Did Katie Holmes fake the NY Marathon and have someone else run it for her?

[Bellatheball]

Originally Posted by NoraKnows

NW Girl: WOW, and I thought I had too much time on my hands!!

As lengthy as your post--and its 17,000 links--was, you really made the same 2 points over & over (...& over). If it makes you feel better, I think we can ALL agree that it's POSSIBLE to A) wear pants, and b) smile, while running a marathon.

Groovy.

However... when you take minor "oddities" like those and add them to the dozen or so BIZARRE/inexplicable things about her "performance" that day... and throw in the fact that we're talking about Katie Holmes and Tom Cruise here (who have a bit of a "rep" for FAKING things/ obsessing over their public image/ being stark-raving mad)... Well, let's just say that it sets off a rational person's B.S. detector. That's all.

Nora, Nora. Apparently you didn't get the memo. You're starting to sound like Sherlock Holmes.

Welcome girl, I like your logic.

[moomies]

Originally Posted by NoraKnows

NW Girl: WOW, and I thought I had too much time on my hands!!

As lengthy as your post--and its 17,000 links--was, you really made the same 2 points over & over (...& over). If it makes you feel better, I think we can ALL agree that it's POSSIBLE to A) wear pants, and b) smile, while running a marathon.

Groovy.

However... when you take minor "oddities" like those and add them to the dozen or so BIZARRE/inexplicable things about her "performance" that day... and throw in the fact that we're talking about Katie Holmes and Tom Cruise here (who have a bit of a "rep" for FAKING things/ obsessing over their public image/ being stark-raving mad)... Well, let's just say that it sets off a rational person's B.S. detector. That's all.

Hit the nail right on the head! Great summation.

[Cali]

Originally Posted by NoraKnows

NW Girl: WOW, and I thought I had too much time on my hands!!

As lengthy as your post--and its 17,000 links--was, you really made the same 2 points over & over (...& over). If it makes you feel better, I think we can ALL agree that it's POSSIBLE to A) wear pants, and b) smile, while running a marathon.

Groovy.

However... when you take minor "oddities" like those and add them to the dozen or so BIZARRE/inexplicable things about her "performance" that day... and throw in the fact that we're talking about Katie Holmes and Tom Cruise here (who have a bit of a "rep" for FAKING things/ obsessing over their public image/ being stark-raving mad)... Well, let's just say that it sets off a rational person's B.S. detector. That's all.

THANK YOU!

Originally Posted by nwgirl

Some of you really should look at other pictures on that site I linked to in my earlier post. I don't expect you to admit it, but all of your reasons why she couldn't have run are completely baseless.

Okay, I hate to jump in here, but none of the pictures you posted proved the point you're trying to make. The bell-bottom pants on the runners WEREN'T as long as Katies - not eve close. And the 1 runner wearing the speghetti strap top was SIGNIFICANTLY thinner and more lean than Katie. That woman appeared to genuinely have NO breasts whatsoever.

[Cali]

Adding heat to the debate here:
Katie Holmes MarathonGate: Mystery Solved?

Who could have anticipated the Pandora's Brand Can o' Worms we'd be opening with our Katie Holmes NY marathon conspiracy coverage over the past few days? We asked questions, you had answers. You also had more questions, about mysterious men in photos and identical split times. We started to realize this was bigger than all of us. Or maybe it wasn't. We were cold. We were scared. We met a guy named Deep Socks. Eventually, we hit The Wall, but The Truth gave us our second wind. A round-up of the latest:
· Fox 411's Roger Friedman claims to have solved the mystery: Foxy Mossad Agent #6074 as commenters have dubbed him, is none other than personal trainer and aspiring actor Wesley Okerson--not Israeli, but in fact a Marylander living in Beverly Hills. Mary Okerson, Wes's mother, says he and mysterious identical split-timer Paul Vincent are Katie's trainers. She did, in fact, run the marathon, says Wes's mom! Mystery solved! (Also: Okerson was a guest of the Cruises' at the Lions for Lambs premiere.) [Fox 411]
· Several commenters have guided us to this photo of Mr. Cleanesque mystery runner Vincent, whose bib number matches the one on the marathon website, running right alongside Katie. As for being a 30-year-old male, as his registration claims, not so much. [Gothamist]
· Still, we're not quite done conspiracizing, regardless of what Mrs. Okerson says. This website service allows you to plug in the bib number of any marathon runner, and instantly pulls up photos of them taken throughout the course. Go ahead--try it with the numbers in this picture. Ever Okerson pops up! But Katie? Vincent? Nowhere. [Brightroom.com]
· Even if Katie is telling the truth, you know who isn't? Third place Mexican presidential race candidate Roberto Madrazo. He was a big fat Berlin marathon cheater! [TeamGearedUp.com]
· Just because Okerson was identified still doesn't clear up the question of why his bib number doesn't pull up in the official database. Not unless, of course, you look up the 2003 Marathon records, in which case #6074 was...a 74 year old man. [Athlinks.com - Race Results and Social Network for Endurance Athletes.]

