Laila Ali is pregnant

**Sweetie** · March 27th, 2008, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by HWBL

OMG!!!!! I cannot believe you wrote that and are serious about it!

He refused to fight in Vietnam BECAUSE he was still being discriminated
in the US: he was still refused service at restaurants because of his
skin color, despite having won gold in the Olympics, yet he was deemed
good enough to fight and risk his life in a war he didn't start!
Holy crap. I am truly shocked.

"I Ain't Got No Quarrel With The VietCong...
No VietCong Ever Called Me Nigger" — Muhammad Ali, 1966
"No, I am not going 10,000 miles to help murder kill and burn other people to simply help continue the domination of white slavemasters over dark people the world over. This is the day and age when such evil injustice must come to an end."
—Muhammad Ali

It's still called dodging the draft...which I can't blame him for because I wouldn't fight for this country either. My main beef with him is he's racist and was a lazy ass boxer that laid on the ropes and let his challenger beat himself.

**HWBL** · March 27th, 2008, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Sweetie

It's still called dodging the draft...which I can't blame him for because I wouldn't fight for this country either. My main beef with him is he's racist and was a lazy ass boxer that laid on the ropes and let his challenger beat himself.

Wow. I am stunned...flabbergasted....shocked.

**Sweetie** · March 27th, 2008, 11:59 AM

What's so shocking?
Oh and lets not forget how he treated women:

Women, too, are there: two before one fight, five before another. "Our women should be honoured," Ali said during his years away from boxing, "but they should understand their inferiority. Man gotta look down on women and women up to men whether they standing up or laying down. I don't take any sass."

Yeah, that's a man of great honor and should deserve a lot of respect.

**Soth** · March 27th, 2008, 12:01 PM

Sweetie....lay off the turps

Draft dodging is soo 1973......

**Sweetie** · March 27th, 2008, 12:03 PM

Soth, lay of Sweetie. If you read most post my issue isn't the draft dodging it's his whole attitude. He was a dick.
Thanks!

**HWBL** · March 27th, 2008, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Sweetie

What's so shocking?
Oh and lets not forget how he treated women:

Women, too, are there: two before one fight, five before another. "Our women should be honoured," Ali said during his years away from boxing, "but they should understand their inferiority. Man gotta look down on women and women up to men whether they standing up or laying down. I don't take any sass."

Good god. You really believe every quote you read, that backs
up your vision of him?

I know people who have known him for years, two even for
decades, and you could not be more wrong. At best, the
quote you used is taken out of context or even hashed
up various quotes that are pasted together.
Nobody is a saint, so Muhammad isn't either. But he is not
at all as you describe him to be.
Even more stunned.

**Sweetie** · March 27th, 2008, 12:06 PM

I have watched MANY an Ali interview, my opinion is based 100% on his own words, coming out of his own mouth.

**Soth** · March 27th, 2008, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Sweetie

Soth, lay of Sweetie. If you read most post my issue isn't the draft dodging it's his whole attitude. He was a dick.
Thanks!

Youre right hon, I just have an idolitory nature.

Cassius Clay had an IQ closer to a squirrel. But he could fight good(sic).

He was a quotable fucker though - but still a broken clock is right twice a day

**Sweetie** · March 27th, 2008, 12:14 PM

^ Yeah, I agree, he wasn't very intelligent. If I heard him say "ain't" one time I heard him say it a million.

I wish I could agree about the fighting though.....

I just think I hate him so much as a person that I can see the good in his fighting.

**kingcap72** · March 27th, 2008, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Sweetie

It's still called dodging the draft...which I can't blame him for because I wouldn't fight for this country either. My main beef with him is he's racist and was a lazy ass boxer that laid on the ropes and let his challenger beat himself.

There's a huge difference between dodging the draft and outright refusing to go to war. Dodging the draft means that you go off and hide, or join the National Guard, to avoid punishment. Ali got locked up and had his titles stripped from him because he refused to go to war, and he took that punishment.

And if Ali is such a racist then why do so many people, of all colors, admire him so much? And he wasn't a lazy boxer, he allowed other boxers to tire themselves out and he took advantage of it, just like the majority of boxers do. And a lot of boxers modeled their style of fighting after Ali.

Originally Posted by HWBL

LOL, yes, she's pretty.
I LOVE her father.

Agree with you on BOTH points.

My father's got a picture that Ali autographed for him back in the 60's, and I plan to get that picture one day.

**crumpet** · March 27th, 2008, 01:29 PM

It is not unfathomable that this man, in his era and being Muslim, held some extremely sexist views. Yes, I said Muslim, because in general I think that there is a very oppressive attitude towards women amongst many followers and Muslim theocracies have horrible human rights violations especially against women.

But, sexism gets excused as being part of 'culture'.

**Sweetie** · March 27th, 2008, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by kingcap72

There's a huge difference between dodging the draft and outright refusing to go to war. Dodging the draft means that you go off and hide, or join the National Guard, to avoid punishment. Ali got locked up and had his titles stripped from him because he refused to go to war, and he took that punishment.

And if Ali is such a racist then why do so many people, of all colors, admire him so much? And he wasn't a lazy boxer, he allowed other boxers to tire themselves out and he took advantage of it, just like the majority of boxers do.

Agree with you on BOTH points.

I know what dodging the draft is....it's refusing to go, which he did.
And I couldn't tell you why so many people respect him, I am not 'so many other people'; I can tell you why I don't respect him and that's because he was an ignorant man that belittled everyone that wasn't of his religion or a black man.
You like him, I don't and your points will not change my mind. I have watched many show on Ali in hopes of liking him, but they always make me dislike him even more.

Oh and I don't care for boxers that lay around, I am more about being able to come out guns a blazing. To me he was lazy.

**kingcap72** · March 27th, 2008, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Sweetie

I know what dodging the draft is....it's refusing to go, which he did.
And I couldn't tell you why so many people respect him, I am not 'so many other people'; I can tell you why I don't respect him and that's because he was an ignorant man that belittled everyone that wasn't of his religion or a black man.
You like him, I don't and your points will not change my mind. I have watched many show on Ali in hopes of liking him, but they always make me dislike him even more.

Oh and I don't care for boxers that lay around, I am more about being able to come out guns a blazing. To me he was lazy.

Trust me, trying to change your mind is the LAST thing that I care about or need to do. You chose to express your opinion, and I chose to express mine. The End.

**Sweetie** · March 27th, 2008, 01:40 PM

Good, glad we agree.

**Lalique** · March 27th, 2008, 01:40 PM

Ali was not a "lazy" boxer. His "dope-on-a-rope" strategy is just that--a strategy. If you come out guns a blazin' you will quickly wear yourself out and be KOd. He was an excellent athlete who could also gauge his opponents strengths and weaknesses very well.

Anyway, this thread is about his daughter. She is beautiful and looks very happy.