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    Does anyone know why Giuliano Mignini, the prosecutor, changed the time of death from around 9:00 p.m. to 11:30 p.m.? I ask because it is near impossible, barring an extreme pathology, that Kercher died even after 9:30 p.m. According to testimony, she had her last meal between 6:00 p.m. and 6:30 p.m. Her last meal was sitting in her stomach when the autopsy was done.

    It was testified that Sollecito and Knox were in his apartment at 8:40 p.m. There was activity on Sollecito's computer at 9:10 p.m. and low level data recovery consultants found that his computer was used to play Naruto, episode 1, at 9:26 p.m. We would not have known this if it were not for them because the police officers had destroyed 4 of Sollecito's hard drives. Given how much focus it takes to destroy a hard drive circuitry, I have to wonder what they were thinking when they were doing this.

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    I think it was due to waiting a long time to take her body temp. They had to change the time to fit with the results of their incompetence. (IIRC)


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    Meredith Kercher killer freed from prison to study after serving just six years of his sentence


    • Rudey Guede is serving a 16 year sentence for murder and sexual assault
    • Allowed out on day release to study History at university near Perugia
    • Eligible as he has been a model prisoner with no incidents of misbehaviour
    • He insists Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito are guilty of the murder

    PUBLISHED: 00:10 EST, 11 February 2014 | UPDATED: 00:10 EST, 11 February 2014

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    Free to study: Rudy Guede is being allowed out of prison after serving just six years of sentence for the murder of Meredith Kercher

    The drifter convicted for the killing of Meredith Kercher has insisted Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito are guilty of her murder, as it was revealed he is being allowed to leave prison to study for a degree.

    Rudey Guede, 27, who is serving a 16 year jail sentence for the murder and sexual assault of Meredith, spoke out as it emerged he is now eligible for day release after serving just six years of his sentence.

    Because of the Italian legal system Guede is entitled to early release as he has served almost half his sentence - and has been a model prisoner with no incidents of misbehaviour during his time in prison, the Daily Mirror reports.

    In a letter to his lawyer Walter Biscotti, he said: ‘I want to underline that the people who committed this terrible crime are still free and that the truth has still not emerged and that it will never be found, especially if people continue to listen to false testimony and liars.

    ‘All I have heard is lies and a distortion of the facts especially when it comes to my character. The judiciary must seek to establish the truth because that night I did not kill anyone and the people responsible for what happened that tragic night are still free.

    ‘The court still insists that I was guilty of sexual assault but I did not commit that crime and even the autopsy proves that. This is a painful episode for me and for Meredith’s family. I am seen as the ideal guilty person but I had nothing to do with this.’

    Guede was initially convicted under a fast track trial in 2008 and sentenced to 30 years in jail for Meredith’s murder and sexual assault but this was later reduced to 16 years on appeal.
    During his trial he admitted being at the murder scene but he insisted he had been in the toilet at the time Meredith was attacked, and that he emerged to see ‘someone resembling Sollecito’ fleeing the scene and ‘Knox outside the house’ where the murder took place in Perugia in November 2007.


    British student Meredith Kercher was found with her throat cut in her bedroom in the central Italian city of Perugia. Rudy Guede was found guilty of murder and sexual assault

    DNA tests established Guede was at the scene after his fingerprints were found in Meredith’s blood and he was also identified from a faeces specimen found in a toilet at the house.

    He told the court that convicted him that he had found Meredith bleeding to death and then tried to save her by stemming a wound to her neck but then fled as he relaised she was dying.
    Last night Guede’s lawyer Valter Biscotti confirmed that Guede was now eligible for parole and had been given permission to study at an undisclosed university near Perugia but he had not yet left prison to take up his place on the course.

    He said: ‘Rudy can go out of prison for several hours at a time now and that’s the law all over Italy. He spends his days studying history.

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    Raffaele Sollecito has been ordered to serve 25 years and Amanda Knox 28 years after a judge upheld their original guilty verdicts for the murder of Meredith Kercher


    'He spends some hours with a teacher, we don’t want to say where he is because he will get swamped by people from all over the world.

    ‘At the moment he’s not going out. But he can if he wants to, he just has to make an application.

    Last month an appeal court in Florence upheld the original murder convictions on Knox and Sollecito and a judge ordered that she serve 28 years while he was given 25 years - although neither sentence has been enforced as a further appeal stage has to be concluded.

