Lawyer: Duane 'Dog' Chapman's son sold N-word tape for 'a lot of money' - Page 2

nycgirl · November 2nd, 2007, 10:58 AM

I am surprised how many people are defending him. As a white person, I can't pretend to understand what minorities must deal with or discrimination/race relations- but I can tell right from wrong. What Dog said was wrong.....he said he wanted to use the N word and didn't want to have to censor himself. Suggesting he uses it on a regular basis. I personally think the word shouldn't be used by anyone- black, white, hispanic, whatever.

darksithbunny · November 2nd, 2007, 11:10 AM

^^Well he will be paying for it for a loooong time. Damn. His son sold him out for a girl who will eventually drop his ass because the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

nycgirl · November 2nd, 2007, 11:45 AM

Don't get me wrong, of course the son sold him out and it wasn't right to do that- but Dog is at fault to. What he said was wrong.

kingcap72 · November 2nd, 2007, 12:24 PM

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^^Those things do matter to me, though. Context is everything. A black person can say the n-word -- and frankly, I hate the power we give to these words, that after all are JUST words -- and it is usually considered fine in that context. A white person could say it onstage in a part -- would that make them a racist? Doubtful. Yet they SAID it.

I subscribe to Lenny Bruce's theory that if you say the "bad" words often enough, they have no meaning and no power to harm. I am white, but I have been called plenty of names in my day, and spent a lot of years working in a male-dominated and pretty rough profession where I took a lot of abuse and suffered rampant discrimination based solely on my gender. It bothered me a lot at first but eventually I just ignored it and went about my business as best I could. Most of the overt stuff stopped, and a lot of the men became if not my friends, at least my colleagues on an equal level. Some are probably still sexist pigs, but that is their problem, not mine.

I realize that race discrimination is a very complex problem and I wouldn't begin to dissect it here, but I do believe after meeting literally thousands upon thousands of people over the years, that everybody is a little bit racist in their own way. It goes back to the way we are socialized. Most of us know that it is wrong and we take pains to change our attitudes and behaviors. Sometimes the racism is systemic and harder to identify and root out. I'm not saying that it is OK and that everyone should give into their baser instincts, but it is a simple fact of life.

I heard Dog say the same things you did but I also intuited a pretty strong indication that he didn't like her for other reasons as well. It seems a little strange to me that she would be desperate to tape him and ruin his career over this -- that sounds more like something his son wants for revenge/money and this was a convenient excuse. Duane isn't exactly a rocket scientist and he's not very well educated. Most bounty hunters aren't on the top rung of society. He's ignorant and insensitive and it shows.

Time will tell what this is really all about because I am sure this story is far from over. And if he turns out to be a genuine racist, I will be the first to call him out.

No offense, PB. But what are you talking about? Context? What context? He was having a conversation about how he didn't want his son dating some black woman so he could freely use the N-word. It doesn't matter if he disliked the girl for some other reason. The primary reason was the one that he made clear on the tape.

You're right, black people can use the N-word. We shouldn't use it, but we can. Just like women can use the C-word toward each other, white people can use certain racial slurs toward each other, and so on. If you're of a particular group and you use the words they don't carry the same meaning as when someone else outside the group says them.

And how did we jump from Dog The Bounty Hunter to Lenny Bruce? Not even the same thing. And the theory of 'if you listen to a word enough then it has no power' is a bunch of b.s. If that were true then the N-word, which has been said thousands of times, wouldn't still have the power it does 400-plus years after it's creation.

But going back to your theory of context, I was watching 'Curb Your Enthusiasm' on HBO the other night. They were using the N-word on that episode and I didn't get pissed or think they were racist because of the context. 'South Park' had an episode where they used the N-word a while back, and I didn't get pissed. Because in both cases it was entertainment that was trying to prove a point. The same can't be said for Duane, Michael Richards or Imus.

Words do have power in our society. That's life. Sometimes words shouldn't have the weight that we tend to give them but they do. And saying that Duane is ignorant and not a rocket scientist isn't an excuse. Because notice how he never used the N-word on his show, but wanted to freely use it when the cameras were off. He's smart enough to know the power of that word, so the theory doesn't fly.

And I agree that everybody has some level of prejudice in them. But how people choose to express it determines whether they're a racist. And constantly wanting to use a racial slur to refer to another group makes you a racist. And there's no getting around that fact.

louiswinthorpe111 · November 2nd, 2007, 12:26 PM

I just read on another website, that Tucker sold to tape for $15,000. I don't think $15,000 is a lot of money...

Elvira · November 2nd, 2007, 03:42 PM

So, Tucker is the Judas among them.

I agree that the tape is disgusting and inexcusable, but selling a story/tape of your parent to the tabloids is among one of the lowest things a person can do.

Tucker is an ex-con. I’ve heard he is lazy and doesn’t want to work. He appears on the show only occasionally.

Another son Christopher, who has never appeared on the show, also blabbed to the Enquirer. I’ve heard he held a grudge for not being asked to join the show.

It’s clear to me that their reason for selling their story/tape was pure greed for money. I believe the tape was a set up and edited for further shock value.
Shame on all three of them.

