Jodie Foster's anti-gun stance - Page 3

Grimmlok · September 10th, 2007, 11:50 AM

No please, we don't need another "Nell"

nwgirl · September 10th, 2007, 11:52 AM

I doubt hardly anyone would give up their guns if our gun laws were changed. The criminals certainly wouldn't. I don't have one and don't want one for the simple fact that I think they should be stored properly which means locked up and unloaded. And I can't see many instances when a gun would be necessary where I would have the time to get it out and load it. If someone broke into my house there'd be no time for that. So either it would sit somewhere locked up, essentially useless for the purpose I wanted it for, or it would be kept unsafely, which is not acceptable either. The bat by my bed has worked very well over the years.

As for guns don't kill people...literally that's true, but I do think that a gun makes killing way easier for people. Stabbing or choking or beating someone involves getting close to someone. Using a gun you can do it from far away, you don't have to actually have your hands on someone;, it's more impersonal and detached than other means of killing. It takes less than a second to shoot someone with a gun. There aren't many other means of violence that take that little time. Not sure what that means, except that I question if we would have the violence rates we do if guns were not in the equation.

KrisNine · September 10th, 2007, 12:24 PM

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Problem is, people who own guns also fuel the illegal gun culture because they get broken into and the guns stolen. Where do you think most of them come from? lol

So you buy a gun to 'protect' yourself from criminals with guns they stole from houses just like yours.

it's idiotic.

Excellent post!

turtlex · September 10th, 2007, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by nwgirl

I doubt hardly anyone would give up their guns if our gun laws were changed. The criminals certainly wouldn't. I don't have one and don't want one for the simple fact that I think they should be stored properly which means locked up and unloaded. And I can't see many instances when a gun would be necessary where I would have the time to get it out and load it. If someone broke into my house there'd be no time for that..

Well, I have my handguns in a safe (about half the size of a fridge). The safe has a fingerprint recognizer. That takes one second, max, to open. While I keep my guns stored unloaded, I always have a loaded magazine next to the gun. Popping the magazine in and cocking the gun takes maybe a second at most (this is something you practice with dummy bullets until it is in your muscle memory). My point is, you train for this kind of situation until you are as quick as you would be if you just picked up a bat (another deadly weapon).

The problem is not with responsible gun owners, and thankfully most people are this kind of owner. Most people will take every precaution and option before pulling a gun on another human being. They'll have an alarm system or some kind of deterrent (large husband, pets, extra door lock, whatever) set up to let the threat know "hey, this house is protected". They will warn the threat that there is a gun pointed at them if it is dark. Any firearm owner out there who starts blazing guns without taking a good 5-10 seconds to identify the situation and respond appropriately (which means least violent option first, AKA talking) needs to have that firearm taken away from him for life.

The problem is with irresponsible owners, theives, thugs, etc. People who shoot first before thinking. People who don't know how to shoot, having merely bought the gun to have a false sense of being protected or to look as cool as their neighbor. People who don't properly store firearms. People who don't regularly practice with them to retain their skills. People who don't take a basic self-defense and gun safety course yearly -- an hour of time and 75 bucks well-spent.

I'm sorry I got off onto a rant, but I strongly feel that every firearm owner, licensed for concealed carry or not, *needs and should want* to be properly educated, trained, and safed.

tkdgirl · September 10th, 2007, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by turtlex

Well, I have my handguns in a safe (about half the size of a fridge). The safe has a fingerprint recognizer. That takes one second, max, to open. While I keep my guns stored unloaded, I always have a loaded magazine next to the gun. Popping the magazine in and cocking the gun takes maybe a second at most (this is something you practice with dummy bullets until it is in your muscle memory). My point is, you train for this kind of situation until you are as quick as you would be if you just picked up a bat (another deadly weapon).

The problem is not with responsible gun owners, and thankfully most people are this kind of owner. Most people will take every precaution and option before pulling a gun on another human being. They'll have an alarm system or some kind of deterrent (large husband, pets, extra door lock, whatever) set up to let the threat know "hey, this house is protected". They will warn the threat that there is a gun pointed at them if it is dark. Any firearm owner out there who starts blazing guns without taking a good 5-10 seconds to identify the situation and respond appropriately (which means least violent option first, AKA talking) needs to have that firearm taken away from him for life.

The problem is with irresponsible owners, theives, thugs, etc. People who shoot first before thinking. People who don't know how to shoot, having merely bought the gun to have a false sense of being protected or to look as cool as their neighbor. People who don't properly store firearms. People who don't regularly practice with them to retain their skills. People who don't take a basic self-defense and gun safety course yearly -- an hour of time and 75 bucks well-spent.

