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    I think it depends on the reason WHY one commits suicide....
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    I agree. Most people who choose to end their lives have lost the ability to grip the big picture so their choice is not brave or courageous IMO. However, I do believe it is courageous and brave when one chooses to end their lives because they have a terminal illness. That is a well thought out plan in most cases.
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    thank you sluce I was about to think how to write that down. my mother was in that position and I can tell you that this is a very very courageous decision to do so. even if you know that this is the most dignified way to go in that situation it's beyond imagination to have to do this decision. I think that is why I might be more sensitive about suicide in general than other people, I don't know. But generally, it is a decision to do for yourself, and only for yourself. No right to judge, nobody lived your life but you. The only thing I really think it's not okay is to involve other people like jumping in front of a train. Several people I know were bystanders once and that's nothing you'll ever forget. And also, the train operator has nothing to do with your decision - don't ruin his life, too.
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    I don't think "brave" is the right word either, but I guess the point is, it goes against the basic instinct of any species for survival and self-preservation. To overcome that takes a resolve and determination that most people don't understand. Maybe the author just needed to try to find some peace about his own father's death. I guess it's easier to think that person was brave by taking charge of their own destiny than to think they were crazy. If that makes sense.
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    I agree suicide is not really brave, it's basically the decision to end physical or psychological pain instead of enduring it until natural death. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, but I wouldn't call it brave. However, in the case of attempted suicide because of treatable mental issues/imbalances/depression, after treatment survivors usually find life to be worth living again and are thankful they did not succeed at killing themselves. Of course, treatment does not work in all cases and the bottom line is that suicide, for whatever reason, is a personal decision and a personal right. But it's also terribly cruel to those left behind.
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    For people that have no hope of living and nothing but pain and horror ahead,it is brave and understandable. We treat dogs better than people.
    Some people with terrible addictions,demons thay can no longer fight,death must be peace at last.
    For people with deep depressions that doctors cannot reach, it must be a release from torture.
    But over money? This woman had solidly rich clients and really close friends who would have pitched in with glee had she only asked. She leaves behind so many devoted and rich people. If she did ask and they all said no,she must have had other backers. Surely there was some other way out.
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    I agree and therefore it wasn't just about money, was it? It must have been her all-round situation which we will probably never know.
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    I ve read somewhere that Mick was supporting her business financially very often..In most pictures she is clinging on to him for dear life,i think she had lots of issues,poor soul..Hard on Mick,though,never mind the cheating.
    as for suicide,when and if you decide to do it,you are past caring..You dont even care about your own self,how can you care about others..
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    There are reports that she struggled with depression and had even self harmed as recent as last week. There were greater issues at play beyond the money. In fact, the money situation is probably a result of mental health issues, not bad business.
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    I look at suicide a bit differently. I do view it as something that can be courageous and takes some balls/bravery. I think it says a lot to never want to wake up again, never want to see your loved ones again, never want to do anything ever again. The pain of depression and mental illness can be as bad as any physical pain someone is going through.
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    EXCLUSIVE: ‘He’s not really well. He’s not really here,’ says Rolling Stone Charlie Watts amid fears for Jagger's health as last picture emerges of singer and L’Wren Scott a month before designer’s suicide
    Jagger has not slept following death of L'Wren Scott
    Daughters Georgia May and Elizabeth have flown to Perth to be with him
    Jagger learned about her death while at dinner in Perth on Monday but made sure to thank the waiter and apologize for leaving early
    He released a note about girlfriend's suicide on his website yesterday
    'We spent many wonderful years together,' he said of partner of 13 years
    Rolling Stones postpone Australia and New Zealand shows on their $93million worldwide tour
    Scott, 49, was found dead Monday morning in her Manhattan apartment
    She was reportedly planning to announce the closure of her business
    Scott was nearly $6million in debt from her floundering fashion line
    Several sources say Jagger was supporting her financially
    By SARA MALM and MEGHAN KENEALLY and CANDACE SUTTON


    PUBLISHED: 09:21, 19 March 2014 | UPDATED: 19:58, 19 March 2014

    One of Mick Jagger's Rolling Stones bandmates today told how the 70-year-old singer is in poor health following the death of his long-term partner L'Wren Scott.


    Stones drummer Charlie Watts told the MailOnline that Jagger had been left dazed and unwell following the fashion designer's apparent suicide on Monday.


    'He's holding up. He's okay,' Watts shrugged, but then added: 'He's not really well. He's not really here. It was such a shock.'


    A new report also reveals that Jagger learned of the death while at a Perth restaurant and though he was clearly shocked, he took the time to personally thank a waiter before leaving.

    The drummer's comments came as the last pictures emerged of Jagger and Ms Scott together near the singer's home in Chelsea, West London.

