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    Yeah,she is innocent...her and the Mc Canns..
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    I am curious, for people who think she is guilty, are you buying the prosecution's theories about why she did it? Or do you think she had other motivations for such a brutal crime that came with so many risks and seems to be against her character (no prior violent offenses etc.)?

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    what is the prosecution's theory anyway? that Knox and her boyfriend colluded with a local criminal in a satanic ritual wherein the local criminal raped Kerchner and then took a shit, didn't flush, and then Knox and boyfriend go get high and then come back and phone in a burglary because, uh, they're satanists and that's what satanists do. And probably the satanic ritual is why local criminal's DNA was everywhere (including inside the victim and in the toilet bowl in the unflushed dookie) while Knox's DNA is possibly on a knife, but Kerchner's DNA is nowhere on Knox or boyfriend.



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    Something like that. ^ And then there is a new theory for this new trial, I think.

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    Another thing that I think is dismaying, and the prosecutor Mignini volunteered it in this Rolling Stone interview (The Neverending Nightmare of Amanda Knox | Culture News | Rolling Stone), was that the temperature of Kercher's body wasn't taken until two days after her murder. The problem with that is that it created a larger window of time of death than would have been obtained if they had done it when Mignini asked for it. As a result, the estimate was that she died between 8 pm and 4 am. The estimate that she could have died later (due to the temperature estimates) negated the very obvious and substantiated alibi that Knox and Sollecito had for the time period up until about 9:15 pm.

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    Shameless in Seattle: Foxy Knoxy's brazen TV charm offensive to escape extradition for murder of British student


    • Amanda Knox made a defiant appearance on ABC's Good Morning America
    • Refused to return to Italy after being found guilty again of the murder of British student Meredith Kercher
    • Spoke of her shock at the verdict and her fears for Raffaele Sollecito
    • Lawyers for Knox and Sollecito vowed to appeal to Italy's highest court, a process that will take at least a year and start a length extradition battle
    • Harvard law professor says if appeal fails the U.S. will have to extradite her
    • Meredith's siblings were present for the verdict in Florence at court
    • Stephanie Kercher today said the family is 'still on a journey for the truth'


    By TOM LEONARD and HANNAH ROBERTS IN FLORENCE

    PUBLISHED: 22:07, 31 January 2014 | UPDATED: 22:13, 31 January 2014



    Amanda Knox yesterday begged her fellow Americans to help save her from extradition.
    Hours after an Italian court convicted her for a second time of killing British student Meredith Kercher, the 26-year-old made an emotional – but defiant – TV appearance.
    Asked on ABC’s Good Morning America whether she was prepared to return to Italy, she insisted: ‘I’m not.’

    Her fawning interviewer held her hand and plugged her book, saying readers would ‘really learn more about Amanda Knox’.


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    First interview: Amanda Knox became emotional as she appeared in her first live interview on Good Morning America since her shock guilty verdict was announced on Thursday. She said she will fight the verdict

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    Answers: Amanda Knox appeared on Good Morning saying she has gone through 'waves of emotion' in response to the verdict

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    Emotional: She said she feared for her ex-boyfriend, Raffaele Sollecito, who was also found guilty on Thursday

    'It hit me like a train': Amanda Knox speaks after guilty verdict








    The stunt continues a shameless charm offensive that began in her home city of Seattle with soft soap chats with the Guardian and BBC.
    Having vowed she would have to be dragged ‘kicking and screaming’ back to Italy, Knox’s fate is largely in the hands of the US public which has so far been largely supportive.
    With any attempt to extradite her needing to be approved by the US State and Justice departments, legal experts believe an intense public outcry could outweigh Italy’s strong claims under its extradition treaty with the US.

