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    I accidentally fell down a weird twitter hole of MJ's stans really believing the documentary is proof positive that MJ was innocent. It was the disgusting, gross mess you'd guess it to be, but they never really got to the reasons why they thought it proved he was innocent or why they thought Safechuck or Robson was lying. It was the Twilight Zone and that article sounds suspiciously like something one of those masterminds would have written.
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    I don’t know if this article was ever posted but:-


    10 Undeniable Facts About the Michael Jackson Sexual-Abuse Allegations

    The author, who spent more than a decade covering the scandal for V.F., shares the key revelations and insights that viewers of the new HBO documentary Leaving Neverland need to know.


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    Michael Jackson arrives with his father Joe Jackson at the Santa Barbara County Courthouse for day 20 of his trial, March 25, 2005.
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    The anguished voice of Wade Robson’s father will always haunt me. Back in 1993, when the first charges of sexual abuse were leveled at Michael Jackson by a 13-year-old boy named Jordan “Jordie” Chandler, I was assigned to write about the case for Vanity Fair. I naturally wanted to know if Jackson had befriended any other young boys, and it wasn’t long before I heard the names Wade Robson and Jimmy Safechuck.
    Wade’s mother, Joy, wasn’t talking, but his father, Dennis, surprised me by returning my call from his home in Australia. Dennis explained that Joy had taken Wade and his sister to Los Angeles so Wade could be with Jackson, adding that he was afraid that he might lose his son if he said anything against the pop superstar. Dennis’s sorrow was compounded by his own dark secret: he himself had been molested as a child, he told me, and had been unable to bring himself to tell anyone for 30 years.
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    Then, a week later, Dennis Robson called me back. He had just gotten through to his wife and now he wanted to change his story and give me a quote praising Jackson. I asked him what had prompted this sudden change of heart. He paused. It was all just a mixup, he said. Dennis, who had been diagnosed as bipolar shortly before his wife left, never got over losing his family, all because his son, then five, had won a local dance contest, and the first prize was a meeting with his idol, Michael Jackson.
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    In 2002, Dennis Robson committed suicide. In the new HBO documentary Leaving Neverland, Wade Robson says he never fully understood what caused his father’s pain; his father died without ever being close to his son again.
    The two-part documentary, which premieres on HBO this Sunday, gives Robson and Safechuck, together with their surviving family members, the opportunity to tell their stories of being first befriended and then seduced, emotionally and—they allege—sexually, by Michael Jackson. What struck me most, as someone who spent more than a decade reporting on allegations against Jackson, was how closely Robson’s and Safechuck’s stories mirrored those of Jordie Chandler and Gavin Arvizo, the 13-year-old whose allegations prompted the 2005 trial in which Jackson was acquitted on 10 felony counts, including four counts of child molestation and one of attempted child molestation. Another boy, Jason Francia, whose mother worked as a housekeeper for Jackson, testified under oath that he was molested by Jackson, bringing to five the number of young men who’ve sworn that Jackson showed them pornography, masturbated them, or introduced them to sex when they were between the ages of 7 and 12.

