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    i dumped a guy once after looking at his history and seeing barely legal teen type shit. it wasn't actual child porn, but young young looking chicks pretending to be young teens. the creeped the fuck out of me enough to break up with him. was i being too judgy? i dunno. i think it starts with 'legal' fantasy shit then when that gets tired, that's when people start going for the real thing. it's like desensitizing.

    i remember in the early 2000's there used to be these 'child model' sites. really sick visuals of girls jumping on a bed in skimpy pajamas, doing yoga moves. i found the link from the perverted justice forums, i used to troll chat rooms pretending to be underage then post transcripts on the forum, i don't think they do that anymore. anyways, you could order videos of these 9 and 10 year olds or pay monthly to be in their fan clubs. i don't think they have those anymore, i haven't looked. that was real crazy stuff. i hope it's illegal now. i bet it was way easier to get that kiddie porn in the late nineties though, compared to today. like you all said, you have to use certain browsers etc.

    i have no doubt this grisham guys computers are going to be checked out now. ha!~
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    He recounted the story of his “good buddy from law school” who got caught up in a Canadian sting operation as an example of judicial excess: “His drinking was out of control, and he went to a website. It was labelled ‘sixteen year old wannabee hookers or something like that’. And it said ’16-year-old girls’. So he went there. Downloaded some stuff — it was 16 year old girls who looked 30. He shouldn’t ’a done it. It was stupid, but it wasn’t 10-year-old boys. He didn’t touch anything.”
    So it's okay so as long as it's GIRLS a guy is lusting after? Between this idiotic comment and the ones made by fellow hack Nicholas Sparks, I'm giving up all middlebrow fiction forever...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tulip View Post
    Viewing the porn perpetuates the need for it. So in my opinion it is a crime. The whole idea of it is so sick and disgusting. I can't even believe anyone would think it is OK to look at pornographic photos of minors.
    Edit: Hadn't read the excellent commentary already posted, so I deleted my statement.

    Sick man, will never read or see anything linked to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BITTER View Post
    So it's okay so as long as it's GIRLS a guy is lusting after?
    i think his point might have been more about the age difference? though it's fucked up that he thinks that attacking little boys is somehow more awful than if it's little girls.. because he could have said 10 year-old girls if he wanted to make the comparison.

    but the lolita/schoolgirl fantasy... i would say that's a pretty common fantasy (sorry, annika) and i think the amount of legal porn out there featuring young looking adult women dressed up as teenage girls speaks to that.
    most guys wouldn't go through with it and actually sleep with a teenage girl, so the porn is a legal outlet for that.
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    Just wanted to add that they don't ARREST & convict you for Lolita/Barely Legal type images.

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    ^^^
    no of course not, that's not what i meant at all. but they do send you to jail if you're looking at an actual 16 year-old girl. and of course most men don't go there. what i'm saying is, it's still the same fantasy, and if the fantasy alone is enough to make you a perv, well that means most men are guilty of that lol. i think most people know the difference between a fantasy you can carry out in reality and one that is best left to your imagination or porn or role playing among consenting adults. so i wouldn't necessarily assume there's something wrong with a guy if he has barely legal porn in his browser history.
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    ^^^
    shit, then he's just as delusional about his friend as he is about the availability of child porn online.
    and he was able have his licence to practice law reinstated? way to go mississippi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annika View Post
    i dumped a guy once after looking at his history and seeing barely legal teen type shit. it wasn't actual child porn, but young young looking chicks pretending to be young teens. the creeped the fuck out of me enough to break up with him. was i being too judgy? i dunno. i think it starts with 'legal' fantasy shit then when that gets tired, that's when people start going for the real thing. it's like desensitizing.
    Although the "school girl" fantasy is a popular one, I think there still is a fine line with all of that stuff.
    I commend you for following your intuition. I don't believe it's being too judgy. I don't know the details of your past relationship or what exactly he was looking at, but if what you saw (that he was viewing) made you feel uncomfortable, then I think you made a good decision for yourself.

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    Why were the Feds looking at his computer in the first place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annika View Post
    i dumped a guy once after looking at his history and seeing barely legal teen type shit. it wasn't actual child porn, but young young looking chicks pretending to be young teens. the creeped the fuck out of me enough to break up with him. was i being too judgy? i dunno. i think it starts with 'legal' fantasy shit then when that gets tired, that's when people start going for the real thing. it's like desensitizing.

    i remember in the early 2000's there used to be these 'child model' sites....i bet it was way easier to get that kiddie porn in the late nineties though, compared to today. like you all said, you have to use certain browsers etc.

    i have no doubt this grisham guys computers are going to be checked out now. ha!~
    I'm with Marie, if it made you uncomfortable, best to trust your instinct. Plus, if it was only one image okay fine, but if he had a ton of them? ugh.