    Both Knox and Sollecito have insisted they are innocent and have blamed Guede for the murder with Sollecito saying: ‘There is no evidence of me or Amanda at the scene while Guede’s DNA is everywhere.’




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    Clinical law professor, Steve Drizin, believes that Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito are innocent. He specializes in wrongful convictions and false confessions. Hannah Riley, his co-author, works for the Innocence Project. His op-ed is worth reading.

    Knox and Sollecito: Victims of a Prosecutor's 'Conspiracy Theories' to Explain Away DNAÂ*|&nbspSteve Drizin

    Knox and Sollecito: Victims of a Prosecutor's 'Conspiracy Theories' to Explain Away DNA

    Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito are innocent of Meredith Kercher's murder. Rudy Guede sexually assaulted and killed Kercher after she came upon him burglarizing the house she shared with Knox and two other young women. The easiest way for us to clarify their innocence is to examine the case in the context of our work on false confessions and the lessons we have learned from working in the Innocence Movement.



    In the annals of false confessions, there are only two other cases that rival the Knox case: the Billy Wayne Cope case and the Norfolk Four case. These three are the only rape-murder cases in which prosecutors continued to pursue convictions against an original suspect who "confessed" even after DNA testing conducted before trial matched to a different person who had little or no connection to the original suspects. When such DNA evidence surfaces before trial, prosecutors almost always drop charges against the original suspects and pursue the man whose DNA is a match. That the prosecutors in these cases didn't and that juries convicted Knox, Sollecito, the Norfolk Four, and Cope speaks to the power of confession evidence to blind them to the truth.

    Cope confessed to murdering and sexually assaulting his 12-year-old daughter in her bed in Rock Hill, South Carolina in November, 2001. Nine months after his arrest, DNA testing of semen and saliva found on Cope's daughter matched to James Sanders, a recently released North Carolina inmate who, upon his release, went on a crime spree in which he sexually assaulted or attempted to rape four other women in Rock Hill. Sanders's modus operandi was always the same -- he always broke into homes at night without leaving signs of forced entry and he never worked with an accomplice.

    The DNA match did not deter prosecutors. They pressed on, arguing to the jury that the two men "must have met" and persuaded the jury to convict both men on the theory that Cope "served up his daughter for his and ... Sanders's own perverse pleasures" -- even though Cope never mentioned Sanders in his confessions. Cope was convicted and sentenced to life without parole. Today, he remains in prison while he seeks a new trial based on the fact that Cope's jury was not allowed to hear evidence of Sanders's contemporaneous crime spree or his jailhouse confession to another inmate that he killed the "girl in Rock Hill."

    The Norfolk Four were four Navy seamen -- Danial Williams, Joseph Dick, Eric Wilson, and Derek Tice -- who confessed to participating in the rape and murder of Michelle Bosko in July 1997. Williams, a neighbor, confessed first, but his DNA did not match DNA found at the crime scene. Authorities then interrogated Joseph Dick, Williams' roommate, who confessed and also implicated Williams. When Dick's DNA did not match, the authorities again pressured the malleable Dick to name his accomplice. This time, Dick named Eric Wilson. Wilson confessed to raping Bosko, but leaving before she was killed. When Wilson's DNA did not match, Dick then identified Derek Tice. After a lengthy interrogation, Tice eventually confessed and named three other men who refused to confess. All seven men were charged with the rape and murder despite the fact that the DNA found on the victim was not theirs.

    The case should have come to an end when Omar Ballard, who knew the Boskos, wrote a letter from prison to a friend in which he confessed to the killing. Ballard's DNA was a match. Two weeks before Michelle's murder, Ballard had assaulted a woman who lived down the street from Michelle and two weeks after her murder, he went on to rape a 14-year-old girl. Ballard told the police that he committed the crime by himself, but instead of dismissing the charges, the authorities pivoted and pressured Dick once again to change his story. Now, Dick said that Ballard was part of the group that gang-raped and killed Michelle. Eventually, Ballard, Tice, Dick and Williams were convicted of murder and rape and Wilson was convicted only of rape. Today, the Norfolk Four are out of prison -- thanks to a commutation of their sentences by Virginia Governor Tim Kaine -- but they still have to live with the yoke of their convictions and register as sex offenders.

