Jay Cutler And Wife Kristin Cavallari Come Out As Vaccine Truthers

**witchcurlgirl** · March 17th, 2014, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by MmeVertigina

I was asking Quazar if that is what she was referring to as far as having rights to choose what is best for us, and also having rights to defend oneself in court if those rights are being manipulated. See the link on the prior page as far as payout by the vaccine court.

facts are stubborn things- they have paid out more than the 250K in your link, if that is what you are referring to :

David Kirby: Vaccine Court Awards Millions to Two Children With Autism

New Jersy Girl Gets $4.7 Million For Vaccine Injuries

Family to Receive $1.5M+ in First-Ever Vaccine-Autism Court Award - CBS News

**brindle** · March 17th, 2014, 06:17 PM

I'm brand new to this forum and I joined primarily to touch on this delicate subject (although I have been lurking for quite some time : ).
My Aunty was 15 when she died from diphtheria. She is the last known death via diphtheria in Central Canada and, from what I understand, all of Canada. She was not vaccinated.
Not only did my Aunty pass away in the prime of her life, but my grandparents and all of her sisters/one brother all got diphtheria as well. My grandma had to go to her own daughter's funeral alone because everyone else was still in the hospital. My mother almost died and my uncle almost died.

I'm 27 and have two children. Both were vaccinated. My daughter is 7 and was diagnosed with autism at the age of 2. The question has been asked of me several times- would you still have vaccinated knowing what you know now? I answer that I would rather have an autistic child then a dead child.
Yes there is a remote chance of vaccines doing harm, however, there is no proof that it causes autism. Is it possible that vaccines exacerbate an already existing or underlying condition..? Perhaps. Still no concrete proof.
My daughter is autistic. We have difficulties due to her condition. Many will not accept her or try to understand her. But she is ALIVE where my Aunty is not. I can guaranfuckingtee you that she is happy to exist.
I stand firmly behind vaccinating. FIRMLY.

Sorry for soapboxing a bit. I'm passionate.

***Kat*** · March 17th, 2014, 06:22 PM

'Guaranfuckingtee' is my new favorite word.

**sprynkles** · March 17th, 2014, 08:40 PM

Thank you for sharing that Brindle. It sounds like you are gratefully handling your challenge, with grace.

**brindle** · March 17th, 2014, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by sprynkles

Thank you for sharing that Brindle. It sounds like you are gratefully handling your challenge, with grace.

It was a challenge to accept something/someone so unique but... it is getting easier the more I get into her head. Love her to pieces

**MmeVertigina** · March 17th, 2014, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl

facts are stubborn things- they have paid out more than the 250K in your link, if that is what you are referring to :

David Kirby: Vaccine Court Awards Millions to Two Children With Autism

New Jersy Girl Gets $4.7 Million For Vaccine Injuries

Family to Receive $1.5M+ in First-Ever Vaccine-Autism Court Award - CBS News

No, the child mentioned in my link died.

In this case, the child's estate received $250,000, the maximum award for a vaccine-related death, but far less than the damages typically awarded to heirs in a wrongful-death suit.

Parents can't sue vaccine manufacturers - SFGate I feel for that family. I posted that link for Quazar because it mentioned the vaccine court, I wasn't sure if she knew about it at the time as she was citing the Supreme Court's ruling. This is all making my head ache.

In any case, opinions are strongly influenced by experience, my opinion (based on my experience) would be to be very careful of the rights that you sign away because if there ever comes a time when you do need to invoke them, they may be gone.

Can someone please start a thread on raw milk next, that's always a riot.

**flummoxed** · March 18th, 2014, 12:22 AM

To MME V - While secondhand smoke may be deeply problematic for YOUR child, it does not pose the same cross-population public health threats that viral outbreak poses. Not even remotely comparable.

**Bellatheball** · March 18th, 2014, 01:49 AM

Originally Posted by sputnik

how many people used to die or suffer lifelong disabilities from the diseases that these vaccines have all but eradicated?
how many kids every year end up with severe brain damage because of adverse reactions to vaccines?
exactly.

this is one case where the greater good wins.