    Haha, I used to mess with creeps in chat rooms too. The 90s WERE crazy, so few limitations and not much law enforcement on the web. I've always been pretty fearless (and inquisitive) with my web-browsing and it did burn me psychologically. Animal cruelty, 'nuff said. Even one second of that is too much.

    And yeah, I remember those weird child model sites, now that you mention it! And one time I received spam with recognizable child porn in it and sat there frozen in shock. It felt like some cold slimy hand had reached through the screen and touched me. I hit that delete button so hard. I am glad modern spam and image filtering mean that won't happen again. I felt such intense and instinctive revulsion that it is eye-opening to reflect how twisted and alien someone's wiring must be that they look at that and just go "ahhh, nice."

    Nothing on the web unnerved me until that moment; but it was that sudden sense of "evil IS real, nerd, and it knows where you are."

    Quote Originally Posted by Kittylady View Post
    “But they got online one night and started surfing around, probably had too much to drink or whatever, and pushed the wrong buttons, went too far and got into child porn.”

    I'm sorry but how can you accidentally "get into" child porn? ...Oh and in years of web mooching for everything from general smut to really awful shit to freak out people on GR I have never, ever come across anything of that nature. As NickiDrea points out, it's a closed underground world that is incredibly difficult to "stumble" into. Accident my pale age-appropriate arse!
    Seriously. You have to really be TRYING. From the networking I hear sex offenders doing at the PD lobby on registration day, I'd guess that knowing someone in person is a big part of the deal. Bleah.

    at "really awful shit to freak out people on GR"!

    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalMarie View Post
    ...With stings, they usually watch/track people's activity over a period of time, until enough evidence is gathered to charge the people involved.

    Like others pointed out - people searching for this kind of content is blocked by search engines like google. But there are specific browsers out there, that you can download and search with - coded to search the depths of the internet, illegal content, illegal social networking, illegal transactions (porn, drugs, etc.) ...I read TechCrunch daily, there's always articles about stings and busts going on with the people that use these browsers and sites...

    God, What a jacka**
    I read a lot of tech/cyber crime stuff too. You're probably thinking of Tor, right? Although I gather there's other technology and know-how for accessing the hidden web. Anybody read about the whole Silk Road bust? It was a website accessible with the Tor browser, basically like Amazon or Ebay for criminals. You could buy drugs, guns, a hit....all very civilized, doncha know. I'm sure something else along these lines will come along, since by all accounts the Tor underworld is pretty deserted since the latest round of FBI activity.

    Also, am I the only person who ever found Second Life a bit creepy?

    Quote Originally Posted by NickiDrea View Post
    Since I don't handle these cases I have no idea- people convicted of possession of child porn don't have mandatory SO treatment? That's very odd and a loophole that clearly needs to be closed. I don't think a child porn conviction requires SORNA/Megan's Law registration either. Whether it should is debatable I guess..... I certainly applaud the work they do. They really are getting the bad guys. I just love children so much and the thought of someone harming them is unbearable to me... ok. Off my soapbox now.
    I don't believe I could handle it either. It's really great that you know your limitations and draw the line at defending child predators. I've known a couple of defense attorneys with serious emotional and physical health problems from doing cases like that, but they were public defenders and afaik they didn't have much choice in the matter....

    In CA possession of child porn does get one on the sex offender registry permanently, though registrants can apply for exclusion from the public site if their offense was "felony child pornography conviction (Pen. Code §§ 311.1, 311.2 subd. (b), (c) or (d), or Pen. Code §§ 311.3, 311.4, 311.10, or 311.11) where the victim was at least 16 years of age or older." (Source: California Megan's Law - California Department of Justice - Office of the Attorney General) Such offenders must still register regularly with law enforcement.
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    Good gravy. No one "accidentally" comes across child porn. If the dude was that drunk he was probably too drunk to knowingly click on some porn site that probably had pop-up ads all over the place when he entered it, and some sort of disclaimer before viewing. And if he sent links to that?

    He knew what he was doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twitchy2.0 View Post
    I love that he tried to defend his pedophile friend, and instead outed him with name, home state, occupation, and the exact nature of his crime from 17 years ago on a world wide stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellatheball View Post
    Why were the Feds looking at his computer in the first place?
    He was sending the pictures to fellow pervs. One of them was undercover and just pretending to be a pedo.
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    What a creepy drunk bastard.

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