Did Katie Holmes fake the NY Marathon and have someone else run it for her?

[Cali]

Originally Posted by pacific breeze

^^No, there's a lot more to it and unfortunately, it can't be resolved, but january was right. I'm not going to discuss it in public any more, not that I have actually discusse details for a long, long time. I mentioned it in passing in relation to what I felt was happening here, which was a mistake. I apologize to everyone for that.

But honestly it isnt going away. Can we create a thread in Random to hash this out? Because it isnt going away. It keeps coming out in an underlying sense. I dont think your perspective of just smashing it down and moving on is working. It isnt. this comes up again and again and again and again. And it is disrupting and ruining the board dynamic.

I am NOT placing blame for this in any way. I dont know the backstory, I think well of you and everyone else on this board. But I do think it needs to be hashed out and put to rest if all involved are going to continue posting here.

I for one am VERY sick of threads turning into a personal snipe-fest. And again, I say that directed at NO ONE. I say that overall. I get that there are issues going way deeper than my time here and it would be nice for them to be resolved.

[Grimmlok]

Originally Posted by pacific breeze

The post was written to me, it was a natural assumption that it was about me. If I am wrong, I stand corrected, but january did say elsewhere very clearly that I -- not you or anyone else, but me -- "talked down," which means the same thing as condescending.

Apparently, Grimm, you won't rest, or let this thread rest, until I admit that everything I've ever said or done on GR in all its incarnations since the beginning and we were both here and actually friends way back when, is wrong, condescending, playing the victim, paranoid, or whatever other shit you can dream up. And I was still doing all this when I was standing up for you many times when others wanted to ban you for good.

OK. YOU WIN. I'M A HORRIBLE HUMAN BEING WHO HAS COMMITTED MANY CRIMES AGAINST GR. EVERYTHING THAT GRIMM SAYS ABOUT ME IS TRUE. EVEN IF IT IS ONLY HIS OPINION, IT IS STILL TRUE.

Satisfied? Now put me on ignore or leave me alone.

No, I'm just tired of you constantly thinking everyone is out to get you, jumping on people, havingt them tell you they werent talking about you, and this crap cropping up over and over. Hell, you've done it to ME and I've had to say a number of times that no, i wasnt talking about you.. but you have some weird bat-sense like I was.

When it happens enough times, you identify the constant. Since lots of people have said "i wasnt talking about you", you'd think that you'd just maybe wait to see if they were actually doing so the next time before jumping on everyone out of nowhere.

Do you understand what I'm saying?

I'm not trying to pick a fight but I think I've identified several key points that keep reoccuring with you involved in them.

And it's not a "PB IS A HORRIBLE PERSON OMG LETS STONE HER" thing, its a "rethink your actions" thing.

That's all.

but this has all been said before, and yeah, the issue isnt going away. The same thing keeps happening, and there is one person and one constant through it all. If you eliminate all the other variables, whatever's left is either the lynchpin.

things i'm tired of:

1) having to tell this same person over and over "i wasnt talking about you"

2) having to watch other people tell the same person "i want talking about you"

3) Having to say or witness the phrase "it's not (all) about you"

4) Having to sit through this stuff time and time again because the previous 3 things keep having to be told to this person as a result of them jumping to conclusions.

5) threads devolving into said person inferring someone attacking them, attacking other people in response, and having those people get annoyed, pissed off and on and on.

It has to stop. No more "i know that wasnt directed at ME" crap, no more other people having to say, quite exhasperatingly "i wasnt talking about you" and no more thinking everyone is out to slander/libel you behind your back with vast conspiracies, pals, borg mentalities or other avenues for victimization where you're the outsider and everyone else who says something different is AGAINST you

my fingers are tired from all this cheesy psyche-101 ing. It's old. its been old for awhile. I dont want to have to witness this a few times a week because one person just will not control themselves enough to simply be patient enough NOT to react to things they're inferring from all sorts of different directions.