    Knox's case is, in some ways, even more outrageous than those of Cope and the Norfolk Four. Those men all gave detailed confessions to police during hours of unrecorded interrogations. Knox, however, never confessed to murder. She told the police -- after more than 24 hours of interrogation in a language she barely knew -- that she had invited her boss, Patrick Lumumba, back to her house and that Lumumba went into Kercher's room to have sex with her. Knox claimed she was in the kitchen and ran out of the house when she heard screams. Knox never mentioned Guede in her statements. In fact, she never mentioned Sollecito. Guede, however, cleared Knox shortly after the murder. While Guede was on the run in Germany after the crime, the Italian authorities arranged for one of his friends to call Guede via Skype. On this call -- which was surreptitiously recorded -- Guede told his friend that "Amanda had nothing to do with it."

    Prosecutors in the Knox case could not even settle on a "conspiracy theory." At first, they suggested that Knox orchestrated a group-sex game that got out of control. Prosecutors simply invented this theory to give the jury a salacious motive and the press some sensationalist headlines to print. This became clear when prosecutors abandoned it in later appeals, switching to the equally implausible theory that Knox wanted Kercher dead because Kercher had complained about how messy she was.

    Some, like Professor Alan Dershowitz, have suggested that Knox must be guilty because she implicated an innocent man -- Lumumba -- when she "confessed" to the authorities. But in the annals of false confessions, innocent false confessors frequently implicate other innocents. Just ask Chris Ochoa, a Texas high school honor student who named his best friend William Danziger as his accomplice in the rape and murder of a young woman in Texas. Ochoa even testified against Danziger at Danziger's trial. Both of them spent more than a decade in prison before DNA evidence proved that a rapist and killer named Achim Marino committed the crime. The fact that Ochoa caved into police pressure and named his best friend does not make him any less innocent, or Marino any less guilty. The Beatrice Six, the Central Park Five, the Dixmoor Five, the Englewood Four, and the Norfolk Four are other cases in which multiple defendants falsely implicated other innocent men and women in their own false confessions.

    This pattern is no accident. Police are trained to suggest "themes" to suspects that minimize the suspects' roles and blame others for the crime. It was the police who suggested Lumumba to Knox when they misinterpreted a text message she had sent in him in Italian ("see you later") to mean that the two had planned to meet later on the evening of the murder. We suspect that the police contaminated her statement by feeding her Lumumba's name and that Knox simply bowed to their pressure to implicate him.

    Once the DNA matched Guede (and after he admitted Knox was innocent via Skype), the authorities should have released Knox and Sollecito and focused their sole attention on Guede, who, like Ballard and Sanders, was a lone-wolf predator. But police tunnel vision and confirmation bias took over. Tunnel vision transpires when police lock onto a theory of how a crime occurred, thereby blinding themselves to other alternatives. Confirmation bias causes them to interpret evidence in ways that support their theory and to ignore or reject evidence that does not.

    Unfortunately, for Knox and Sollecito, tunnel vision and confirmation biases are human conditions which mean that judges and juries experience them, especially in cases where confessions are involved. For years, judges and jury members have taken confessions as the gospel truth because they cannot accept that someone would ever confess to a crime -- especially a murder or rape -- that they did not commit. The truth is that there have been hundreds of proven false confessions discovered in the post-DNA age and over 80 percent of them have been in murder cases.

    The hopes and fates of Knox, Sollecito, the Norfolk Four, and Billy Wayne Cope now depend on the willingness of Italian and American authorities and courts to learn what the U.S. Supreme Court recognized in Corley v. United States in 2009: The pressures of police interrogations are so immense that they can induce "a frighteningly high percentage of false confessions."

    There's a second lesson that they must also learn: When DNA evidence tells a different story than a confession, the DNA should trump the confession. That's why DNA is the gold standard. Confessions, however, are often no more than "Fool's gold."

    Finally, perhaps the most enduring lesson from the study of wrongful conviction cases is that convictions are on shaky ground when prosecutors have to invent "conspiracy theories" in order to save them or are constantly switching theories to explain away DNA.
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    Raffaele Sollecito questions Amanda Knox’s bizarre behavior: did he turn on her?


