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    Those standard sizes depress me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twitchy2.0 View Post
    Just for interest, standard sizes from my 1961 sewing book:

    SIZE. 10. 12. 14. 16. 18. 20

    bust. 31. 32. 34. 36. 38. 40
    waist. 24. 25. 26. 28. 30. 32
    hip. 33. 34. 36. 38. 40. 42



    SIZE. 40. 42. 44. 46. 48. 50

    bust. 42. 44. 46. 48. 50. 52
    waist. 34. 36. 38.5 41 43.5 46
    hip. 44. 46. 48. 50. 52. 54

    sorry, can't get the little bastards to line up
    I'm a 14/16!
    36/28-30/36

    Hey now!
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    i like how it just jumps from size 20 to size 40. like way to make you feel like a cow!!!!

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    I sew and even current patterns don't have vanity sizing. It is very, very depressing. I think, "Hey, that can't be right!"

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    My grandmother used to make clothes for me and I was a pattern size 12 in junior high. In high school I wore a 2 (the smallest size back then) at the Limited (now Express).

    PS. I always hated that I had to wear clothes my grandmother made. It was embarrassing.

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    wrt to Marilyn, I think some people might mistake the fact that she's less toned than the typical Hollywood person for bigness. For example, I don't think having a 6-pack was considered desirable for a female back then (nor do I really think it is now).
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    Quote Originally Posted by travelbug View Post
    My grandmother used to make clothes for me and I was a pattern size 12 in junior high. In high school I wore a 2 (the smallest size back then) at the Limited (now Express).

    PS. I always hated that I had to wear clothes my grandmother made. It was embarrassing.
    Just out of genuine curiosity why did you find it embarrassing? My grandmother sewed and knitted lots and lots of things for me as a kid and as I got older and she was no longer with us most of what I had came from charity shops and it honestly never bothered me. Then again if you could see me now you'd probably understand why - clothes have never really been a big thing for me. I probably couldn't tell the different between Chanel and cheap and cheerful
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kittylady View Post
    Just out of genuine curiosity why did you find it embarrassing? My grandmother sewed and knitted lots and lots of things for me as a kid and as I got older and she was no longer with us most of what I had came from charity shops and it honestly never bothered me. Then again if you could see me now you'd probably understand why - clothes have never really been a big thing for me. I probably couldn't tell the different between Chanel and cheap and cheerful
    It was OK when I was little (though I look back at some photos in the polyester pant suits she made me that were truly awful), but when I got older it was a combination of things.

    My parents, though they had plenty of money, bought some of my clothes at Sears. My grandmother's sister loved to shop at yard sales and always bought me clothes there, and my grandmother sewed some of them too. This went on through middle school. My great aunt's yard sales were in the same neighborhoods that the wealthier kids I went to school with lived. I always felt like some orphan wearing hand-me-down or handmade clothes.

    I never had any say in what they bought for me. They didn't take me shopping to pick out clothes.

    And maybe not so bad except, not my mother, grandmother, or great aunt had any sense of current style for teen girls. For instance, my grandmother was always trying to get me to wear a girdle! I was a teen in the 80's and it was all about labels: Izod shirts, Nike shoes, Jordache or Calvin Klein jeans.

    So in small ways I kind of stuck out, not only because I didn't have the labels, but I wasn't remotely in style sometimes. If I was sometimes, it was accidental, because I had a a sweater from the Sears catalog or something. In middle school it was particularly painful because my best friend at the time was really stylish and pretty and her parents had even sent her to modeling classes.

    When I turned 16 I got a job and bought all my own clothes from then on.

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    Aw, I can sort of identify. My mom would buy me stuff from thrift stores and garage sales until I was in college. By then, I was less snotty about fashion (not that I ever had real style either) and more willing to take some t-shirts or something.

    I eventually got really attached to a couple of things. One was a t-shirt that almost looked like a hand drawn craft project: it was a plain white tee with a small centered picture of some kind of bunny, like the velveteen rabbit. It almost seemed like a child's shirt but it was an adult size. I got sentimental that she still thought of me like that, made me feel like I'd always be her little girl.