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    Fighting talk: Knox has vowed to fight the guilty verdict 'until the very end'


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    Support: GMA's Robin Roberts offered her support to Knox as she struggled to contain her tears




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    Determined: She vowed to fight the verdict and extradition, saying: 'I will never willingly go back'


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    Angry: Knox, pictured ahead of her interview, said she is disappointed in the Italian justice system


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    Sadness: Knox takes a moment of reflection ahead of her first live interview since the verdict



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    Amanda Knox was pictured in a camel trench coat and turquoise hat as she arrived at the set of ABC's 'Good Morning America' to be interviewed

    Looking groomed and glamorous in studio make-up and her new short bob haircut, Knox was far removed from the dressed-down look she has adopted since her acquittal and return home in 2011.
    Sentenced on Thursday to another 28 years and six months in prison for the murder – and for falsely pinning it on a local black bar-owner – Knox said she would ‘never willingly go back’ to the country where she has already spent four traumatic years behind bars.
    ‘I’m going to fight this until the very end. And it’s not right and it’s not fair and I’m going to do everything I can,’ she said.
    ‘Granted, I need a lot of help, I can’t do this on my own. I can’t help people understand this on my own.

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    Stephanie and Lyle Kercher pictured at Florence Airport this afternoon. The pair said they are still searching for the truth and cannot draw a line under their sister's murder



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    Stephanie Kercher has said that the family may never get to the bottom of what happened to Meredith in Italy

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    Stephanie, Lyle and lawyer Francesco Maresca during the Florence press conference



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    Guilty: Amanda Knox, pictured yesterday in Seattle, was with her family in America when the guilty verdict was announced. Her former boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito, pictured talking to lawyers at court yesterday, heard the news in Italy


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    'No relief': Meredith (pictured) lived in Coulsdon, Surrey. Her mother Arline Kercher was at home watching the developments in Florence on live television and said she felt no relief at the verdict



    ‘There are people who know better than I do the way these systems work and the way there was this entirely preventable thing that happened.
    ‘People needed to try to understand that when you have overzealous prosecutors and a biased investigation and course of interrogation that these things happen. And I’m not crazy.’
    She said the court’s decision on Thursday night – which she watched on Italian TV from her mother’s Seattle home – had hit her ‘like a train’, adding: ‘I couldn’t believe what I was hearing.
    'I really expected so much better from the Italian justice system.’
    WHAT NOW FOR AMANDA KNOX? WILL SHE BE SAVED BY AMERICA'S DOUBLE JEOPARDY LAW?

    The ruling could spark a diplomatic tug-of-war between Italy and the U.S. for Amanda Knox.
    Knox, who denies killing Meredith Kercher, has said she would rather become a fugitive than return to Italy and place her fate 'in the hands of people who very clearly want me in prison'.
    But although she has attracted huge support from the American public, some legal experts believe the U.S. would be reluctant to turn down an extradition request from Italy - especially as it makes so many requests itself.
    She could be rescued by America's double jeopardy rule, under which nobody can be tried twice for the same crime.
    The rule is explicitly mentioned in the country's extradition treaty with Italy as an example of when the US may not co-operate.
    The 1983 extradition treaty between the United States and Italy reads: ‘Article 7 states a discretionary ground for refusal of extradition. It provides that extradition may be refused when the person sought is being proceeded against by the requested State for the same act.’
    However, double jeopardy in the U.S. usually covers trials by jury, and Knox had been acquitted by appeal court judges.
    The Italians could use this to argue that her case is not covered by the rule.
    According to Professor Julian Ku, who teaches transnational law at Hofstra University, the 'double jeopardy' protection is not applicable in Knox's case.
    The 'double jeopardy' clause protects from extradition in instances when a U.S. citizen faces prosecution again for an offence already dealt with in the U.S.
    As Amanda Knox is already convicted, Italy only needs to provide the U.S. with 'a brief statement of the facts of the case, the laws covering the crime, the punishment and its statute of limitation,' professor Ku told The Telegraph.
    '[Knox's conviction'] would easily satisfy the conditions of the treaty, so it would be hard for the US to explain why she should not be handed over.’
    The U.S. State Department, which would have to decide whether to forcibly send Knox back to Italy, has refused to comment.
    If the United States approves the extradition request then it is most likely that Knox will then begin a whole separate legal battle within the United States to stay and not be sent to Italy to serve her sentence.
    Should the U.S. refuse to extradite her, Knox will have to spend the rest of her life within the borders of the United States as a long list of countries, including most of Europe, Canada, Australia and a majority of Latin America, all have extradition treaties with Italy.