    In January, Amanda Knox
    was convicted for a second time of murdering her roommate Meredith Kercher. Amanda’s former boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito was in the courtroom when the second verdict came in, and apparently there’s now a hold on Sollecito’s]passportand he is unable to travel abroad. I’ve heard some ]stories, some tabloid reports, that Sollecito was interested (last year, I guess) in traveling to America with the hopes of never having to deal with the Italian justice system again. There were storiesthat he contacted Amanda and asked for her help and that she didn’t help him. I don’t know if that’s true. But what I do know is that Sollecito seems a bit more eager to throw Amanda under the bus these days. Throughout it all, Sollecito and Knox’s stories have been nearly identical, and while Sollecito isn’t changing his story now, he is throwing some shade on Amanda’s actions:


    Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito had been dating for about a week when they were arrested for the murder of British exchange student Meredith Kercher in 2007. But despite the fact that they barely knew each other, they each refused to turn on each other, potentially in exchange for a plea deal — until now. Facing 25 years in prison after being found guilty of Kercher’s murder in a re-trial, Sollecito has spoken out for the first time about the “questions” he has regarding Knox’s innocence.


    Sollecito recently admitted on Italian TV that he’s still haunted by Knox’s behavior in the hours before Kercher’s body was found: Specifically, he claimed that she went home to shower after leaving his apartment and was noticeably agitated when she returned hours later with claims her front door had been broken in.


    “Certainly I asked her questions,” Sollecito said. “Why did you take a shower? Why did she spend so much time there?”


    Seven years later, he says, “I don’t have answers.”


    Today show legal analyst Lisa Bloom said in a segment this morning, “I think he’s distancing himself from her. He’s saying there’s some evidence that applies to her that doesn’t apply to him.’ Why the change of heart? Last year [he told Savannah Guthrie], “The real facts are that we are innocent.”


    And in his book, Honor Bound, he claimed that he had turned down several opportunities to betray Knox in exchange for his release from prison in the early days of their trial. But as Radar has reported, the two have grown distant due to Knox’s relationship with boyfriend James Terrano, which she cited as a reason for turning down Sollecito’s desperate marriage proposal last year.


    Another woman to whom he proposed the green card scheme, Kelsey Kay, told Radar that he had called Knox an “evil b*tch” when she wouldn’t help him flee to the U.S. and escape justice in Italy.


    In a post on her blog earlier this month, Knox insisted that despite the perception that “Raffaele and his defense attorneys have finally betrayed their resentment and started to put distance between him and me legally and personally … that is not the case.”


    She shared a snippet of an email from him that read, “I don’t want to be punished for nor have to continue to justify those things that regard you and not me. Obviously the evidence demonstrates both of our innocence, but it seems that for the judges and the people this objectivity is of no importance.”

    [From Radar]


    Well, Sollecito has a new ]girlfriend
    too, so I doubt he’s really upset with Amanda fordating someone else. I do think that Sollecito is in a dangerous position and that he’s struggling to stick to the story (which really does seem like the truth) while also letting the prosecutors know that if Amanda is guilty of something (obstruction of justice, perhaps), that’s not on him. I think it’s remarkable that Sollecito and Knox haven’t turned on each other before now, and I don’t even consider this “turning on each other.”Because, seriously, why was she acting so bizarrely?

    Cele|bitchy | Raffaele Sollecito questions Amanda Knox’s bizarre behavior: did he turn on her?

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    Celrbitchy needs to update their info, he travelled to the Us, we'll known factoid.

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    IIRC, he actually came over to Seattle and visited twice. I've noticed a lot lately that CB has developed a habit of posing questions like that, without just doing the basic research. They're getting worse and worse in their "reporting."

    Anyway, taking a shower the next morning at your house, after sex at the BF's, is not even remotely bizarre behavior. He's really reaching with that one.

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    I think he's saying what is bizarre is how she acted when she got back. She had noticed the door was opened, and was obviously nervous about it when telling him, but yet she took the shower.

    Wasn't there something about her calling her mom, too, and saying she was freaked out about the open door? Yet she still went in, got naked, took a shower, got dressed, etc before leaving and without checking anything out.

    I'm one of the people who think there wasn't / isn't enough to convict her, but I do find it weird that one would see something suspicious, get nervous, but stay.
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    Oh ho,little shit started singing..lol.It might get interesting now..he faces jail and she makes money across the ocean.Of course he,s not going to like it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CL** View Post
    IIRC, he actually came over to Seattle and visited twice. I've noticed a lot lately that CB has developed a habit of posing questions like that, without just doing the basic research. They're getting worse and worse in their "reporting."

    Anyway, taking a shower the next morning at your house, after sex at the BF's, is not even remotely bizarre behavior. He's really reaching with that one.
    He's saying that she went back home to where Meradith was murdered and showered.....

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    And he wasn't there of course. Wonder what her PR will tell her to say? That's right, nothing, because she mustn't be too specific!
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