Except when you become a parent, your worries and fears about your child trumps "the greater good." Like it or not, parents get to choose what is best for their own kids.

**McJag** · March 18th, 2014, 02:29 AM

And we all have to deal with it.

**MsDark** · March 18th, 2014, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by Bellatheball

Except when you become a parent, your worries and fears about your child trumps "the greater good." Like it or not, parents get to choose what is best for their own kids.

As a parent, I understand these feelings. But here's where I don't agree. Bottom line in this instance, your choice affects my child. And me.

**witchcurlgirl** · March 18th, 2014, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by MmeVertigina

No, the child mentioned in my link died. Parents can't sue vaccine manufacturers - SFGate I feel for that family.
Can someone please start a thread on raw milk next, that's always a riot.

I think we all feel for that family.

And raw milk is completely different, it's a choice that doesn't affect others.

**70sRock** · March 18th, 2014, 08:14 AM

Things you try not to think about too much after learning your child is on the autism spectrum disorder:
- Was it the vaccine?
- Would it have helped if I had spaced out his vaccinations? (too little too late as the concept wasn't available in the early 90's)
- Does my child have an immune disorder from the toxins in our particular environment?
- Did I give him too much acetaminophen because he suffered from ear infections?
- Is it because of my genes? Uncle Walter sure was crazy but it must have been his dad's gene-pool because you can't even diagnose those nuts!

Once you have an autistic kid it's far more productive to fight for the appropriate education. It doesn't come easy and fretting about how it happened at that point is a waste of passion and energy imo.

I've read the intricacies about thimerosal in vaccines and how the formulas changed to make vaccines supposedly safe. No one has the answers, everyone should make an educated and careful decision. When my child was vaccinated I trusted the doctor and the medicine. I would choose to spread out the vaccinations if I had to do it over again.

In other news this new mystery virus acts like polio but strikes children who have been vaccinated:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyl...YnN/story.html

**brindle** · March 18th, 2014, 08:58 AM

In an ideal world, vaccines wouldn't be necessary. I mean, what parent honestly WANTS to inject unknown crap into their child? This world ISN'T ideal!
Choosing vaccinations is choosing the lesser of two evils (IMO).
My grandma still cries over her loss and that loss happened almost 40 years ago. Ask her if you should vaccinate...

The thing about NOT immunizing your children is- you put many other children at risk. So it ISN'T just a personal decision. I feel that it is a public safety issue...

**witchcurlgirl** · March 18th, 2014, 06:56 PM

And now we have 28 confirmed mumps cases at Ohio State University......

**tulip** · March 18th, 2014, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by brindle

I'm brand new to this forum and I joined primarily to touch on this delicate subject (although I have been lurking for quite some time : ).
My Aunty was 15 when she died from diphtheria. She is the last known death via diphtheria in Central Canada and, from what I understand, all of Canada. She was not vaccinated.
Not only did my Aunty pass away in the prime of her life, but my grandparents and all of her sisters/one brother all got diphtheria as well. My grandma had to go to her own daughter's funeral alone because everyone else was still in the hospital. My mother almost died and my uncle almost died.

I'm 27 and have two children. Both were vaccinated. My daughter is 7 and was diagnosed with autism at the age of 2. The question has been asked of me several times- would you still have vaccinated knowing what you know now? I answer that I would rather have an autistic child then a dead child.
Yes there is a remote chance of vaccines doing harm, however, there is no proof that it causes autism. Is it possible that vaccines exacerbate an already existing or underlying condition..? Perhaps. Still no concrete proof.
My daughter is autistic. We have difficulties due to her condition. Many will not accept her or try to understand her. But she is ALIVE where my Aunty is not. I can guaranfuckingtee you that she is happy to exist.
I stand firmly behind vaccinating. FIRMLY.

Sorry for soapboxing a bit. I'm passionate.

I hear you! Autism is not the worst thing that can happen to a child. Death would be. My son would not be who he is without autism. It is a part of him, but it is not all of him. He is my son and I love him unconditionally. We need to stop viewing children with special needs as less. They are simply different. We're all different and we all have some issue to deal with. Some are greater than others.