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    Distressed: Amanda Knox's mother, Edda Mellas in blue sweater & red coat exit their family home in Seattle as her father curt Knox in black shirt and trousers get into a black town car for their journey to be interviewed by ABC News



    Knox lawyers shocked, Kercher lawyers satisfied with verdict








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    Verdict: The judge in the courthouse of Florence reads the final guilty verdict after 11 hours of deliberations






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    Meredith's sister Stephanie, left, and her brother Lyle, right, are pictured after the verdict last night








    Knox and Sollecito found guilty again over Kercher murder







    Although she played the helpless and isolated victim, Knox is in fact surrounded by a team of image handlers who timed the chat – along with similarly sympathetic interviews with the Guardian and BBC Newsnight – for maximum effect.
    Her camp knows Britain could play a crucial role if it decides to push for extradition on behalf of the Kercher family.

    Knox told ABC she had written to the family and they ‘deserved respect’.
    She said the fact they had not learnt the truth about what happened to Meredith ‘had been lost’ in a drama focusing on the accused.


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    Lyle Kercher said that it would take a 'very strong-willed - arguably religious person' to be able to forgive those responsible for his sister Meredith's death


    AMANDA KNOX ORDERED TO PAY £3.6 MILLION COMPENSATION TO MEREDITH KERCHER'S FAMILY

    By Tom Leonard in New York

    Amanda Knox has been ordered to pay £3.6 million compensation to the Kercher family, compounding financial woes which she insists are already dire.
    The figure was set in her first trial and was confirmed by the Florence court that has reconvicted her of murdering Meredith Kercher.
    Her co-defendant, Raffaele Sollecito, has been ordered to pay the same sum.
    The Kerchers’ legal team had originally requested more than £20 million, split evenly between the pair and Rudy Guede, who remains in prison after being convicted of the murder.
    It remains to be seen where she will find such a huge sum - let alone the legal fees to fight possible extradition moves.
    Knox is currently finishing a degree in creative writing at the University of Washington, where she had been a student at the time of the murder.
    By the time of her acquittal in 2011, Knox’s parents had already spent well £1 million on her legal fees and other expenses traveling back and forth to Italy.
    Her divorced parents, Curt Knox and Edda Mellas, took out second mortgages on their Seattle homes and exhausted much of their retirement savings in their efforts to free her from an Italian prison.
    When Knox signed a £2.5 million book deal with a publisher she was accused of cashing in on the tragedy of Miss Kercher’s death.
    But her supporters defended the move, insisting that Knox needed to repay her parents for all they had spent on her.
    She is soliciting donations on her website for her legal defence. In December, she was attacked by Italian prosecutors for seeking donations on the same website for donations to a fund set up to honour Ms Kercher. That appeal has since been removed.
    One alternative source of money is to accept lucrative speaking engagements – she is represented by Robert Barnett, the same Washington lawyer who brokered huge publishing deals for Tony Blair, Barack Obama and George W Bush.
    Mr Blair has earned as much as £100,000 a time from speaking engagements and Mr Barnett, his spokesman said last year, would assist Knox in “evaluating other opportunities” aside from the book.
    But her life in Seattle remains modest. Knox still lives in a £950 a month apartment in the city’s shabby but hip Chinatown district where she moved within weeks of her return home in October 2011.
    And she is still shares her home and life with her boyfriend, a handsome classical guitar student named James Terrano.
    Her 463-page account of her ordeal, Waiting to be Heard, came out last year. Despite a scrum between some 20 publishers desperate to publish it and an interview deal with ABC that won Fox an hour’s worth of primetime network TV in which to plug the book, HarperCollins drew disappointing early sales for the tome.
    Publishers in Britain queried whether the excitement was justified, pointing out that she remains a very divisive figure outside the US.




    Referring to her former boyfriend and co-defendant Rafaele Sollecito, Knox said her first thought after the verdict was ‘Oh my God, Raffaele’.