    So many details of each case were the same: the targeting of boys from troubled families, the skillful grooming, the gifts, the seduction, the Jacuzzis, the way sex was performed, the fear and threats of what would befall them if they ever told anyone what Jackson had done. Their dismissals followed a similar pattern, too: as puberty approached, Robson and Safechuck say in the documentary, they were abruptly thrown to the curb and replaced with a new, younger kid.
    Even their families got similar treatment: the sisters were put off to the side by Michael, the supposed adorer of allchildren; the parents were whisked around in limos and private jets, taken shopping, and treated to vintage wine from Neverland’s cellar. Jordie Chandler’s mother got trips to Monaco and Las Vegas, along with a diamond bracelet. Jimmy Safechuck’s parents got a whole house; the documentary never mentions the cars they received, or the permanent residence visa that Wade Robson’s mother testified in 2005 to having received by funneling whatever wages she had received through the Michael Jackson Corporation. Joy Robson also acknowledged accepting a car, a $10,000 payment from Jackson, and a $10,000 loan from Jackson’s investigator.
    Both Robson and Safechuck previously testified under oath that Jackson never touched them, but there is good reason to believe they are telling the truth now. Ron Zonen, a prosecutor in the 2005 trial who has tried many sex-abuse cases, told me he understood why Wade Robson and Jimmy Safechuck came out when they did, instead of “when we needed them.” Especially for male victims, he said, “it has to be on their terms. They finally decide to disclose when the pain becomes unbearable and it’s not going to get better until they talk to somebody and tell the truth about it.”
    Jackson’s hardcore supporters allege that Robson and Safechuck memorized details from the other boys’ stories in order to get revenge after their own previous attempts to sue Jackson’s estate for damages were thrown out of court (not because the charges had no merit but because the statute of limitations had run out). That seems far-fetched to me. Why would anyone put himself through this? Robson and Safechuck are not being paid by HBO. They had to come to grips not only with what happened to them but also with the complicity of those closest to them. That kind of stress can and does destroy families. Anyone who has spent time hearing victims tell their stories of sexual assault knows that it is extremely painful to recall detail after detail. You never know which one will stick in your mind, causing depression, nightmares, and P.T.S.D. It can be something as simple as a song.
    The Jackson family, for its part, has filed a $100 million lawsuit against HBO, trying to prevent the documentary from being aired. Given all the money and vaunted reputations at stake, that may have seemed like the best course of action, lest viewers see and judge for themselves why two men would go to these lengths and suffer the hate being hurled at them. Robson and Safechuck say it is because they are fathers themselves now. The experience of having children summoned these tangled and terrible memories up from the depths of their psyches and spurred the need to come clean, to point their moral compasses north. Now it’s the public’s turn.
    To help viewers contextualize the documentary’s presentation of what ultimately amounts to a narrow slice of a sprawling saga, here are 10 undeniable facts about the sexual-abuse allegations against Michael Jackson.
    1. There is no dispute that, at age 34, Michael Jackson slept more than 30 nights in a row in the same bed with 13-year-old Jordie Chandler at the boy’s house with Chandler’s mother present. He also slept in the same bed with Jordie Chandler at Chandler’s father’s house. The parents were divorced.
    2. So far, five boys Michael Jackson shared beds with have accused him of abuse: Jordie Chandler, Jason Francia, Gavin Arvizo, Wade Robson, and Jimmy Safechuck. Jackson had the same nickname for Chandler and Arvizo: “Rubba.” He called Robson “Little One” and Safechuck “Applehead.”
    3. Jackson paid $25 million to settle the Chandlers’ lawsuit, with $18 million going to Jordie, $2.5 million to each of the parents, and the rest to lawyers. Jackson said he paid that sum to avoid something “long and drawn out.” Francia also received $2.4 million from Jackson.
    4. Michael Jackson suffered from the skin discoloration disease vitiligo. Jordie Chandler drew a picture of the markings on the underside of Jackson’s penis. His drawings were sealed in an envelope. A few months later, investigators photographed Jackson’s genitalia. The photographs matched Chandler’s drawings.
    5. The hallway leading to Jackson’s bedroom was a serious security zone covered by video and wired for sound so that the steps of anyone approaching would make ding-dong sounds.
    6. Jackson had an extensive collection of adult erotic material he kept in a suitcase next to his bed, including S&M bondage photos and a study of naked boys. Forensic experts with experience in the Secret Service found the fingerprints of boys alongside Jackson’s on the same pages. Jackson also had bondage sculptures of women with ball gags in their mouths on his desk, in full view of the boys who slept there.
    7. According to the Neverland staff interviewed by the Santa Barbara authorities, no one ever saw or knew of a woman spending the night with Michael Jackson, including his two spouses, Debbie Rowe or Lisa Marie Presley. Rowe, the mother of two of Jackson’s children, made it clear to the Santa Barbara authorities that she never had sex with Jackson.
    8. The parents of boys Jackson shared beds with were courted assiduously and given myriad expensive gifts. Wade Robson’s mother testified in the 2005 trial that she funneled wages through Jackson’s company and was given a permanent resident visa. Jimmy Safechuck’s parents got a house. Jordie Chandler’s mother got a diamond bracelet.
    9. Two of the fathers of those who have accused Jackson, Jordie Chandler and Wade Robson, committed suicide. Both were estranged from their sons at the time.
    10. In a 2002 documentary, Living with Michael Jackson, Jackson told Martin Bashir there was nothing wrong with sharing his bed with boys







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    I just watched this on Hulu and I was blown away. There's no doubt in my mind these two are telling the truth. I can't believe these mothers though. There is no way they could have not known. Wade's mom is a real piece of work. I feel simultaneously horrible for him and want to kick her in the twat.

    It totally makes sense that they would start to have breakdowns after becoming fathers themselves. When Wade realizes if someone were doing the kind of things to his own son that MJ did to him he would kill that person....damn.

    Both these two have successful careers. They don't need a money grab. Hopefully they are still married to their wives (who were also in the documentary) because those ladies are giving exactly the kind of support needed. It would not surprise me if Wade was estranged from his mom.

    This was difficult to watch. But once I started I couldn't not watch.
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    I watched the documentary a few months ago and I totally believe them too. And want to kill their parents. Robsonís mother basically tried to claim things were different back then or that being from Australia somehow made her extra naive. Bullshit. The documentary doesnít go into detail about how much money the parents got from Jackson, or that thatís how Robsonís mom was able to get a green card. She knew what was going on and let it happen as long as she was being paid. I got the sense she jumped at the chance to leave Australia and her husband.
    parts of the documentary were really tough to watch and frankly TMI. I did not need to know the particulars of what Jacko liked to do to the kids.
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    It's very disturbing to me how many people still think this asshole was innocent and ALL these accusers (not just the two in this docco) are just lying liars.
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    I believe them. There were a lot of details they didn't need to share to the world to make their points, and they did. Their stories read the same way the child welfare files at my last job read.

