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    Quote Originally Posted by Novice View Post
    Does that make it right? Nope.
    Morals are rather subjective. I don't see doing smack as being right, nor wrong. I just see it as being stupid.

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    I know someone on high dose patches for the kind of pain that comes from breaking nearly every bone following a bike accident a few years before. They manage to function, socialise and be a good hearted person.

    I also see smack heads shuffling along and picking at their skin and sweating and shaking and stealing anything they can get their scabby hands on so they can pay for their next fix.

    I know who I prefer.
    And on the other hand, there are people that do drugs like smack for decades and are able to function without people even knowing about it. While some people can't even function while on certain pain medications they need. Yet are still given to them by doctors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joebob View Post
    Morals are rather subjective. I don't see doing smack as being right, nor wrong. I just see it as being stupid.
    Legality, not morally.
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    And on the other hand, there are people that do drugs like smack for decades and are able to function without people even knowing about it. While some people can't even function while on certain pain medications they need. Yet are still given them by doctors.
    That's a no-brainer as meds effect everyones body chemistry differently.
    However there is a big difference. Oh forget it I can't be arsed.
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    The DEA has curtailed most doctor's ability to write scripts for pain meds in the last year or two. They can get away with post op pain meds, but that's about it and it better be for time specified in guidelines. They make you go to pain management doctors and I can't imagine ever wanting to get in that field. My soon to be ex works at a large hospital and there are four pain management doctors within about a 15 mile radius that had their licenses suspended over the last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Novice View Post

    However there is a big difference.
    Yes and no. Addiction to pain medication is becoming a huge problem as oxy/opiate addicts are as useless as junkies, they just aren't as at risk from IV injection as heroin addicts. But crime and incarceration aren't restricted to heroin addicts and meth-heads if you need to steal drugs or get your prescription from some dodgy operator.

    And I know of heroin addicts who function reasonably well in society when they're using (for a while anyway). The trouble starts when they try to get off it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novice View Post
    Legality, not morally.
    No, it's morality. I think people have a right to put it in their body if they want to. They just shouldn't try to make me do it.

    That's a no-brainer as meds effect everyones body chemistry differently.
    However there is a big difference. Oh forget it I can't be arsed.
    No. There isn't a big difference. There are many pain medications that are super strong that can kill people. Sadly, a lot of it is being given to old people. Of course they give it to them along with their anti-depressants/anti-anxiety pills.

    The prescription mediations can be just as, if not more dangerous, due to the fact that a lot of people think they are rather safe, due to the fact that they are being given to them by a doctor, who they think is only looking out for them. When in reality, many are just pill doctors that will give them anything to make sure they keep coming back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevan View Post
    The DEA has curtailed most doctor's ability to write scripts for pain meds in the last year or two. They can get away with post op pain meds, but that's about it and it better be for time specified in guidelines. They make you go to pain management doctors and I can't imagine ever wanting to get in that field. My soon to be ex works at a large hospital and there are four pain management doctors within about a 15 mile radius that had their licenses suspended over the last year.
    <insert random, personal, slightly off topic question>
    Do you know if Loratabs fall under this umbrella? I had a surgery two years ago, and was given a prescription for loratab. I used very little of it. However, for the past year I have had a re-occurring pain that happens 1-2 times a month. I tried taking 800mg ibuprofen, but it wasn't helping/working. I take half the leftover loratab, and feel better within an hour. I was thinking of asking the doctor for more, but with what you've said, I'm wondering if I won't get it now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joebob View Post
    And on the other hand, there are people that do drugs like smack for decades and are able to function without people even knowing about it. While some people can't even function while on certain pain medications they need. Yet are still given to them by doctors.
    And that's the difference - they NEED the pain meds, whereas nobody actually needs to become a smackhead. The guy I know would really love to be able to live his life without the patches. He'd love to be able to face each new day safe in the knowledge that he won't constantly lose concentration, suffer from nausea and hoarseness and all the other horrible side effects he gets but he can't. That option was taken away from him because of someone elses carelessness. Does anyone really need to start shooting up heroin? Do they really need to turn into the shambling zombies that blight whatever area they have stumbled in to? And blight it they do, as I can personally attest to after a gang of them took up residence in a communal area of a place I used to live. Nobodies property was safe (and heaven knows we had little enough to start with) and their leaving present was used foil and needles, excrement and a fire that nearly killed a young mother and her kids at the end of the block.