    She said: ‘He is vulnerable and I don’t know what I would do if they imprisoned. It’s maddening.’
    Knox has been ordered to pay £3.6million compensation to the Kercher family, compounding financial woes which she insists are already dire.
    The figure was set in her first trial and was confirmed by the Florence court that has reconvicted her of the murder of her flatmate in Perugia in 2007.

    Sollecito has been ordered to pay the same sum.

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    Raffaele Sollecito's lawyer, Giulia Bongiorno (left) and Carlo Dalla Vedova, the Italian lawyer of Amanda Knox




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    In court: Raffaele Sollecito arrives at court in Florence, Italy, for the final hearing ahead of the verdict in the latest Meredith Kercher murder trial


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    Patrick Lumumba, the barman Knox wrongly accused of Meredith's murder, speaks to the media outside the courthouse in Florence

    The Kerchers’ legal team had originally requested more than £20million, split evenly between the pair and Rudy Guede, who remains in prison after being convicted of the murder.
    It remains to be seen where Knox will find such a huge sum – let alone the legal fees to fight possible extradition moves.
    Knox is currently finishing a degree in creative writing at the University of Washington, where she had been a student at the time of the murder.
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    Suspects: Amanda Knox pictured with Raffaele Sollecito shortly after Meredith Kercher's murder




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    Raffaele Sollecito pictured in court today for the final submissions ahead of the judges' deliberations



    By the time of her acquittal, her divorced parents had spent over £1million on her legal fees and other expenses travelling back and forth to Italy.
    Curt Knox and Edda Mellas took out second mortgages on their Seattle homes and exhausted much of their retirement savings in their efforts to free her from an Italian prison.

    When Knox signed a £2.5million book deal with a publisher she was accused of cashing in.
    But her supporters insist Knox needed to repay her parents. Her 463-page account of her ordeal, Waiting to be Heard, came out last year.

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    Knox, pictured yesterday covering up her short hair in a hat, has already said she will not return to Italy whatever the outcome of the retrial



    AMANDA KNOX EXTRADITION ATTEMPTS 'DOOMED TO FAIL', SAY DIPLOMATS

    By Hannah Roberts in Florence
    Attempts by Rome to extradite Amanda Knox from the United States are doomed to failure, diplomatic sources have warned.
    The 26-year-old American is at the centre of a diplomatic tug of war after an Italian court on Thursday sentenced her to 28 years prison for the murder of British student Meredith Kercher.
    Knox served four years jail for the 2007 murder, but returned home to Seattle in 2011, when she and former boyfriend Raffaele were acquitted on appeal.
    Following the dramatic quashing of that acquittal, followed by the reinstatement of her conviction, Knox said she will never willingly go back to Italy, and will instead become ‘a fugitive’.
    Once the murder sentence is confirmed by the Supreme Court, Italy can apply for Knox's extradition and arrest.
    But despite expected Italian efforts, experts say the US State Department will never send Knox back to a country where she was allegedly beaten by police and interrogated for hours without a lawyer or translator.
    Thanks to a powerful public relations campaign, and a prison memoir, Knox has successfully won over millions in the US to her cause counting Donald Trump among her supporters. Even early on senators petitioned Hilary Clinton on her behalf, claiming it was 'an anti-American trial'.
    And US State Department sources now reveal the 26-year-old has little to fear as she will be protected by the strength of public opinion in America.
    The Rome-based source confided: ‘We will never send her back to Italy. It’s obvious she hasn’t had a fair trial.’
    Once the guilty verdict is confirmed by the Supreme Court, Italy will almost certainly apply to extradite Knox, because of the expectation from the public to do so, another foreign policy expert said.
    ‘They will have go through the motions because of the public pressure to do so, even though they know it will fail. No American Secretary of State will ever send her back, the source claimed.
    He added: ‘The Italians have to support own judiciary. They can’t just do nothing when the judiciary sentence someone for murder.’
    In the same way, Britain used to routinely apply for the extradition of criminals living on the Costa del Sol, knowing that the attempts were wasted efforts, he explained. ‘But the government can’t be seen to do nothing’.





