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Old May 16th, 2009, 10:14 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I would like details too. Because if she was well taken care of in the hospital and she was taken there in good time, she still died at the age of 26 ... so???
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Old May 16th, 2009, 10:19 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Interesting article although the account of Harlow's death is crap and is a well known urban legend. Here is the real account:Quote:
Many myths have swirled around Harlow's death, and it was not until the early 1990s that her long-sealed medical records were uncovered. Legend had it that Harlow's mother, a follower of Christian Science, prevented doctors from attending to her dying daughter, but this myth has been disproved: records show that Harlow received constant medical attention. Other long-standing myths, such as the suggestion that Harlow's kidneys were damaged in a beating from husband Paul Bern or that bleach from her hair seeped into her brain and killed her, are also untrue.
Not being pick but that tells what she didn't die of, not what she did.... just that she recived medical attention.... did she die of gallbladder problem?



Plus the hubby thing- another death covered up by the studio system.
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Old May 16th, 2009, 10:46 AM   #18 (permalink)
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ok... this could be pretty long, so sit down.

Jean Harlow was your typical hollywood story, you can be sure of that. Her mother was the worst you can think of, and more. It's all true what the article say about Jean (mom) selling out Baby (daughter) to everyone who could advance her and her career, her mother tried to live trough her daughter. It's very funny and bitter to think 'Baby Harlean' as they called her, got to be famous with her mother's maiden name, Jean Harlow. It shows you who really was the one who wanted to get out there.
What I find misleading in the article originally posted is that Jean Harlow is pictured as a 'sexy/bombshell kind of girl in her real life as well. The 'she didn't wear a bra' thing..... but she was far from that. Baby or Harlean, the one who lived off screen, was a girl who didn't know where she was going, what she wanted from life. She had no idea, and let others believe the easiest assumptions. She played with the sexual image, but truth is that she probably not even enjoyed sex that much, because she wasn't 'free' enough to allow herself to feel sexual pleasure. Sex was money to her, something to buy things you need to, to go on in life and career. All of her love stories show that, she had a romantic vision of what love would be like, and you'd think her a girl who had just read a bunch of novels and expected these novel to happen in real life as well. Harlean had also a penchant for writing, she wrote poems as a girl and then a book called Today is tonight. The main female character in Today is Tonight is an ordinary girl, who works her butt off to please her husband when he has an accident that leaves him blind. There's nothing in this character that reminds of you the sassy females that made Jean Harlow famous, and Harlean thought that being the ordinary house wife would be fab. The only time she managed to choose a script for herself, it was a disastrous sad movie about poor families and workers striking. She was completely mesmerized by the fact that her character, Hattie, was a brunette.

Also something totally wrong stated in the article is that her step father, Marino Bello, was a gangster. No way, really no way. Marino was a shallow human being, fitting the stereotype of Italian Americans, the worst stereotype possible. He embarked in a series of economic enterprises with no future, all of these with harlow's money. In 1936 he got LOTS of money from Harlow to invest in a 'mine'. Not Jean nor her mother were bright enough to check on him, but Bill Powell was. He had an investigation on Bello and as a result of this, Mama Jean and Marino were divorced. The investigation didn't give Harlow her money back though, and from that moment she and her mother had to drastically downplay their life styles, they also moved from a big white beverly hills mansion to a modest cottage with just one maid

Also another ridiculous no sense in the article is that the 'beating' from Bern left her permanent marks. First, Bern DID NOT beat her, this is a hollywood myth (on the subject besides Stenn's Bombshell, who is very accurate indeed, you can check what Irene Mayer Selznick, wife of David and good friend of both Jean and Bern has to say, with much frankness) and Jean's health problems started with an abortion at early age, but most especially when she got two wisdom teeth extracted, she nearly died on the operatory table, and there was indeed something wrong with the way her blood coagulated. That was when her kidney started deteriorating. In the year before her death she got sunburned more the once (a clear sign of her kidneys not working) and had an almost permanent flu/dizziness. Kidneys do deteriorate very slowly, and in 1937 no one had really the power to understand what was happening to her. She would have eventually died even if she had been taken care of at the right moment.
Dr Chapman who knew her exact medical history didn't visit her in the last year of her life, he had a over jealous wife who was totally convinced Harlow was having an affair with her husband. It was only when Mother Jean called Dr Chapman begging him to come over 'to see the baby' that he finally got to Harlow. As soon as he saw her he just said "Baby is dying". So it wasn't Gable nor Powell who 'rushed' Harlow to the hospital. An ambulance was called and the paramedics tried to re animate her,b but she was already in a coma. They brought her to the hospital just because Mama Jean though, and she was the only one, that baby could still be saved.

