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    Quote Originally Posted by fgg View Post
    ^because he put a book out two years ago that needs selling, duh! it's tough times out there, you know.
    anyone who waits 30 fucking years and then puts out a book to profit from someone's death (I'm looking at YOU too, Kris Jenner!) is immediately under scrutiny, IMO. And if he knew something back then, he should be brought up on charges now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by louiswinthorpe111 View Post
    It was 30 YEARS AGO...let it go.
    Um, no. If there was foul play, there should be an investigation and the person who did it should be prosecuted.

    I always thought the circumstances surrounding her death were strange, but I agree why is the boat captain just now coming out with this information? Was he racked with guilt? Did the hush money stop coming in?

    Has Robert Wagner responded yet? There is a press conference that is scheduled at 11 AM Pacific Time about this investigation.
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    Who knows what happened, but anyone who was drinking while popping Quaaludes like they were that night could go overboard and sink like a stone.

    Anyone who's ever taken a lude knows what I'm talking about. I always thought the whole thing was very suspicious, until I read about the ludes. It gave my a different POV on what happened.



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    I have always wondered if Robert pushed her over board after the night of drinking and fighting, and then just walked away, letting her drown. He did know she couldn't swim, didn't he? Then it sounds like he didn't push the captain of the boat to look very hard for her that night, either.

    I have always had the feeling that Robert killed her after finding out, or thinking, that Chris W and Natalie were messing around. Just my thoughts on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    Who knows what happened, but anyone who was drinking while popping Quaaludes like they were that night could go overboard and sink like a stone.

    Anyone who's ever taken a lude knows what I'm talking about. I always thought the whole thing was very suspicious, until I read about the ludes. It gave my a different POV on what happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    Who knows what happened, but anyone who was drinking while popping Quaaludes like they were that night could go overboard and sink like a stone.

    Anyone who's ever taken a lude knows what I'm talking about. I always thought the whole thing was very suspicious, until I read about the ludes. It gave my a different POV on what happened.
    Yeah I agree.
    One of the common brands back then was Mandax and if you look at some of the side effects it's easy to see how this may have contributed greatly to Natalies death combined with booze...

    Some of Mandrax side effects....

    Side effects of Mandrax are similar to those of the common anti-depressant--cramps, insomnia, headaches, emotional instability, and so forth, with the added effects of toxin-induced psychosis as well as loss of muscle control.

    Now can you imagine a woman who can't swim - who is scared to death of water, who is also highly emotional because of all the argueing that night with Wagner (hence the highlighted emotional stability and also the psychosis for her deathly fear of dark water) who is also highly intoxicated....
    I'd take an educated guess that she got cramps while in the freezing water flailing around and probably even the loss of muscle of control and you can see quite clearly how everything combined that night resulted in her death once she was in the water....

    And also during very heated rows sometimes threats like murdering or killing someone gets thrown around. So it is possible in the heat of the argument that Wagner shouted these kind of threats to Natalie of course not expecting to ever carry through on it.

    Now it's possible that is what was covered up....the threats that Wagner might have been throwing around that night before she drowned.
    Because that would be awfully powerful evidence if Natalie did drown accidentally......
    IF he'd made threats and DIDN'T do it and Natalie had died accidentally who would have believed him at the time anyway?

    He would be incriminating himself by admitting it. Hence why he may have lawyered himself up pretty early in the piece.
    I don't think he actually DID anything just THREATENED to do it. And the rest was just a combination of other things that led to her accidental death.

    Anyway....RIP Natalie....
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    this story will get the tabs in overdrive for a bit. in addition to the 'rj killed her because she was fucking walken' version, it's also always been rumored she tried to get off the boat when she caught rj and walken fucking.


    but i do think it was all just a sad drugged up accident. i have no trouble thinking she fell or slipped. ludes will make definitely make you stumble. add some drinks, and you won't be able to speak.