    Glum Amanda Knox in Seattle one day before retrial verdict









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    'Face of an angel': Amanda Knox pictured left in 2008 when she first went on trial for the murder of her roommate Meredith Kercher. Knox is pictured right this afternoon




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    Convicted: Ivory Coast-born Rudy Guede is serving a 16-year sentence for sexually assaulting and stabbing Kercher



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    The flat in Perugia where Meredith's body was found in November 2007



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    Meredith was discovered with her throat cut in her bedroom at her house in the Italian town of Perugia. Her body was partially clothed and under a duvet


    TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS: TWISTING TALE OF ITALIAN MURDER PROBE

    2007

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    Meredith Kercher, 21, was found dead at her house in Perugia on November 2, 2007

    November 2: Meredith Kercher, a 21-year-old exchange student from Coulsdon, Surrey, is discovered with her throat cut in her bedroom at her house in the Italian town of Perugia. Her body is partially clothed and under a duvet.
    November 4: A post-mortem examination reveals evidence of sexual activity at some point before Miss Kercher died.
    November 6: Police arrest Meredith's American housemate Knox, then 20, Sollecito, then 23, and Congolese Diya 'Patrick' Lumumba, who runs a local bar. Police claim Meredith was murdered because she refused to take part in violent sex. Knox is said to have broken down and confessed and implicated Lumumba. The three are held on suspicion of conspiracy to commit manslaughter and sexual violence.
    November 11: Meredith's body is flown home. Knox's mother, Edda Mellas, says Knox did not hear Miss Kercher's screams the night she died and was with Sollecito at his house.

    November 19: A fourth suspect is named as Rudy Hermann Guede, 20, from the Ivory Coast. He is thought to have left Perugia for Milan after Meredith died.




    November 20: Guede is arrested in the German city of Mainz. Lumumba is released without charge.
    November 22: Guede admits being in Meredith's house on the night of the murder but says an Italian man he did not know committed the crime.
    2008

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    Rudy Guede was sentenced to 30 years for the murder of Meredith in October 2008

    September 9: Guede's lawyers say he will ask to be prosecuted separately from Knox and Sollecito in a fast-track trial after talk of a possible pact between the former lovers to frame him.
    September 16: All three suspects appear before a judge in the first of a series of pre-trial hearings in Perugia. Judge Paolo Micheli grants Guede's request for a fast-track trial.
    September 26: Knox and Sollecito come face to face in a closed courtroom for the first time since being detained after the murder.
    October 28: After 11 hours of deliberation, Judge Micheli sentences Guede to 30 years for the murder of Meredith. He also orders Knox and Sollecito to stand trial for murder and sexual violence. Judge Micheli later rules that the pair remain in prison while they await trial.
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    Knox, pictured just before giving evidence at her initial trial, was found guilty in December 2009

    January 16: The trial of Knox and Sollecito begins.
    February 6: Sollecito tells the court he is not violent and has nothing to do with the case.
    June 6: Miss Kercher's parents, John and Arline, give evidence. Mrs Kercher says she will never get over her daughter's murder.
    June 12: Knox gives evidence in fluent Italian. She says she accused Lumumba 'in confusion and under pressure' and that a police officer hit her during interrogation.
    November 21: Prosecutors ask for life sentences for Knox and Sollecito.
    December 4: Knox and Sollecito found guilty of murder. Knox is sentenced to 26 years and Sollecito to 25. Knox's family say they will appeal.
    2010
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    Knox and Sollecito returned to court in Perugia for their appeal in November 2010

