Michael Jackson dies at age 50 from cardiac arrest

[olivia]

"You still don't understand. He wasn't being prosecuted, he was being sued [by the parents].

There wasn't anything he could do to indefinitely 'clear his name'."

Bullshit! There were a zillion things he could do besides paying off the kid. MJ had a fortune to spend on lawyers, PIs and PR. He could have launched a media campaign like no other to annihilate the Chandlers before the first civil hearing over motions.

Everyday people fight charges like this. MJ had the resources for the best money can buy.

You say "clear his name?" Well, by the sickening displays of collective sobbing over his death, MJ could do no wrong. His fans are a rabid lot intent on keeping all things MJ pure and innocent. Even with this degree of hysterical and retarded public support, MJ paid off the kid.

You need to watch the documentary Capturing the Friedmans. A lawyer makes a very good point that false allegations of child sexual abuse are fought very hard. It doesn't matter if it leads to bankrupcy. It doesn't matter the humiliation of open court or mud slinging. An innocent client, in civil or criminal court, fights like hell against false accusations. In this society, being labeled a child molester is too damning. An innocent client will not accept a plea or pay off a suit.

MJ chose to pay.

[olivia]

Originally Posted by Shinola

Yeah. MJ was a great dancer, but I can't say he was better than Bill Bailey or Bob Fosse.

I didn't figure the Moonwalk was something he invented anyway.

All his moves were derived from 3 basic steps. The rest were little spastic fits exactly like the yips, squeals, hoots and fairy giggles that littered his vocal work. I find his dance work twitchy and neurotic.

He was no Bob Fosse or Skeetor Rabbit.

[NicoleWasHere]

Originally Posted by bychance

Oh I'm sorry, posting legal documents that prove you wrong is clearly biased

Facts are facts.

Prove to me how they prove me wrong. Show me which facts are actual facts, and which ones weren't 'facts' thrown in by Jackson's defense that made him look ONE-HUNDRED PERCENT innocent. Or, are you just going to ignore this post, thinking I'm just another biased, white idiot, and not show me anything?

[buttmunch]

You still don't understand. He wasn't being prosecuted, he was being sued [by the parents].

There wasn't anything he could do to indefinitely 'clear his name'

Actually, police declined to continue with the case AT THAT TIME directly due to the payoff. The case remained open, but inactive right through 2003. Californian law was subsequently modified, to prevent minors having a financial incentive not to testify in a criminal lawsuit.

It should also be noted that Lisa Marie Presley filed for divorce right after Jackson flew to Paris with two teenaged boys in tow.

Anyhoo....

The uncle of the boy who accused MICHAEL JACKSON's of sexually abusing him in 1993 is adamant his family's decision to abandon their legal battle in favour of an out-of-court cash payment was motivated by fear rather than greed.

RAYMOND CHANDLER claims his nephew JORDY CHANDLER received a series of terrifying death threats ever since the allegations were made public and he was petrified of what would happen if he went to the witness box to testify against the THRILLER superstar.

But now Jackson has been accused of molesting a teen cancer sufferer, Raymond Chandler has published a book - IN ALL THAT GLITTERS: THE CRIME AND THE COVER-UP - to tell his side of the story.

He says, "One of the myths is that Jordy took the money and ran, that he refused to testify against Jackson after receiving a civil settlement. But what happened was that because Jackson was who he was, the police and district attorney dragged their feet about bringing charges.

"In the meantime, Jordy and his family were receiving death threats. Jordy felt too scared to carry on. It wasn't about money; it was the fear factor."

Chandler also regrets abandoning the legal battle, adding, "If the case had gone ahead, I believe Jackson may well have been locked up 10 years ago. We would not face the situation we do now." http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlf...ghting%20jacko.

Look at it this way: the insurance company would only pay if it was liable. So, if MJ wwas innocent, the insurance company would have forced the matter to court so they wouldn't have to pay.
As it stands, they paid, so they must have reviewed all the evidence and decided they were liable.