Just take shit at face value for a change. It's not hard.

and take THIS at face value too. You know that if i really wanted to tear a strip off you, i could quite easily. I'm trying NOT to do that. I actually dont WANT to do that. I've got fuzzy gloves on my claws. But like.. seriously.. stabby wants to come out and if this keeps going stabby is going to want blood!

[pacific breeze]

I am sorry, but I am not willing to participate in what you suggest, Calimoonchild. I doubt very much that the mods or admin would allow it either. I'm not saying it is a bad idea in itself, but it would not work in this situation. Trust me on this.

I don't think that it is is the only reason threads turn into a snipe fest -- it was going pretty good even before I got here, lol. I don't like that there is very little tolerance for dissenting opinions in CELEB threads in particular. Believe me, it wasn't always that way. But it looks as if that is the way it is now, and a lot of people seem to like it that way. I'll either have to accept the party line or stay out of them, and that is not what GR used to stand for, IMO.

[january]

OK, so even NWGirl says she didn't feel ganged up on. This is what I didn't understand from the get-go, why you (and this IS directed towards PB) felt she was. I guess my problem with this was that if she DID feel ganged up on, I have no doubt she would have been cool enough to bring it up herself. Instead this thread was derailed for no apparent reason.

Secondly, if you reread my post, I never directed anything towards you. I made a general statement regarding anyone who made condescending posts would obviously be smacked down by the other members. This was a general statement in response to you saying people were ganged up on, and since I've already said I don't see anyone ganging up on you, I fail to see how this statement was all about you. Please let me know where I said you - specifically you - talked down to me or others.

Thirdly, PB I do find you to be a very smart and articulate woman. I wish that whatever happened to you, hadn't of happened. But it seems to be affecting all of us now and our comfort with the board, so maybe it is time that it was dealt with in a more effective manner, or if it has been dealt with, maybe you need a breather to heal? I really don't even know what to say at this point.

[funky_chicken]

When I first saw the pictures, I thought something was wrong. The fact that she didn't wear a bra, and also that she's running with regular Nike Air Max (as far as I can see)... No sweat, nothing. But on the other hand, if she really tried to fake it - no matter why - I guess she'd try harder so nobody would have a doubt...
aaaaah don't know, but I would like to see pictures of her during the marathon!!

[pacific breeze]

Originally Posted by january

OK, so even NWGirl says she didn't feel ganged up on. This is what I didn't understand from the get-go, why you (and this IS directed towards PB) felt she was. I guess my problem with this was that if she DID feel ganged up on, I have no doubt she would have been cool enough to bring it up herself. Instead this thread was derailed for no apparent reason.

Secondly, if you reread my post, I never directed anything towards you. I made a general statement regarding anyone who made condescending posts would obviously be smacked down by the other members. This was a general statement in response to you saying people were ganged up on, and since I've already said I don't see anyone ganging up on you, I fail to see how this statement was all about you. Please let me know where I said you - specifically you - talked down to me or others.

Thirdly, PB I do find you to be a very smart and articulate woman. I wish that whatever happened to you, hadn't of happened. But it seems to be affecting all of us now and our comfort with the board, so maybe it is time that it was dealt with in a more effective manner, or if it has been dealt with, maybe you need a breather to heal? I really don't even know what to say at this point.

I PMed you january. I re-read all of your posts, and you directly addressed me a number of times. You also used "you," and since the posts were written to me, it's only natural for me to think that you were talking about me. You may have been using "you" generically, but I don't think it's odd that I took it to mean me in that context. The internet makes communication challenging since I can't see you or hear your tone of voice, among other nuances.

nwgirl says she didn't feel ganged up on, I thought she was being ganged up on. Next time I won't bother to intervene; I've learned my lesson about fighting other people's battles unbidden. My mistake.

[january]

Perhaps. I'll check my PM now. Whatever the context, all I can tell you is that I emphatically was not meaning "you" in my posts, I do however use "you" often when I generalize, so perhaps it was taken out of context. I am confident if you were able to hear my tone, you wouldn't have felt the way you do. But alas, this is the problem with the internet. I'm sorry it was taken that way.