    November 24: Knox and Sollecito return to court in Perugia for their appeal.
    December 11: Knox breaks down in tears as she makes an emotional courtroom appeal, saying she was the innocent victim of an 'enormous mistake'.
    December 16: Italy's highest criminal court upholds Guede's conviction and prison sentence, which was slashed to 16 years in his first appeal.
    2011
    June 27: Guede gives evidence for the prosecution in the appeal and confirms the contents of a letter he wrote to his lawyers in 2010, which included a direct accusation against Knox and Sollecito.
    July 25: Experts tell the appeal court that forensic scientists who helped convict Knox made a series of errors. Evidence was tainted by the use of a dirty glove and failure to wear protective caps, they claim.
    September 7: Appeal court rejects prosecution request for new DNA tests.
    October 3: Knox is freed from prison after being acquitted of killing Miss Kercher. Sollecito is also cleared.
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    Knox's book, Waiting To Be Heard, was released in April 2013

    October 4: Miss Kercher's brother Lyle says her family accept the court's decision but says questions remain unanswered about what really happened.
    2012
    February 16: Publisher HarperCollins announces it has signed a deal for a Knox memoir which was reportedly worth £2.5 million. The book, Waiting To Be Heard, is released in April 2013.
    April 29: Miss Kercher's father John appeals to Guede to finally "come clean" and reveal what really happened the night she was stabbed to death.
    2013
    March 26: Italy's highest criminal court overturns the acquittals of Knox and Sollecito.
    September 30. The third trial of Knox and Sollecito begins in Florence.
    December 17: Knox declares her innocence in an email submitted to the appeal court in Florence by her lawyers before their closing arguments in which she says: 'I didn't kill Meredith.'
    2014
    January 30: The pair are found guilty of the murder of Meredith Kercher after judges in Florence overruled their previous acquittals.




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    Surprise! It's from The Daily Mail!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sluce View Post
    Surprise! It's from The Daily Mail!!
    What are you talking about? If this isn't unbiased journalism, I don't know what is.

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    Well you may as well know how she is viewed abroad.
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    I'd rather just look at what was presented and/or refuted in court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rollo View Post
    Well you may as well know how she is viewed abroad.
    Well quite.

    Would the Americans be so supportive of her if she wasn't from the US?
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    Well, I'm an American, though I live abroad, and I personally get a bad vibe from her. And SHE is dissapointed in the Italian justice system????? It's a good thing she's not anywhere near me; she makes me wanna smack her. Just my gut feeling, that is not based on articles in whatever magazines or newspapers. It's just wachting her, listening to her, reading her body language etc.
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    Not all Americans are supportive of her. Just like elsewhere some think guilty, some think she's not, and some don't know but think the trial didn't provide a real case.



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    Quote Originally Posted by HWBL View Post
    Well, I'm an American, though I live abroad, and I personally get a bad vibe from her. And SHE is dissapointed in the Italian justice system????? It's a good thing she's not anywhere near me; she makes me wanna smack her. Just my gut feeling, that is not based on articles in whatever magazines or newspapers. It's just wachting her, listening to her, reading her body language etc.
    There's lots of people I'd love to smack. It's not proof of murder, however. She might be a thoroughly nasty woman AND innocent of this crime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novice View Post
    The Italian justice system has royally screwed this one up, however, there is a higher court (EU court) that can act depending on the appeal to it. Fir example, she could appeal to the EU court that the 3-strike system is inhuman/antihuman rights, + she'd probably win knowing them.
    All the press quote I have read + which I have posted for you last time you posted this have stated that they want the correct person to be found + tried. They were told/convinced buy the Italian Police that it was these two, then it's not, then it is again.... As much as I dislike Knox, believe her to be guilty due to her actions/lies, the Kercher family are just really searching for closure, to find out what happened to their daughter/sister.
    I know that they stated they want the correct person to be found and tried, but their statements and actions before and after they said it don't support that. The fact that they were lied to by the police and prosecutors isn't enough for me to be okay with them aggressively encouraging the public and the courts to hold a defendant responsible for a crime that the physical evidence presented in court cannot prove she committed.

    They talk about wanting to know what happened, but then oppose attempts to pursue other scenarios if they don't involve Amanda Knox being responsible. They have even admitted that they can't really accept any other explanation (despite the lack of physical evidence), because if they admit she wasn't responsible, then they have no idea who was. They need someone to blame and would rather blame someone whose involvement is not supported by the evidence than not have anyone to blame at all. That bothers me.
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