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    i was kinda lucky, my mom worked in ladies wear at a major dept. store (not sears) and i used to help her put stock out after school so i would get paid in clothes. plus i was a major shoplifter so i always had lots of makeup and panties too. i was such a bad kid, oy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clubber Lang View Post
    Absolutely, it blows my mind that that gorgeous woman is considered "plus size," she looks almost the same size as Marilyn Monroe back in the day.
    Nonononononono!!!!!! Not this BS again!

    http://www.marilynmonroepages.com/facts/
    Studio Measurements: 37-23-36 (inches), 93.9 – 58.4 – 91.4 (centimeters)
    Dressmaker Measurements: 35-22-35 (inches), 88.9 – 55.8 – 88.9 (centimeters)
    Hair: Natural Brown, dyed Blonde
    Eyes: Blue
    Height: 5 feet, 5 inches, 166.62 (centimeters)
    Weight: 118 pounds 53.5 kilograms
    Dress size:
    12
    Pant Size: 8
    Shoe Size: 7AA (US) 38-39 (European)
    Bra Size: 36D



    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    If I remember correctly, due to vanity sizing, marilyn's size 12 back then is something like a 2-4 right now. This article talks about it: Marilyn Monroe was Not Even Close to a Size 12-16
    Correct!
    Quote Originally Posted by NickiDrea View Post
    ^^^ Or maybe they're not trying to "justify" anything. Maybe they are just unaware of vanity sizing and the differences between sizes today and 50 years ago?
    Not just vanity sizing, clothe/dress sizes have been re-sized at least twice that I am aware of & I'm just an enthusiastic amateur.

    US standard clothing size - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Pattern sizes - DuBarry / Woolworth (1931-1955)
    5'3"–5'6" tall, average: bust (3" < hips), waist (9" < hips)
    Dimension/size 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 18 20 40
    Bust 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 36 38 40
    Waist 23 23.5 24 25 26 27 28 30 32 34
    Hip 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 39 41 43
    Misses’ sizes (PS 42-70)[2] (1971)
    5'2"–5'6" tall, average bust, average back
    Dimension/size 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 22
    Bust 31 32 33 35 36 38 40 42 44
    Waist 22 23 24 26 27 29 31 33 35
    Hip 33 34 35 37 38 40 42 44 46
    Back-waist length 14 15 15 15 15 16 16 16 16
    Misses’ sizes (ASTM D5585 95(R2001)) (1995, revised 2001)
    5'3" - 5'8" tall
    Dimension/size 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20
    Bust 32 33 34 35 36 37 39 40 42 44
    Waist 24 25 26 27 28 29 31 32 34 36
    Hip 34 35 36 37 38 40 41 43 45 47

    Quote Originally Posted by Sleuth View Post
    ^^ Just read that article. I found it really interesting that they had such tiny waists but never looked gaunt or overly skinny.. (with the exception of Vera Ellen and Audrey).
    Don't forget that they had excellent under garments.
    Also - I discovered that during rationing the Govt recommended calorie intake was similar to todays (if not slightly more for men), but it was all "good" so there were few empty calorie foods (sugar, crisps, etc). So the body was using what it was intaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NickiDrea View Post
    Those standard sizes depress me.
    Ah! But, remember that they were measured on white (sub-)urban women (from NJ?) just after the depression...
    A short history of U.S. white women's measurements used for patternmaking (analog me)


    Quote Originally Posted by Annika View Post
    i like how it just jumps from size 20 to size 40. like way to make you feel like a cow!!!!
    Its because the previous measurement system was based on bust size, and although Twitchy's figures didn't show it (because of how they copied) a size "40' is a 40 inch bust.
    You can see it better here:-
    Dimension/size 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 18 20 40
    Bust 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 36 38 40
    Waist 23 23.5 24 25 26 27 28 30 32 34
    Hip 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 39 41 43


    Quote Originally Posted by llamamama View Post
    I sew and even current patterns don't have vanity sizing. It is very, very depressing. I think, "Hey, that can't be right!"
    Patterns use (old - see the 1971 size chart above) UK sizes....
    You need this!!! http://www.burdastyle.com/pdf/burdas...intyourown.pdf

    Quote Originally Posted by Kittylady View Post
    Just out of genuine curiosity why did you find it embarrassing? My grandmother sewed and knitted lots and lots of things for me as a kid and as I got older and she was no longer with us most of what I had came from charity shops and it honestly never bothered me. Then again if you could see me now you'd probably understand why - clothes have never really been a big thing for me. I probably couldn't tell the different between Chanel and cheap and cheerful
    My mom made most/all of my clothes so I had exactly what I wanted, in a style I liked.



    Glad to see a retailer letting the consumer dictate what they want instead of the other way around.
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    This is one of my favorite pictures of Monroe.

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    I love it, too.

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    Like most women, Marilyn's size went up and down.

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    She was pregnant in that picture. It's to be expected.
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