[Cali]

Originally Posted by pacific breeze

I don't like that there is very little tolerance for dissenting opinions in CELEB threads in particular. Believe me, it wasn't always that way.

But thats just the issue- I do not think that is the norm here. I've said plenty of things here that went against the common opinion here and things went on without incident. For example: I am rooting for Lindsay Lohan, I love Sienna Miller, and I despise Hilary Clinton but love Barack Obama. Oh, and I have a love / hate relationship with my Southern roots, which comes up frequently in the Britney threads. But through all of that, I've managed to have 'agree-to-disagree' contentions with fellow posters.

I DO NOT think that there is little tolerance for dissenting opinions here. I suspect this may be a gigantic miscommunication. Perhaps you arent aware of how you are coming across, and we aren't aware of how you intend to come across.

[pacific breeze]

SOME people are allowed to dissent, others are not. It's that's simple, and that complicated. And it is also a matter of miscommunication as you say. That is all I want to say about it publicly. I have to sign off as I'm teaching in the morning, but I will PM you Calimoonchild with some thoughts about this when I have more time.

[january]

Originally Posted by Calimoonchild

But thats just the issue- I do not think that is the norm here. I've said plenty of things here that went against the common opinion here and things went on without incident. For example: I am rooting for Lindsay Lohan, I love Sienna Miller, and I despise Hilary Clinton but love Barack Obama. Oh, and I have a love / hate relationship with my Southern roots, which comes up frequently in the Britney threads. But through all of that, I've managed to have 'agree-to-disagree' contentions with fellow posters.

I DO NOT think that there is little tolerance for dissenting opinions here. I suspect this may be a gigantic miscommunication. Perhaps you arent aware of how you are coming across, and we aren't aware of how you intend to come across.

Oh Cali you know I seriously was starting to fall in love with you a bit and then you had to reveal that you like Sienna Miller Now I may have to rethink our relationship.

[pacific breeze]

^^I also root for Lindsay, but prefer Hillary to Obama, think Sienna is vain and untalented, and like AJ ONLY because she is never boring, at least to me, lol.

[Honey]

Originally Posted by funky_chicken

When I first saw the pictures, I thought something was wrong. The fact that she didn't wear a bra, and also that she's running with regular Nike Air Max (as far as I can see)... No sweat, nothing. But on the other hand, if she really tried to fake it - no matter why - I guess she'd try harder so nobody would have a doubt...
aaaaah don't know, but I would like to see pictures of her during the marathon!!

I don't think pics of her running the actual marathon exist, how weird is that?

[january]

Well I love me some Catherine Zeta Jones and I will flat out ignore everyone here who calls her a bitch. She's MY bitch, I love that mean woman. She's the sex. And thats definitely not a popular opinion amongst these parts! I also like Jennifer Lopez, which will probably get some shoes thrown my way.

Honey, thats what I take issue with as well, especially regarding how high profile she is. How did that (not) occur?

[funky_chicken]

Originally Posted by Honey

I don't think pics of her running the actual marathon exist, how weird is that?

I can remember Puffy running the marathon. There were tons of photos...

[Cali]

Originally Posted by january

Oh Cali you know I seriously was starting to fall in love with you a bit and then you had to reveal that you like Sienna Miller Now I may have to rethink our relationship.

Aw I'm still falling in love with you, it can be a codependent, dysfunctional relationship.

I love Sienna. I just find her so quirky and uncensored, its so refreshing. She doesnt get the rules of the press and she doesnt care anyway and she's just always herself. I love her. I even love how she seems to have fallen in love with Rhys. They fit in an odd vintage-loving sense.

I LOVE this clip of her: The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - Sienna Miller Pt. 1 - SPIKE Powered By IFILM

She hates Paris, thats gotta count for something! And i love how she quotes artists and shes so animated and quirky.