So, you are either stuck with the fact that insurance paid because MJ was guilty, or he paid off Jordy because he was guilty.

Take your pick.


Here is an interesting statement analysis of things he said and did over the years. It's too long to print here but click away and read it. Very interesting indeed.
The crux of the matter is that he's never actually denied molestation.

Michael Jackson Child Molestation Charges

[buttmunch]

Another voice of reason is heard. Interesting bit in the middle:

YOU'D have thought by the media lovefest that the pope had died a tragic death after a lifetime of caring for lepers.

But, no, it was the death of Michael Jackson, a drug-addled, creepy-beyond-words, accused pedophile who literally bought his children with the help of two brood mares and, apparently, his dermatologist -- a group of amoral savages who had no problem giving their kids to a man who looked like the Phantom of the Opera and who behaved like a depraved worm.

You can call it "adoption," but I call it child-trafficking.


OK, I said it -- and it's about time somebody had the nerve to say what millions of people must feel and believe about the once-talented black man who turned himself into a white woman before turning himself into a monster.

But you'd never know any of that if you'd listened for the past week to the endless prattle from the sickening, fawning media and all those Hollywood music phonies who were crying crocodile tears over someone they'd mostly avoided like, well, a pedophile.

Even the president of the United States felt compelled to issue a statement. Are you kidding me?

I say all this not just as some casual bystander to the Michael Jackson freak show -- though I was a Jacko freak back in 1993, when I was as in awe of him as the rest of the world. But then one day, a friend came to see me at my office at another newspaper and everything changed.

"My cousin's boy's been hijacked by Michael Jackson," he said. He pulled out two photos of the boy, Jordie Chandler, with Jackson. They were dressed alike -- in fedoras, little black suits, each wearing one freaking glove. They were on a roller-coaster -- in Europe.

Jordie's mother had remarried, and his stepfather had introduced her to Jackson. Within weeks, the sleepovers among Jackson and her gorgeous 13-year-old son and 5-year-old daughter began. The boy broke down and told his father that he'd been molested at Jackson's playground, Neverland Ranch, and in Europe.

The dad, a dentist-to-the-stars and screenwriter, contacted authorities, and shortly thereafter was jumped and beaten bloody in a garage. His home was broken into, and thugs menaced patients in his waiting room. The authorities told him it might be best if he and his son disappeared for a while. They settled for more than $20 million. The father took the boy underground, and they got plastic surgery to disguise themselves for safety. Dental practice destroyed, screenwriting career over, family in tatters.

Jackson walked free -- or as free as a tortured soul can be -- to repeat over and over again his hideous tricks with children at Neverland, a place straight out of "Hansel and Gretel."

It is in this very spot where his family wanted to put on their grotesque public display of his sadly emaciated, needle-marked body, reportedly to be dressed "like a prince," as though he has become one of the garish statues upon which he loved to drop millions in Las Vegas hotel tchotchke shops. Another circus of the macabre to add to the horror that became Michael Jackson's life.

This is the kind of madness that's followed Jackson's death -- everyone is acting as though the world has lost one of its greatest men.

The King of Pop was a great entertainer -- innovative beyond anyone the world had ever seen -- but he turned into a disgustingly depraved man who hung an infant off a balcony and forced his kids to walk around with masks, veils, towels and even nets over their faces.

Great men don't pretend to be childlike to disguise their depravities. Shameful.

The king is dead, and I for one am not crying.7022009/news/columnists/shed_no_tears_for_this_twisted_sicko_177187.htm" target="_blank">SHED NO TEARS FOR THIS TWISTED SICKO - New York Post

[RevellingInSane]

It's die hard, blind as bat fans who allow celebrities to trample the justice system.

Jackson paid off someone because the allegations were untrue? That doesn't even make sense. Maybe I fall on the side of the minority, but if some bastard accuses me of something I didn't do, that fucker is only getting a court battle and, if it is as sickening as the charged leveled against MJ, a hand to hand combat lesson.