    But yeah! Let's legalise heroin and see what happens...
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    I have a friend whose brother in law was in a work related accident. He was prescribed Oxy and quickly became addicted. Three years later, he's now a heroin addict. I've spoke about this before, I grew up with various kinds of addicts in my extended family. I see no difference between the person on heroin and the one taking Methadone. Same shit only one is government sponsored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kittylady View Post
    But yeah! Let's legalise heroin and see what happens...
    Not much really. Sorry, but I doubt there are going to be hoards of people wondering around in everyones neighborhood just mindlessly scratching themselves while trying to steal something to get their fix.

    People don't need a lot of things. But it doesn't mean they should be banned. People don't need to get drunk, but they still do it. There are far more alcohol related deaths than there will ever be heroin ones. But nobody says we need to ban it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dexter7 View Post
    <insert random, personal, slightly off topic question>
    Do you know if Loratabs fall under this umbrella? I had a surgery two years ago, and was given a prescription for loratab. I used very little of it. However, for the past year I have had a re-occurring pain that happens 1-2 times a month. I tried taking 800mg ibuprofen, but it wasn't helping/working. I take half the leftover loratab, and feel better within an hour. I was thinking of asking the doctor for more, but with what you've said, I'm wondering if I won't get it now.
    I'm not a doctor, but I would say yes it falls under that umbrella. They are a Schedule II drug, which also includes cocaine (which is a prescribable drug, believe it or not, as a topical anesthetic ... I believe it's almost exclusively used by dentists), opium, fentanyl (a really strong painkiller), morphine, oxycodone (the main ingredient in Percocet, Vicodin, etc.) and other similar drugs. It all depends on the doctor, really. But there was some law (I am unsure if it's state or federal, I would have to believe federal) passed within the last year or two that gives the DEA a lot more power to keep track of prescriptions and the doctors that do the prescribing. My doctor, for instance, has been in practice for 30-35 years .... imagine losing your license because you wrote a single script out for Vicodin or whatever. From what I've been told, they have to answer for every single script and the DEA is very strict in what is classified as a "necessity" for the drug. Of course, that doesn't change the fact that you can buy ANY of this shit on the corner of my soon to be ex's hospital from some random drug dealer.

    FYI, though, in my state, if your pharmacist knows you as a customer, you're allowed to purchase behind the counter codeine cough medicine without a script (it's logged and you're only allowed so much of it during a block of time). If you're buying from Walgreens or whatever , you can have your doctor prescribe it for you ... it's very little codeine, so I guess they consider it no big deal. The same with Loratabs ... they sound like they're the lesser evils of Schedule II drugs, but that doesn't change that they're still classified as a Schedule II.

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    the law nevan refers to was passed by the DEA and is specific to hydrocodone combo meds - reclassifying schedule 3 meds to schedule 2. lortab falls into that class (schedule 2).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kittylady View Post
    And that's the difference - they NEED the pain meds, whereas nobody actually needs to become a smackhead.
    But that's how a lot of addicts start out - prescribed something for pain, get hooked, eventually the meds run out and the doctor won't prescribe anymore so they look for their opiate fix elsewhere. Motor vehicle accident victims often getting hooked on pain pills and their lives run off the rails, and that wasn't their fault either, but it doesn't stop them becoming sad junkies.
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    thanks for the info guys! It sucks that I finally figured out something that works pretty fast, but it's not likely to be an option for me when I want a refill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faithanne View Post
    But that's how a lot of addicts start out - prescribed something for pain, get hooked, eventually the meds run out and the doctor won't prescribe anymore so they look for their opiate fix elsewhere. Motor vehicle accident victims often getting hooked on pain pills and their lives run off the rails, and that wasn't their fault either, but it doesn't stop them becoming sad junkies.
    I guess it depends where you are. Over here it's actually easier in some places to get smack than it is to get high dose prescription pain killers. There was/is a guy the Bloke went to school with that we used to see regularly stumbling his way to his dealer - the guy had everything growing up and still got into heroin without doing the soft drugs/painkillers route first. He ended up as a missing person for a while and we dreaded the MIL's dog coming running out of the bushes surrounding the fields nearby hauling a decomposing leg or something. Thankfully he was found and put in rehab yet again by what's left of his family that will still speak to him but judging by the sickly yellow colour of him now he's not got long left on the clock, even if he stays clean.

    I'm very much against heroin being legalised because of sights like that, the messed up junkies who nearly killed my old neighbour and her kids and the fact that for a while (when I was small) we had a pair of heroin addicts living next door to us and we had to live through the 5am police raids, social services having to grab and run with their kids, the stream of fellow users in and out at all hours and none of us local kids being able to play outside because of all the dirty needles that were all over the place. We need better treatment and rehabilitation options rather than legalisation.
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    Its easier to score heroin here too. And it's much cheaper than prescription opiates are.

    I believe soft drugs should be legal, but not opiates. I've seen too much damage from them, both street versions and prescriptions.
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