Jodie Foster's anti-gun stance

[tkdgirl]

Originally Posted by sluce

I am more afraid of unexperienced homeowners with guns than the criminals with guns. There are too many stories of people shooting their own children or spouses because they hear a noise in the night and shoot before realizing it is their loved one. Most criminals do not use the guns against the person they are robbing, raping ,etc. unless the victim also has a gun.

But there are also many stories of responsible gun owners acting in self defense. I particularly love the ones of little old ladies taking care of business.

I remember watching the aftermath of Katrina, and how quickly allegedly civilized people became feral creatures hell bent on destruction. I fully realized the need for the second amendment right then and there.

[Grimmlok]

*shakes head*

See, when we had that huge power outage up here and most of the eastern seaboard was knocked out, nobody raised a fuss or went crazy.

Actually it was kind of fun, everybody outside socializing..

[tkdgirl]

Originally Posted by Grimmlok

Problem is, people who own guns also fuel the illegal gun culture because they get broken into and the guns stolen. Where do you think most of them come from? lol

So you buy a gun to 'protect' yourself from criminals with guns they stole from houses just like yours.

it's idiotic.

And making guns illegals wouldn't have the same effect? In fact, it would create the single most lucrative black market this country has ever known- and the people buying them would be those looking to commit crimes.

It is a proven fact that in states with CDW laws, there is less gun violence than in states without.

Taking away guns won't change the behavior behind violence. If people can't use guns, they'll use knives. Take knives away and they'll find another weapon.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. And by making guns illegal, you make the need and desire for that power even greater.

[Grimmlok]

Well gee, seems to work in every other country that bans handguns LOL

A much lower crime rate, safer cities, less murders..

[tkdgirl]

Originally Posted by Grimmlok

*shakes head*

See, when we had that huge power outage up here and most of the eastern seaboard was knocked out, nobody raised a fuss or went crazy.

Actually it was kind of fun, everybody outside socializing..

Yeah but if you had roaming gangs of thugs interrupting your socializing and trying to rob your personal property, you'd be thinking entirely different. The people who protected their property and lives with guns in NOLA are the ones who lived.

[Grimmlok]

The point was there WERE no roving gangs of thugs armed to the teeth. Doesn't that seem a bit different?

[tkdgirl]

Originally Posted by Grimmlok

The point was there WERE no roving gangs of thugs armed to the teeth. Doesn't that seem a bit different?

I don't see your point. Are you saying the northeast is more civilized? Maybe you live in a great neighborhood. But comparing a blackout to post Katrina is apple and oranges. How do you think you would have fared in NO in the aftermath?

[turtlex]

Originally Posted by Grimmlok

Problem is, people who own guns also fuel the illegal gun culture because they get broken into and the guns stolen. Where do you think most of them come from? lol

So you buy a gun to 'protect' yourself from criminals with guns they stole from houses just like yours.

it's idiotic.

I'll grant you Grimm, that many guns are stolen from homeowners foolish enough to not keep their guns locked up in a safe worthy of the name (I have one -- it cost more than my freakin' car but was well worth the buy) when they're not being used.

Personally I feel that people ought to be required to buy a good gun safe if they buy/own a gun. It's just a nice bit of extra protection, especially if you have kids or pets. Plus, most of the good ones are fire-rated for at least an hour or two, so they're great places to store paperwork and other valuables.

[Grimmlok]

My point is with no access to weapons or limited access toweapons, there were no roving gangs of thugs that could shoot you, thus negating your need for guns to protect yourself.

It's a cycle.. People buy guns cuz they're scared of criminals who've already stolen guns, the criminals steal more, thus perpetuating all of it. Chicken and the egg.

Unfortunately, it's a bit late for all you guys in the US.. it's already an entrenched misery that can't end.

[tkdgirl]

Originally Posted by Grimmlok

My point is with no access to weapons or limited access toweapons, there were no roving gangs of thugs that could shoot you, thus negating your need for guns to protect yourself.

It's a cycle.. People buy guns cuz they're scared of criminals who've already stolen guns, the criminals steal more, thus perpetuating all of it. Chicken and the egg.

Unfortunately, it's a bit late for all you guys in the US.. it's already an entrenched misery that can't end.

But you're assuming because you were safe during the blackout that you were untouchable. That's a pretty big assumption.

I don't think its too late at all for this country.

[ManxMouse]

Sorry to thread-jack, but this:

"So, I put the dog outside for the rest of his life" --

bugged me. That dog, esp. considering his size, will be miserable being outside and away from his humans for nearly his whole life. He is just as much protection when inside the house.

[Grimmlok]

Originally Posted by tkdgirl

But you're assuming because you were safe during the blackout that you were untouchable. That's a pretty big assumption.

I don't think its too late at all for this country.

I didn't say untouchable, but with an absence of roving gangs armed with guns the chance that I would get shot by a roving gang armed with guns was almost nil.

Originally Posted by ManxMouse

Sorry to thread-jack, but this:

"So, I put the dog outside for the rest of his life" --

bugged me. That dog, esp. considering his size, will be miserable being outside and away from his humans for nearly his whole life. He is just as much protection when inside the house.

Um yeah, dogs are pack animals.. they need to be close to their pack. You can't just leave a dog outside without socialization.

[mintjelly]

Originally Posted by Grimmlok

Well gee, seems to work in every other country that bans handguns LOL

A much lower crime rate, safer cities, less murders..

Thank you.

[turtlex]

Originally Posted by ManxMouse

Sorry to thread-jack, but this:

"So, I put the dog outside for the rest of his life" --

bugged me. That dog, esp. considering his size, will be miserable being outside and away from his humans for nearly his whole life. He is just as much protection when inside the house.

I think you took me a bit too literally! I was being facetious, mostly for the sake of dark humor. Of course Max comes in when he wants to -- he has a very large self-service dog door. However, during working hours (10-5) he's usually outside observing the neighborhood by the front gate, barking at the nearest fool running a weedeater, or sleeping with his head inside his food bucket (best not to ask). He goes out when he wants to, and appears to prefer life outside during the day. Probably because I have three indoor cats who don't like to play with him and outside is more entertaining than inside -- after all, he can't sonically torture the lawn people from indoors.

[Bellatheball]

Last time I checked, she made at least a few movies that focused specifically on outrageous violence and that doesn't even include her use of guns. IF she's so worried about it, how bout making movies of another genre?