The image of Mama Jean crying, saying that her daughter was 'faking' her illness, rambling about her Christian Science faith, is pure hollywood myth. This never happened. The only concern that Mama Jean had was that the public might have discovered her Baby was an alcoholic. Harlow had totally devoted herself to booze in the last couple of years of her life, the relationship with Bill Powell was going nowhere ( she wanted marriage and kids, he wanted none, cause had already done all that and failed) her career wasn't really what she hoped her, and although being only in her mid 20s she felt the pressure of 'getting older'. Booze was her constant companion to forget the mess her life was, and her mother was totally afraid of this. Harlow was inclined to be violent and sarcastic when drunk, telling her mother that she had used her and lots of thing along these lines that she would never ever dared to say when sober. Myrna Loy talks about this in her excellent autobiography called Being and Becoming

One last thing: David Bret writes pure trash. Both his Gable and Crawford biographies were full of the greatest inaccuracies, things that could have been resolved just by checking IMDB. He tends to dramatize events to make them appear more modern, more new hollywood if you know what I mean. I'm sorry to hear that such a complicated story as that of Jean Harlow had to fall into his hands.
Again read David Stenn if you're interested in the real deal, he makes of Harlow not a saint nor a bitch, but the flawed, childish, unlucky but brilliant girl that she was


PS I'm sorry about my english, I'm italian so forgive me any mistakes

PS 2 She officially died by uremic poising, aka kidney failure
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Old May 16th, 2009, 10:52 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Thank you for the information. It's a sad story.
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Old May 16th, 2009, 11:03 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Your english is great, thanks for the story.
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Old May 16th, 2009, 11:08 AM   #21 (permalink)
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this is pretty interesting. I dare say I'm an expert on the Harlow since she (together with carole lombard) has been the subject of my own PhD Thesis, but there are some inaccuracies written here. To anyone who's interested in Harlow and/or in reading an incredibly good book, I reccomend David Stenn's Bombshell, you can get from amazon and won't regret it, it's an extraordinary tale
I read that book and loved it. Poor Jean may have had a somewhat difficult life, but far from the lurid and tawdry shit so many people accused her of. Those two movies about her starring Carroll Baker and Carol Lynley didn't help either. They were awful.
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Old May 16th, 2009, 11:15 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Those two movies about her starring Carroll Baker and Carol Lynley didn't help either. They were awful.
you're totally right. These movies were downright trash, and I'll never forget how weird it was to see Ginger Rogers as Mama Jean. The movies derived directly from Irving Shulman's Harlow, which is the biggest piece of trash ever written on an actress/woman in general. I remember reading that screenwriter Adela Rogers St John confronted Irving Shulman on Tv in 1964, when the book was published, and wanted to physically hit him
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Old May 16th, 2009, 11:38 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Harlow was such a terrible movie. Almost not a word of it was true.

I can't believe the article assumes we don't know who she is >

Thirding that Bombshell was an excellent, if sad, book.
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Old May 16th, 2009, 01:20 PM   #24 (permalink)
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A doctor was called and smelled not gin on her breath as everyone expected but urine. It was a sign of a gall-bladder infection.
This is not medically true. That smell is actually characteristic of a renal/kidney infection, not a gall-bladder infection.
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Old May 16th, 2009, 01:35 PM   #25 (permalink)
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This is not medically true. That smell is actually characteristic of a renal/kidney infection, not a gall-bladder infection.
Kidney infections don't cause urine/ammonia breath, kidney failure does.
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Old May 16th, 2009, 02:01 PM   #26 (permalink)
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you're totally right. These movies were downright trash, and I'll never forget how weird it was to see Ginger Rogers as Mama Jean. The movies derived directly from Irving Shulman's Harlow, which is the biggest piece of trash ever written on an actress/woman in general. I remember reading that screenwriter Adela Rogers St John confronted Irving Shulman on Tv in 1964, when the book was published, and wanted to physically hit him
She should have hit him - and hard.

I can't stand Ginger Rogers - I always thought she was a lousy actress. And Jean was one of her contemporaries - she should have known better. But I guess like a lot of the aging leading ladies back then, she probably needed the work.
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I've always been fascinated by Harlow. I love movies from the 30's. I'm going to read the book everyone recommended.
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I've always been fascinated by Harlow. I love movies from the 30's. I'm going to read the book everyone recommended.
I love those pics of her by George Hurrell - photography as true art, they are fantastic:

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PS I'm sorry about my english, I'm italian so forgive me any mistakes.
Thanks for sharing all that - it was very interesting. And your English is great. I never would've known it wasn't your native language if you hadn't said so.

I think the Jean Harlows of yesteryear were just as brokedown as the Britneys, Parises, and Lindseys of today - they just dressed better and looked cleaner back then.
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Thanks for sharing all that - it was very interesting. And your English is great. I never would've known it wasn't your native language if you hadn't said so.

I think the Jean Harlows of yesteryear were just as brokedown as the Britneys, Parises, and Lindseys of today - they just dressed better and looked cleaner back then.
And this was before the Internet, so the spin doctors were better able to control/suppress anything even remotely resembling scandal.
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