    The pictures were taken just a month before the fashion designer's apparent suicide, as she and Jagger spent a month together at his London home

    The pictures, taken just a month before she was found dead, show the couple wandering together through Chelsea Harbour on the banks of the Thames.

    They had been spending a month together in the capital following a festive break in Mustique.

    He learned of the tragic news that his girlfriend of 13 years committed suicide while having dinner Monday at Coco's, a restaurant in Perth ahead of the band's scheduled concert which has now been indefinitely postponed after the death of L'Wren Scott

    'He’d been there about an hour- he had a seafood entrée and a main meal of local fish - and then somebody from his entourage came in,' manager Denise Zammit told Closer Magazine.


    'Before that he was talking to our waiter who is also English and he was having a great time with him. They were talking about England and where he’d been in Perth and all the things he’d been doing.


    'Before he left the restaurant he shook the waiter’s hand and said, "I’m sorry I have to leave" and he said he’d had a great night. He said he had to leave straight away.'


    The 70-year-old rock singer has not slept since and is said to be so grief-stricken that he can barely speak.

    Georgia May and her sister Elizabeth Jagger have allegedly both flown to Perth to support their father at this difficult time


    His fellow Rolling Stones have joined Jagger's family in supporting him through his grief. Guitarist Ronnie Wood said: 'This is such terrible news and right now the important thing is that we are all pulling together to offer Mick our support.'


    His sentiments were echoed by Watts who earlier said the band are 'completely shocked' by the tragic news but 'have to do what is right in these sad circumstances.'


    Watts' latest comments to MailOnline came as he left a family meal at a restaurant in Perth.


    He spoke before stepping into a chauffeur driven Audi which took him back to thw Hyatt Regency Hotel from which the Stones and their entourage are expected to depart tomorrow for the U.S.


    Members of the Stones entourage drinking in the Hyatt Regency bar claimed they did not know whether they were leaving Australia on Thursday, although former Rolling Stone member Mick Taylor said he was staying a little longer.

    Was L'Wren Scott due to shut down her business today? Fashion critic and longtime friend Cathy Horyn opens up about her designer friend and how her inexplicable' death makes her angry.

    They HADN'T split - but L'Wren Scott's last troubled months were spent alone as she worked and Mick toured.

    Speaking of his colleague and friend Mick, Keith Richards said: 'No-one saw this coming. Mick’s always been my soul brother and we love him. We’re all feeling for the man.'


    Earlier today, a report claimed that 49-year-old fashion designer L'Wren was planning to announce the closure of her business today.


    An article in the New York Times claimed that Ms Scott took her own life just two days before she was planning to go public with the news that her fashion label was to be discontinued.


    Former Times fashion writer Cathy Horyn, a friend of Scott's, wrote in an essay posted on the paper's website that the designer was closing her business, apparently due to financial troubles.


    Ms Horyn wrote that she had learned of that development after Scott's death - and did not say from whom.


    Mick's two daughters by Jerry Hall, Elizabeth, 30 and Georgia May, 22, are said to have arrived in Perth, Australia to be by their father's side.


    Jagger's reaction to L'Wren's death has been so extreme that the Rolling Stones entourage, which includes several medical professionals, is keeping him under close observation at the Hyatt hotel in Perth.


    A source close to the rocker says friends have never seen him in such despair.


    'He didn't sleep after being told the news. How could you?,' the friend told the Mirror.


    'Of course there is nothing he could have done, but that doesn't stop him feeling utterly tormented by the turn of events.'


    With the Hyatt Regency surrounded by cameras since news emerged of L'Wren Scott's death, Jagger was reportedly 'smuggled' from the premises for several hours of quiet reflection on Tuesday at North Cottesloe beach and a nearby island, where he had a swim.


    In the afternoon he then allegedly drove to the airport to collect his daughter Elizabeth.


    While it appeared the Rolling Stones and their large entourage were on the move this afternoon to leave Australia, reports are now saying they will leave tomorrow as their jet is going through pre-flight checks on the tarmac at Perth airport.


    Yesterday Jagger offered a touching tribute to his longtime love, fashion designer L'Wren Scott, Tuesday as the Rolling Stones announced their Australia and New Zealand tour has been cancelled.


    'I am still struggling to understand how my lover and best friend could end her life in this tragic way,' the Rolling Stones frontman wrote on his website in a heartbreaking post titled 'L'Wren'.


    'We spent many wonderful years together and had made a great life for ourselves.


    'She had great presence and her talent was much admired, not least by me.


    'I have been touched by the tributes that people have paid to her, and also the personal messages of support that I have received.


    'I will never forget her,' he wrote before signing off, 'Mick.'