I'm sorry I got off onto a rant, but I strongly feel that every firearm owner, licensed for concealed carry or not, *needs and should want* to be properly educated, trained, and safed.

Once again, an excellent post. Not all gun owners are the stereotypical backwoods types. Its the irresponsible, both innocent in intent and criminals, that make it hard for the responsible ones- which has become the status quo for almost everything in the United States- punish the majority because some fools do something stupid.

I have training in martial arts, and the last thing I ever want to do is use what I know, and have been trained to do everything I can to avoid conflict. But, the safety comes in knowing that if put in a situation where I had to defend my life, I have the means to do so.

turtlex · September 10th, 2007, 12:57 PM

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I have training in martial arts, and the last thing I ever want to do is use what I know, and have been trained to do everything I can to avoid conflict. But, the safety comes in knowing that if put in a situation where I had to defend my life, I have the means to do so.

Exactly, an absolute worst case scenerio useage, but the difference is you're competent with the deadly weapon of your choice, be it a bat, martial arts/your body, chef's knife, phone book, SA weapon, golf club, Aqua Net..

(I'm envious that you can do MA; I took two lessons and the second ended with a broken ankle!)

Grimmlok · September 10th, 2007, 12:59 PM

aquanet? wtf is that? lol

tkdgirl · September 10th, 2007, 01:01 PM

^^ OUCH! How did you break it? I've broken a few bones as well in the martial arts- I shattered my left big toe on some chick in a tournament. Hehe! Didn't realize it until I picked up my trophy, took off my boot and my toe was pointing west.

Broken bones mend but your training will last forever!

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aquanet? wtf is that? lol

Grim!!!! It was THE must have fashion accessory in the 80s. How do you think everyone's hair got so big!!

turtlex · September 10th, 2007, 01:05 PM

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aquanet? wtf is that? lol

I just showed my age.

Aqua Net is a brand of hairspray here, it was extremely popular during the big-hair era during the mid to late eighties because it held your hair stock-stiff like nothing else -- actually, it's still popular in some areas of Houston. *shudder*

Imagine riding in a convertible going 75mph and your hair not moving an inch or ever getting out of place. That strong of a hold. It's impressive stuff. Even more impressive when you take a lighter to it (think flamethrower).

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^^ OUCH! How did you break it? I've broken a few bones as well in the martial arts- I shattered my left big toe on some chick in a tournament. Hehe! Didn't realize it until I picked up my trophy, took off my boot and my toe was pointing west.

I kid you not, I tripped over my own foot and fell; the ankle bent over and snapped, along with a fair number of tendons. It was horrible, but I went back after it healed. I was less of a bull in a china shop, though, after that.

tkdgirl · September 10th, 2007, 01:13 PM

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I kid you not, I tripped over my own foot and fell; the ankle bent over and snapped, along with a fair number of tendons. It was horrible, but I went back after it healed. I was less of a bull in a china shop, though, after that.

Eh, that's not so bad. I fell down the stairs and broke my ankle/foot. What was the hurry? Had to watch Survivor! LOL.

sluce · September 10th, 2007, 01:47 PM

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Well gee, seems to work in every other country that bans handguns LOL

A much lower crime rate, safer cities, less murders..

Damn! Why is it that all the great guys are always.............

Canadian?

sputnik · September 10th, 2007, 03:01 PM

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Well gee, seems to work in every other country that bans handguns LOL

A much lower crime rate, safer cities, less murders..

it's just common sense, isn't it?
unfortunately because of the constitution-fetish in the US, guns themselves have been fetichised and the right to own one equated to freedom and democracy. years of brainwashing/gun culture have to be undone before that will change.

tkdgirl · September 10th, 2007, 03:22 PM

Doesn't seem right to take away my right to bear arms yet make abortion a choice.

If you take away the right to bear arms, who is going to protect the people from the government?

Grimmlok · September 10th, 2007, 03:23 PM

I hate to tell you, but a 9 mm is not going to protect you from the government lol

It wouldn't even protect you from the police.

tkdgirl · September 10th, 2007, 03:32 PM

^^ Ever heard of a .38? Or a scatter shot gun? Sawed off shotgun? Semi automatic glock? With proper training, every single one of those guns becomes a deadly weapon. But, going back to your point, if they aren't going to protect me, then why do you have a problem with me choosing to own one, esp. if I learn how to use it?

That's why this is an issue of choice. You either choose to own a gun, or you don't. The Constitution gives me the right to make that choice, just as it guarantees me the right to vote, an abortion, etc.

It is a choice to own a gun, just as it is a choice to pick one up and kill someone. If anything, gun owners are the ones being victimized with so many lawsuits in favor of criminals being shot. If someone breaks into my house, attempts to hurt me or my daughter, and I shoot him, chances are he will sue me- and win.