Jackson isn't the saint his devoted fantards are painting him out to be and if those on his list of playmates indicate anything, its a problem. How many of them turned into alcohol and drug addicted young men?

[cmmdee]

Originally Posted by twitchy2.0

K.O.S.: Actually, MJ is more famous then Jesus. Jesus is from Christianity and not everyone in the world are Christians.

Also, these religious characters from scripture have never been documented as ever having existed, so MJ outranks any religious character when it comes to being known.

I am sure if you go to some tribal cultures in Africa or South America you will find people who never heard of Jesus, but know very well who Michael Jackson is. I have read about people visiting such tribes and playing MJ's music and the villagers knew who it was. They however had not heard of Jesus.
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hahahahahahahahaha rofl *wipes tears*

: rofl2:

Originally Posted by celeb_2006

People may have been moon walking before, but let's face it, no one has done it like MJ. After all, the automobile may have been invented in the U.S., but other countries have taken it to another level. MJ is the KING.

I agree.

[Wiseguy]

Quote:
Originally Posted by twitchy2.0
K.O.S.: Actually, MJ is more famous then Jesus. Jesus is from Christianity and not everyone in the world are Christians.

Also, these religious characters from scripture have never been documented as ever having existed, so MJ outranks any religious character when it comes to being known.

I am sure if you go to some tribal cultures in Africa or South America you will find people who never heard of Jesus, but know very well who Michael Jackson is. I have read about people visiting such tribes and playing MJ's music and the villagers knew who it was. They however had not heard of Jesus.
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hahahahahahahahaha rofl *wipes tears*

: rofl2:

I just about fell off my chair laughing at that one too!! The guy was a talented singer, okay, but suddenly he's more famous than Christ!!

[cmmdee]

^ My favorite is "Jesus is from Christianity"... you know like, Jesus is from the Bronx or Singapore.

[Alleycat]

Originally Posted by buttmunch

Actually, police declined to continue with the case AT THAT TIME directly due to the payoff. The case remained open, but inactive right through 2003. Californian law was subsequently modified, to prevent minors having a financial incentive not to testify in a criminal lawsuit.

It should also be noted that Lisa Marie Presley filed for divorce right after Jackson flew to Paris with two teenaged boys in tow.

I had no idea about this. So after a massive case in which he's accused of kiddy fiddling, he flies to Europe with two kids?

Dear God. He was either totally divorced from reality or just didn't care, thinking his millions could take care of it.

[cmmdee]

I don't and will never understand why Jordy Chandler's family accepted money instead of prosecuting Jackson. That makes no sense to me unles all they wanted was money.
What person wouldn't want to see the person who molested their child in jail????!!!
They opted for a civil instead of criminal case and that I will never wrap my head around.

[sluce]

I am going to a cocktail party tonight because of Michael's death. We are not mourning him or celebrating his life. We are gathering to raise donations for a local non profit where they provide free and low cost therapy for children who have been sexually abused. The organizer sent an email asking us to make this a night to remember all the innocent children who have been victimized by the adults they trusted. I can just imagine what would happen if groups nationwide stated to organize events like this. The jackotards would flip out.

[twitchy2.0]

That is awesome sluce!

Originally Posted by cmmdee

I don't and will never understand why Jordy Chandler's family accepted money instead of prosecuting Jackson. That makes no sense to me unles all they wanted was money.
What person wouldn't want to see the person who molested their child in jail????!!!
They opted for a civil instead of criminal case and that I will never wrap my head around.

If the dad is getting beaten up and the family is getting death threats, perhaps safety was more important than justice at that point.

[cmmdee]

Perhaps but for me personally I wouldn't give a fuck.
If someone molested a child of mine, you better believe I'd either try to kill them myself to make sure they go to fucking jail.

No amount of money would make me go into hiding.

That's just me though.

[AliceInWonderland]

now that he's dead, who can we make so much fun of?!