11:29 AM ON THU JAN 17 2008


Katie Holmes MarathonGate: Mystery Solved?

[nwgirl]

I lied! I can't stay away. Apparently the dumb is not strong enough.

Originally Posted by NoraKnows

NW Girl: WOW, and I thought I had too much time on my hands!!

As lengthy as your post--and its 17,000 links--was, you really made the same 2 points over & over (...& over). If it makes you feel better, I think we can ALL agree that it's POSSIBLE to A) wear pants, and b) smile, while running a marathon.

Groovy.

However... when you take minor "oddities" like those and add them to the dozen or so BIZARRE/inexplicable things about her "performance" that day... and throw in the fact that we're talking about Katie Holmes and Tom Cruise here (who have a bit of a "rep" for FAKING things/ obsessing over their public image/ being stark-raving mad)... Well, let's just say that it sets off a rational person's B.S. detector. That's all.

Actually, I disproved quite a few points. If you'd like to read the earlier thread and educate yourself about this topic, in regards to all of the reasons given as to why she simply could not have run, you'd see that the few photos I posted disproved almost everything everyone said.

So, why don't you read up and then come back and I'll be happy to continue this conversation. And, in case you didn't click on the 17,000 links, while you're reading the other thread, maybe you can click on the links I provided to see how they correspond.

Originally Posted by twitchy

Then we can change the name of the board to www.proven-facts-rock.com

Honestly, I didn't realize that this site had just moved right over into straight up fantasy land. Seriously. When did that happen? There's gossip and then there's just living in a dark world where fact doesn't exist. I thought there was at least some semblance of reality here. Maybe that was one of many mistakes I made.

Originally Posted by Calimoonchild

THANK YOU!



Okay, I hate to jump in here, but none of the pictures you posted proved the point you're trying to make. The bell-bottom pants on the runners WEREN'T as long as Katies - not eve close. And the 1 runner wearing the speghetti strap top was SIGNIFICANTLY thinner and more lean than Katie. That woman appeared to genuinely have NO breasts whatsoever.

Seriously? That's what you've got? They don't prove my point? How is that exactly? (And just for argument's sake, so we're talking apples to apples here...what points do you think I was trying to make?)

Let's see...just to recap:
She can't have run because she's not wearing a bra and "no woman" has ever run a marathon without a bra. No way.
Oh...whoops. Looks like at least two others did.

Hey, yeah, I agree she can't have run without a bra and those long pants.
Oh...whoops. Looks like at least a few others can.

Oh no,she can't have run without a bra or with those pants or without looking sweaty.
Oh...whoops. Looks like other people pulled it off.

Yeah, all those things plus she's not dead tired at the finish line.
Oh...whoops. Looks like that theory bites the dust too.

So, I would say that my pictures prove the points I was trying to make, exactly. And those are from two sets of ten of ONE marathon.

You might as well plug your ears and hum the tune to the Flintstones while you shake your head no and say "it can't be" for all the good any of you are doing and the points your making. FYI - there are two women in those pictures with strappy tanks on. Again, not that I'd expect a little thing like facts to get in the way of a good throw down. How many more would you like me to find to satisfy you that women do run marathons in those types of tops? Five, ten? 100?