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    Wonder how Wagner, Walken and her kids are feeking today. It may be an awkward Thanksgiving...
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    If it was just an accident and she slipped, then how did the dinghy get untied? She had multiple bruises on her body. I think Robert accidentally killed or injured her, put her in the dinghy and left her for dead. The only thing i don't get is, there were witnesses on a nearby boat that say they heard her screaming for help and Robert screaming back. The captain doesn't mention any of this.

    I think that regardless of how long it has been, justice needs to be served. If Robert Wagner is responsible, he needs to be held accountable.

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    I always thought Robert killed her.

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    Anyone know if there are any abuse stories about him and her?

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    Yacht Captain: Robert Wagner Responsible for Death of Natalie Wood

    Published November 18, 2011
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    A yacht captain said Friday that he lied to authorities about Natalie Wood's mysterious death, and blames the late actress' husband, Robert Wagner, for her drowning off the coast of Southern California.

    Thirty years after her drowning was ruled an accident, a homicide investigation has been opened in the death of the Oscar-nominated actress.

    Book Triggers Reopening of Natalie Wood Case as a Homicide Investigation, Report Says
    Natalie Wood's Sister: Robert Wagner Withheld Information at Time of Drowning
    Wood drowned after spending several hours drinking on Catalina Island and a yacht with husband Robert Wagner, fellow actor Christopher Walken and the ship's captain, Dennis Davern.

    Davern told NBC TV's "Today" show on Friday that he made mistakes by not telling the truth about events leading to her death, and urged Los Angeles County sheriff's homicide investigators to reopen the case.

    "Was the fight between Natalie Wood and her husband Robert Wagner what ultimately led to her death?" morning show host David Gregory asked.

    "Yes," Davern replied.

    "How so?"

    "Like I said, that's going to be up to the investigators to decide," Davern said.

    Davern said he believes Wagner intentionally kept the investigation into Wood's death low profile, and didn't do everything he could have done. When Gregory pressed Davern for supporting details, the captain said that was the duty of investigators.

    Wagner's rep Alan Nierob released a statement on the matter: "Although no one in the Wagner family has heard from the LA County Sheriff's department about this matter, they fully support the efforts of the LA County Sheriff's Dept. and trust they will evaluate whether any new information relating to the death of Natalie Wood Wagner is valid, and that it comes from a credible source or sources other than those simply trying to profit from the 30 year anniversary of her tragic death,"

    Davern was not immediately available for comment.

    Natalie Wood's sister, Lana, told TMZ Thursday that she believes Wagner withheld information from authorities after the drowning. This seems to contradict earlier statements from Lana Wood that Wagner had nothing to do with her sister's death.

    Los Angeles County sheriffs will speak to reporters Friday about the decision to take another look at Wood's nighttime demise on Nov. 29, 1981. Sheriff's spokesman Steve Whitmore said Thursday the renewed inquiry was prompted by unspecified new information about Wood's case.

    The Los Angeles Times quoted Sheriff Lee Baca as saying recent comments by Davern, who was interviewed for a book project and whose comments from a 2000 article by Vanity Fair are being featured in a new print edition and a "48 Hours Mystery" episode that focus on Hollywood scandals.

    In Vanity Fair, Davern is quoted as saying that Wood and Wagner fought in their cabin before the actress went missing. Coroner's officials ruled her death an accidental drowning, perhaps caused by her slipping off the boat while trying to tie down a dinghy.

    But Wood's sister Lana told TMZ the actress was deathly afraid of water.

    Coroner's officials said that Wood was "possibly attempting to board the dinghy and had fallen into the water, striking her face."

    It is not the first time Davern has contradicted statements he and others made to investigators after Woods' death, and the magazine notes that he has told his story through tabloids and has been shopping for a book deal for years.

    Sheriff's officials are also hoping for tips from the public that may shed new light on how Wood ended up drowning.

    Wood, a three-time Oscar nominee famous for roles in "West Side Story," `'Rebel Without a Cause" and other Hollywood hits, was 43 when she died. She and Wagner, star of the TV series "Hart to Hart," were twice married, first in 1957 before divorcing six years later. They remarried in 1972.