    But somehow, and I don't know how this happens because I don't follow anything having to do with Michael Jackson, but you should see his stans descend upon people...they could have, back in the day, given the Brangeloonies a run for their money. And their arguing style is along the lines of "I know you are, what am I?" so it's impossible for people to reason with them. It's insane how much denial they're in. I would hope someone would stage an intervention for me if I ever lost my mind like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MsDark View Post
    I just watched this on Hulu and I was blown away. There's no doubt in my mind these two are telling the truth. I can't believe these mothers though. There is no way they could have not known. Wade's mom is a real piece of work. I feel simultaneously horrible for him and want to kick her in the twat.

    It totally makes sense that they would start to have breakdowns after becoming fathers themselves. When Wade realizes if someone were doing the kind of things to his own son that MJ did to him he would kill that person....damn.

    Both these two have successful careers. They don't need a money grab. Hopefully they are still married to their wives (who were also in the documentary) because those ladies are giving exactly the kind of support needed. It would not surprise me if Wade was estranged from his mom.

    This was difficult to watch. But once I started I couldn't not watch.

    I absolutely loved the wives too. James Safechuck is active in Instagram and he shares photos with his wife and kids so they're definitely together. He seems to be doing so much better these days and they are a gorgeous couple. I don't know for sure about Wade but I think it would have been news if he had broken up with his wife. Latest interviews I read say that Wade is still talking to his mother and they are still in the healing process and that she has since seen all the gory details of what MJ did.

    I don't know what to think about the mothers. Esp Wade's mom she had to have known on some level and she just blinded herself to the truth. I find it so hard to believe that she actually, knowingly prostituted her son like this. I have a measure of sympathy for both mothers despite their culpability in what happened to their kids because they agreed to speak in the documentary. It wouldn't have been as compelling without them. So I do give them props for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterslide View Post
    I believe them. There were a lot of details they didn't need to share to the world to make their points, and they did. Their stories read the same way the child welfare files at my last job read.

    But somehow, and I don't know how this happens because I don't follow anything having to do with Michael Jackson, but you should see his stans descend upon people...they could have, back in the day, given the Brangeloonies a run for their money. And their arguing style is along the lines of "I know you are, what am I?" so it's impossible for people to reason with them. It's insane how much denial they're in. I would hope someone would stage an intervention for me if I ever lost my mind like that.
    I think most crazy stans are like that. Completely out of touch with reality. Total idol worship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yanna View Post
    I don't know what to think about the mothers. Esp Wade's mom she had to have known on some level and she just blinded herself to the truth. I find it so hard to believe that she actually, knowingly prostituted her son like this.
    I had no sympathy for Wade's mum. At least James' mother showed some degree of self-awareness, but after everything Wade went through his mother still refused to hear the details because she "couldn't handle it" or some bullshit. I bet her son didn't want to know the details either, when it was all happening to him, but he had no choice. What kind of mother refuses to talk to her child about the abuse they suffered, because it's too hard for her?
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    One of the many mothers who whore out their own children,boys or girls ,to live a life of luxury..Mothers who push their kids to work,pursue a career for money and fame,who turn a blind eye to the kids suffering just for their own gain.Mothers who let their youngs be used for sex by older people,to better their own miserable lives..Those too who invest in their kids their own failed dreams and they know no limits to their passion to succeed..And those fathers also...let us nor forget the fathers...
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    The fathers were pushed out of the picture entirely. I'm not so sure about the Safechuck dad, but Wade Robson's dad suffered from medical issues including mental illness and that mom just cold left his ass and took off with two of his kids and situated herself in the US using her kid and his "career" with a rich and famous American pop star.

    When she made that comment about Wade being more upset when Michael died than his own dad I was thinking "Yeah bitch, because he was taken away from his dad and any chance at a relationship was effectively ended by you when a rich pop star offered money for (fucking) your kid!"

    The dad might have known what was going on IMO. He committed suicide.
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    Wade's father had MJ's number, he definitely knew what was going on but he was helpless. Considering the timing of his suicide though I don't think it was completely related. He killed himself many years later, the moment his older son left him to get a moment to himself. Those poor kids really didn't win the parent lottery. They were effectively forced to parent his own parents cause they were just hopeless. Wade had to work to support his mother and sister and poor Shane, the older son had to stay with his dad and keep him alive and the second day after he left his father kills himself. Way to cause pain, man. I know he was mentally ill and probably couldn't help himself but it was so cruel.
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