    The online message came almost 24 hours after news broke that his partner of nearly 13 years killed herself in her Manhattan apartment.


    Another source today told The Mirror that Jagger, who is worth around £200m, has 'always supported L'Wren financially up to the hilt'.


    The friend added: ‘He knew she wasn’t a great businesswoman, but he had no idea about the extent of the debts. But he always supported her, financially and in other ways.’


    In October last year, it appeared as though L'Wren was trying to stem the financial chaos after she appointed her adopted brother, Randall Ivan Bambrough - who still lives in her home state of Utah - as a director to her company.


    At the same time as Scott pulled out of London Fashion Week, she went quiet on the internet, no longer posting pictures on the photo-sharing website Instagram.


    Jo Wood, the former wife of Rolling Stones guitarist Ronnie, said Jagger was 'absolutely devastated.'


    Asked on CNN what might have sparked the suicide, she said: 'If anything the financial thing might have been the trigger for her, because she was such a proud woman that I think to face that, well maybe that was the trigger.


    'I don't actually know, I'm surprised as much as everyone else.'


    She added: 'They had a great relationship. You wouldn't stay with someone for 13 years if it's not good.


    'I always thought they were very happy, I never saw any kind of argument or anything like that, she was always very supportive of him.'


    Jagger was in Perth with his bandmates when Scott's body was found in Chelsea on Monday morning. On Tuesday, they announced that they have 'postponed' seven shows of the 'On Fire' tour until an undetermined date because of her death.


    The tour kicked off in Abu Dhabi on February 21 and they had completed seven of the 17 scheduled concerts by Scott's death.

    For now, the band's website says that they have postponed only the shows in Australia and New Zealand- which includes seven shows and would carry them through to April.


    They have not mentioned any changes to the final three shows which begin in June- one at the Pinkpop festival in the Netherlands, one in Rome's Circus Maximus and the final show at a festival in Belgium.


    'Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Charlie Watts and Ronnie Wood wish to thank all of their fans for their support at this difficult time and hope that they will fully understand the reason for this announcement,' the band's site reads.


    The exact figures for how much the postponement will cost the band are clearly unavailable, but if their last leg of their last tour is used as a guide, it would suggest that they stand to lose more than $38.5million.


    The three nights towards the end of their '50 & Counting' tour last year were played in a sold out stadium in Chicago in June. Billboard reports that they made an average of $5,508,205-per-night from those shows.


    Clearly the prices, currencies and venue capacities differ with each concert and country that they were scheduled to play, but if the estimates from the Chicago concerts held true, the seven concerts that were just postponed would have generated the band $38,557,435.


    Using the same logic, the '14 On Fire' tour was expected to make more than $93million before the postponement.


    'The Rolling Stones are planning to reschedule these postponed shows at a later date,' their site reports.


    In an interview with the New York Daily News, former housekeeper Lupe Montufar said she was unable to explain the designer's death, and said she 'always dreamed about having fame, fortune and money'.


    She said: 'She would tell me she wanted to get married and have a family, but she didn’t want to get her hopes up or say it out loud to Mick. She didn’t want to pressure him.'


    'She knew there were other women, but she accepted it to be with him.'


    There was no immediate suspicion of foul play in the tragic death though the Medical Examiner has not yet released the formal report. Police said she had left no note.


    A New York City Police Department spokesman said a 49-year-old female was found unconscious on Monday at 10.05am.


    The spokesman said: 'She was pronounced dead on arrival by the emergency medical services. The investigation is ongoing. We are awaiting medical examiners to determine the cause of death.'


    The coroner left the building with her body at 2.45pm and police were also seen taking her computer out of the building, likely for further investigation.


    Family spokesman Pierre Rugier confirmed the 'tragic death' without giving any further details.


    'At this devastating time for Ms Scott's family and friends we request that their privacy be respected,' he said in a statement.



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    I hope he lives through this. He doesn't often hit a wall that money won't move. This is it for him.
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    Very sad. Seems he had found someone to spend the rest of his life with. She seemed like a very tortured soul.RIP.

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    I didn't realize they were together for so long. 13 years is a long time.

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    first off this is very sad.

    is l'wren pronounced lauren?

    how are all the rolling stones still alive (except for brian... did they sacrifice him to satan to live forever? wtf).

    i didn't even know about this relationship so i'm not totally upset and shocked. i thought he was getting models knocked up, or was that 10 years ago.

    i've never thought of killing myself, but i can understand how people would rather just be silent and gone than have to suffer another day of life. if only they could hold on and wait for a change. i had friends kill themselves when i was a teen, and i think of them often and how i wish i could have helped them, and what they would be today had they lived.
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