    Wagner wrote in a 2008 autobiography that he blamed himself for his wife's death.

    He recounted the night of Wood's disappearance, during which the couple and Walken drank at a restaurant and on the boat. Wood went to the master cabin during an argument between her husband and Walken. The last time Wagner saw his wife, she was fixing her hair in a bathroom mirror and she shut the door.
    Wagner wrote that despite various theories about what led Wood to the water, which she feared, it was impossible to know what exactly happened.

    "Nobody knows," he wrote. "There are only two possibilities; either she was trying to get away from the argument, or she was trying to tie the dinghy. But the bottom line is that nobody knows exactly what happened."

    Later in the book, Wagner wrote, "Did I blame myself? If I had been there, I could have done something. But I wasn't there. I didn't see her."

    He wrote that he has never returned to Catalina Island.

    Phone and email messages to Walken's publicist from the Associated Press were not returned Thursday. Walken and Wood were co-stars in "Brainstorm," which was the actress' final big screen role.

    - The Associated Press contributed to this report.



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    perhaps she untied the dinghy. maybe to let it go, maybe to storm off.

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    The Los Angeles Sheriff's Department will hold a press conference today to announce they are re-opening the investigation into Natalie Wood's drowning death 30 years ago. The decision is reportedly based on new recollections by the skipper of the boat, Dennis Davern, on the 30th anniversary of her death.
    L.A. County Sheriff Lee Baca told The Times that homicide detectives want to talk to the captain based on comments he had made recounting the case on its 30th anniversary. Baca did not detail what the captain said regarding the case.....A law enforcement source added that the department had recently received a letter from an unidentified "third party" who said that the captain had "new recollections" about the case.
    Via TMZ, here are the Declarations of Marti Rulli (who co-authored a book on the drowning with her friend Skipper Davern), Rescue Boat Captain Roger Smith (who brought the body ashore) and others. All seem to cast blame on Wood's husband, Robert Wagner, whom police have not re-interviewed. Wagner has released this statement.
    Although no one in the Wagner family has heard from the LA County Sheriff’s department about this matter, they fully support the efforts of the LA County Sheriff’s Dept. and trust they will evaluate whether any new information relating to the death of Natalie Wood Wagner is valid, and that it comes from a credible source or sources other than those simply trying to profit from the 30-year anniversary of her tragic death,"
    There's a CBS 48 Hours special planned for Nov. 19 in which the show interviewed some of the people with knowledge of events.



    Then there's a recent interview of Roger Smith, who was the Supervising Rescue Boat Captain for Isthmus, Catalina Island, who brought Natalie's body ashore. Seems like Smith's version and Skipper Dennis Davern's versions of events differ. Smith says Davern did not see Natalie's body (only her face) and could not have observed bruises. (Smith says there were no bruises.)
    Smith tells Canyon News, “As you know, Tommy, I did take her to the U.S.C Marine Science Center to avoid taking her through the public at Two Harbors. I was a treatment supervisor for scuba diving accidents. So I was very familiar with the facility. I laid Natalie at the entrance platform and the deputy and I took off her Down Jacket, and we had to check her out for any foul play. That is when we found out she had nothing on under her full length night gown. We looked carefully for anything unusual and did not find any bruising as suggested in Marti’s book.”