Fact is, none of you are even remotely interested in facts or anything of the sort. When you bring up points that are easily disproven, you just assume that I'm going to get tired of trying to prove the point while you all pat each other on the back for a good job done staying the course that honestly, makes me question your sanity. This whole thing is like trying to reason with a toddler or run in quicksand.

So again, if any of you have any proof that she cheated, just bring it on out. Don't be shy. Till then, pat each other on the back and congratulate yourselves all you want. (Virtual high fives are always a nice addition too.)

Honestly, I can see why people become fantards or write lengthy manifestos to justify themselves or prove their positions. I've had more success getting people to admit they were wrong banging my head against a wall. I wish I could just say "you're wrong" and be done with it. But I can't. I actually like to have proof to back up my opinions, claims, suppositions, etc. I'm funny like that. Apparently, that is not a popular trait to have.

And just for clarification, my point is not that she ran. My point is that she could have. None of the reasons given as proof that she didn't are even plausible. Not individually and not collectively.

So...high five to me . I'm gonna go buy my helmet now. I like pink. I think I'll get a pink one. And a three wheeled bicycle with an orange flag on the back.

[crackho]

^^You're wrong. There. I said it. I feel so much better!

[Icepik]

Originally Posted by crackho

^^You're wrong. There. I said it. I feel so much better!

But, all she's saying is that she COULD have run...not that she did.



"And just for clarification, my point is not that she ran. My point is that she could have. None of the reasons given as proof that she didn't are even plausible. Not individually and not collectively."

[Grimmlok]

don't tell me nwgirl has gone all Katiebot fantard.

[sparkly]

I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, so I will just choose to believe that Katie ran the whole marathon. I don't see what can be gained from lying.

Every single one of those people worked tremendously hard to practice for that marathon, and it would be so wrong to pretend to run in it and take credit for doing something she didn't do.

[crackho]

^^Seriously, I don't even know the argument -except that none of you can say you're wrong, but I can....."You're wrong". There - I said it again. It's freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeing!

Please don't mind me - not picking on anyone - just being giddy from lack of sleep.

[ya-ya_sister]

I see both sides. Maybe she ran it. Maybe she didn't. If I were married to that psycho I would run and run and run until I was far far away. Personally, they remind me of an inlaw in my immediate family. Everything is always wonderful, perfect, fabulous. What isn't wonderful, perfect, and fabulous is covered up and ignored. It is all about image. Running a marathon goes along with the wonderful world of being a member of CO$. I think it is possible she faked it.

[MrsMarsters]

It's possible she did run it. I don't see a point in faking it, but then again I don't "think" like her dear husband.

[sparkly]

I just want to be nice and say she did run it. She's talked about it quite extensively, and I really want to believe she's not the type of person to be so selfish as to take glory for something like this if she didn't earn it.

[Cali]

Originally Posted by nwgirl

You might as well plug your ears and hum the tune to the Flintstones while you shake your head no and say "it can't be" for all the good any of you are doing and the points your making. FYI - there are two women in those pictures with strappy tanks on. Again, not that I'd expect a little thing like facts to get in the way of a good throw down. How many more would you like me to find to satisfy you that women do run marathons in those types of tops? Five, ten? 100?

Fact is, none of you are even remotely interested in facts or anything of the sort.

The same can be said for your arguments....

Out of curiosity, why are you so devoted to this argument?

[pacific breeze]

Once again, anyone who disagrees with the prevalent opinion of a few people who determine that EVERYONE else must share their opinion, facts notwithstanding, is namecalled and harassed. I'm almost glad that other people are experiencing what I go through regularly, even if it's awful. Now someone will say the "mood was ruined" or "you're pissing in OUR threads." I didn't know anyone owned threads at GR except for the admin. What the hell is so terrifying about someone with a different point of view anyway? Debate used to make threads fun at GR, now they're mostly bully pulpits, which is boring and stupid, IMO.