AliceInWonderland · November 2nd, 2007, 04:59 PM

well i dont think $15,000 is much but its more than the Dog would ever be able to leave his son afterall he does have 10 kids to split his money between and im sure beth's beauty regimene is a few grand a month

RevellingInSane · November 2nd, 2007, 06:41 PM

I do not understand what context other people are hearing that is leading to these statements that he meant her character or it wasn't racist.

Had he not said he could not have a black person around because he likes to use the N word, I may have bought it. At no point in time does he mention this woman's character. It was racist and disgusting, pure and simple.

kingcap72 · November 2nd, 2007, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RevellingInSane

I do not understand what context other people are hearing that is leading to these statements that he meant her character or it wasn't racist.

Had he not said he could not have a black person around because he likes to use the N word, I may have bought it. At no point in time does he mention this woman's character. It was racist and disgusting, pure and simple.

Thank you, RIS. The whole 'he didn't like her character' nonsense is just a cop out. From his own mouth he admitted that he didn't want her around because he wanted to be able to freely use the word. There's no wiggle room for interpretation there.

Trixie · November 2nd, 2007, 10:56 PM

I was trying to figure out which son this was..I knew there were quite a few, but when I looked at Dog's wikipedia page, I was literally dumbfounded. This is hands down, the most fucked up white trash family tree I've ever seen. You would literally have to sit down and take notes to comprehend it all.

I kinda doubt that Dog was much of a father to any of his older kids... in fact it seems he hasn't even met a few of them. Hmmm suddenly he's famous and rich and certain kids are benefitting from the money and fame...what about the rest of them?

Seems Tucker didn't get with the program and dump his black girlfriend per daddy's request, so he was cut off from the Dog gravy train.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but it also seems to me that Dog has never put his kids first in his life--there was always another woman waiting to bear him more. Even his daughter's death the day before his wedding didn't stop him from marrying baby mama #6. (The daughter was also from the marriage to Tucker's mom btw)

Honestly, I'm surprised more of his children haven't turned on him yet.

Duane Chapman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

pacific breeze · November 2nd, 2007, 10:58 PM

Well, there is no more gravy train so nobody can get anything now. I wonder how that will make them feel? Some didn't want any part of the business, others did. Dog is a creep, but even he has admitted his shortcomings as a father.

FYI, I posted that link pages back.

Trixie · November 2nd, 2007, 11:17 PM

I know you did, that's how I came to read it..thank you for the info and sorry I didn't credit you. But since I mentioned it in this thread, figured I'd link to it again.

I guess my point was..I suspect there were a lot more issues between Dog and this son before the incident which led to the sale of this tape.

pacific breeze · November 2nd, 2007, 11:20 PM

^^I agree. This didn't just come out of nowhere.

DVS_one · November 3rd, 2007, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kingcap72

Well, what I heard was a continual use of the N-word and how he didn't want his son to date a black woman because he wanted to be able to freely use the word. There's no cleaning that up or explaining that away. That was the nuts and bolts of it.

And it doesn't matter that his son set him up and sold the story, or that it was a private conversation. The fact remains that it was Duane on the tape. Case closed right there.

Dog used the N word. That is a fact.
What you have failed to acknowledge is that there are many facts here that are not as clear as that one in particular.

I dont personally use the word, and my children had never heard it until they were in grade school. (they found out and thought it was like saying fuck, cunt, whore... whatever other curse word... they were forbidden)

I dont like that Dog uses the word... whether it be once or a million times. I also do not like the fact that they were literally setting him up to do so. This conversation is pretty well setting a trap, and Dog was really fucking stupid if he didnt see it coming since it was a complaint he had with his son specifically.

eta: this is the son that was in prison for 4 yrs on a meth/ice delivery charge that Dog refused to bail out when he (the son) refused rehab several times from reports.

kingcap72 · November 3rd, 2007, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DVS_one

Dog used the N word. That is a fact.
What you have failed to acknowledge is that there are many facts here that are not as clear as that one in particular.

I dont personally use the word, and my children had never heard it until they were in grade school. (they found out and thought it was like saying fuck, cunt, whore... whatever other curse word... they were forbidden)

I dont like that Dog uses the word... whether it be once or a million times. I also do not like the fact that they were literally setting him up to do so. This conversation is pretty well setting a trap, and Dog was really fucking stupid if he didnt see it coming since it was a complaint he had with his son specifically.

Really? And what fact would be clearer than that one? The man didn't want his son dating a black woman because he wanted to be able to freely use the N-word, and he didn't want his career threatened by her telling people that he uses the N-word. That fact is pretty cut and dried right there.

And, yeah, it's obvious that he got set up by his son and the girlfriend. That's a given. But that's not the pertinent issue at hand. And I'll be the first to admit I don't think he should have his show cancelled because of something he said in private. If it was on the air, then that's a different story.

As a black man I don't personally flip out when idiots like Duane, Michael Richards or Imus shoot off their mouths. Their ignorance annoys me, but in the grand scheme of things it's not altering my life. But it's the half-ass deflection tactics that they try to use to cover it up that ticks me off.