBLA.

Sorry, venting.

[buttmunch]

Originally Posted by twitchy2.0

[Elisa]

Originally Posted by angelais
TMZ has posted that Debbie Rowe is going after custody of the two older kids and is willing to have DNA test to prove she is the mother.

She is also seeking a restraining order to keep Papa Joe away from the kids. (That actually is a good idea.)

This woman flat out said in several interviews that she doesn’t want anything to do with the kids. She said it so coldly that I can’t possibly imagine she’s had a change of heart over the course of several years with zero interaction. She simply stirring up shit. She has nothing to offer the kids. She’s admitted to loving her horses and dogs more than (apparently) her own flesh and blood so what does that tell ya? She's majorly pissed now that she's been 'intentionally' ommitted from the will.

Originally Posted by Kittylady

Then again, maybe they figured that it was better, considering all the death threats and other shit going on, that they took the money and didn't see their child raped all over again by the media and on the witness stand by the best and slickest and dirtiest lawyers that money and stardom could buy.

I don’t know. I read the transcript from the 'private' tape recording of Jordan’s father.

On July 2, 1993, in a private telephone conversation, Chandler was tape recorded as saying, There was no reason why he [Jackson] had to stop calling me...I picked the nastiest son of a bitch I could find [Evan Chandler's lawyer, Barry Rothman], all he wants to do is get this out in the public as fast as he can, as big as he can and humiliate as many people as he can. He's nasty, he's mean, he's smart and he's hungry for publicity. Everything's going to a certain plan that isn't just mine. Once I make that phone call, this guy is going to destroy everybody in sight in any devious, nasty, cruel way that he can do it. I've given him full authority to do that. Jackson is an evil guy, he is worse than that and I have the evidence to prove it. If I go through with this, I win big-time. There's no way I lose. I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever...Michael's career will be over. [2]

In the same conversation, when asked how this would affect his son, Chandler replied, "That's irrelevant to me...It will be a massacre if I don't get what I want. It's going to be bigger than all us put together...This man [Jackson] is going to be humiliated beyond belief...He will not sell one more record". [2] The recorded conversation was a critical aspect of Jackson's defense against the upcoming allegation made against him. He and his supporters argue that he was the victim of a jealous father whose only goal was to extort money from the singer. [2]

Wapedia - Wiki: 1993 child sexual abuse accusations against Michael Jackson.

The man was almost giddy about how much money he was going to get out of the deal and how if he didn’t, we all ain’t seen nothin’ yet. I can’t listen to that and believe this father had his son’s interests at heart more than his own. I doubt any responsible parent could. Evan Chandler’s motives were purely monetary and the fact that his son is now estranged from both of his parents tells me that he probably got raped (figuratively) by them too.

Originally Posted by mistify

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While I agree with EVERYTHING in blue, come on MJ did some really weird things with and around kids.. We have all heard the stories now of them playing in strip clubs when he was very little and I would not doubt JOE would LITERALLY pimp them out if he would make a buck off it. This GUY was not innocent like a child, bullshit. He seems to me very calculating about things. I bet he was a card carrying member of friggin MANBLA.
Sorry, venting.

I’m aware of the additional details (sharing his bed with boys etc) and, of course I don't condone any of it. I’m just playing devil’s advocate.

[kingcap72]

Originally Posted by Palermo

I loved how Quincy said everybody had childhood traumas, I've been saying that from day one. The man was FIFTY freakin years old. Plus he had access to the top shrinks if he wanted to get help at any point.

Exactly. I get tired of hearing people use the excuse of 'I had a bad childhood' to excuse their bullshit. Build a fucking bridge and get over it already.

[shedevilang]

Originally Posted by kingcap72

Exactly. I get tired of hearing people use the excuse of 'I had a bad childhood' to excuse their bullshit. Build a fucking bridge and get over it already.

Amen and Hallelujah preach on, sorry I've got an ex-sis-in-law who pulls the bad childhood card who's driving me nuts I hate that damn excuse

[A*O]

I think Debbie Rowe is the bio mother despite her reported denials. As usual it's all about the $$$$$

[twitchy2.0]

Originally Posted by Elisa

wapedia - Wiki: 1993 child sexual abuse accusations against Michael Jackson.

What the hell is wapedia?

Have you noticed that the transcript has no source?

I can't believe people believe this shit.

[MrsMarsters]

She wants the kids now..that money is involved..what a bitch. Does anyone really want the kids besides Jackson's mother?

[shedevilang]

Originally Posted by twitchy2.0

What the hell is wapedia?

Have you noticed that the transcript has no source?

I can't believe people believe this shit.

HOw Dare you DOUBT the truth or some such bullshit manifesto type comment

[twitchy2.0]

Need to find out where to download this sucker: Michael Jackson's Boys (2005) (TV)

[lurkur]

Originally Posted by twitchy2.0

If the nose got any smaller:

Too dark.