    Taking a deep breath, then continuing, “I closed her eyes which was very easy to do. When I looked at her she did not look like she had been deceased that long, as I had seen before in drowning victims. We covered her up with a disposable blanket. I took off her rings and jewelry while we waited for what I thought would be Wagner for I.D. purposes. Instead the captain of the boat arrived! I pulled down the blanket from her face and he said yes that is her. I gave him her jewelry and he left. He did not see any other part of her and I always wondered why he said he did in the book? And I was also disappointed why Wagner did not come over, said Smith." (My emphasis).
    The interview doesn't mention Smith's bitterness at later being demoted. From Smith's Declaration:
    On April 1st, 1982, I was demoted as supervising rescue boat lieutenant with a pay-cut of $600 a month and told I had 15 days to get off the island. I was also told the demotion was due to budgetary reasons, which also threw into the works that such a demotion could not be appealed. The demotion was so airtight, nothing could be done.
    Nor is his criticism of Davern's claim to have seen bruises referenced in his new Declaration.
    Davern and author Marti Rulli were among those interviewed for 20/20, as was lead detective Duane Rasure, and possibly Coroner Noguchi. 20/20 then contacted the LA Sheriff's for information. Sounds like they also shared information with each other, as it was after that the Sheriff's began re-interviewing Rulli's group. Among those recently re-interviewed by the Los Angeles authorities: Marti Rulli, Skipper Davern, Marilyn Wayne (a retired stockbroker on a neighboring boat) and Lana Wood. There may be a "person of interest" in the re-opened case.



    Marilyn Wayne, who was on a neighboring boat, says:
    Marilyn Wayne, a retired stockbroker, who was on a yacht moored next to Splendour on that night tells Highlight Hollywood, “My partner, my son and I all heard the screams that night. They lasted from around 11:05 p.m. until 11:30 p.m, then nothing more. I yelled out to the woman’s voice many times saying, ‘tell me where you are, I will help you.’ But soon the screams subsided and went away,” said Wayne. “But not before I heard a man’s voice very angrily say, ‘oh, be quite, we’ll get you out.’” Whatever happened, that night has been cloaked in secrecy.
    Rulli and Davern point to his having passed a polygraph by a certified polygrapher. They picked the polygrapher and paid him, according to Rulli.

    Here's the coroner's drawing of the body, from Rulli's website, stating there were bruises. Again, Davern said he saw bruises but Rescue captain Smith says there were none and Davern didn't see her body, only her face.

    It seems the 48 Hours show will present a lot of Rulli and Davern's newly detailed account, and the inconsistencies with prior accounts of someone (who is not entirely clear to me ) which are a subject of the new investigation.



    I'm skeptical of anyone who has new recollections after 30 years, writing a book, commissioning their own polygraph to support their effort, and petitioning for the reopening of a criminal case. Very odd. And how fair is it to make someone defend against accusations being raised for the first time 30 years after the fact?



    It does sound like police did a cursory investigation in 1981 and the parties involved were tight-lipped and not forthcoming about everything that transpired that night. But since no one is claiming, even now, they saw Natalie get in the dinghy, saw anyone put her in the dingy or cause her to go overboard, it seems like the new investigation is based on little more than finger-pointing.


    LA Sheriff's Reopening Investigation Into Natalie Wood's 1981 Drowning - TalkLeft: The Politics Of Crime



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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    this story will get the tabs in overdrive for a bit. in addition to the 'rj killed her because she was fucking walken' version, it's also always been rumored she tried to get off the boat when she caught rj and walken fucking.


    but i do think it was all just a sad drugged up accident. i have no trouble thinking she fell or slipped. ludes will make definitely make you stumble. add some drinks, and you won't be able to speak.
    Yeah I agree about it being sad, drugged up accident. The theory I've read that seems plausible to me is that dinghy was banging against the side of the boat, bothering Natalie. She went out to untie it, not ever planning on getting in it, slipped and drowned. I don't doubt that they were arguing. I've heard they were a volatile couple, but I don't believe RJ had anything to do with her death.

    After seeing the interview with the captain, who also is known as a long time, hardcore alcoholic, I don't find him credible. I think he's run out of the money he got for his book and he's trying to make some more cash.


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    Yeah, the captain's interview did not help his credibility. But i still believe that there's more to the story.

    I just don't buy that Natalie would try to fix the dinghy if she was that afraid of the water. It just doesn't make sense.

    Even if Robert did accidentally kill her and put her in the dinghy, without an eyewitness to that happening, i don't know what this investigation can really do. I'm assuming Robert is not going to offer up anything new.

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