Courtney Love on Frances Bean Cobain: 'teenagers are hard'

[Sweetie]

Originally Posted by Appollonia

Why is it so hard to accept that Kurt Cobain killed himself? I was never a Nirvana fan so I don't really care but I never understood the crackpot murder theories. Yes, I called them crackpot.

Seriously! He was a doped out, loser, heroin addict that battled more than one type of illness. He has the perfect background of a person that would commit suicide.

[MrsDark]

Let's hope she's more like her dad.

Er....except for that suicide thing. (Even though I personally think he was murdered)

[GoldDust77]

Originally Posted by KrisNine

The best thing that happened to Courtney Love was Kurt Cobain's death. She was not much before him, his death coincided with the release of Hole's first album. I believe it was released the week after his suicide. Most of the songs were ghost written by Kurt, which is evident because she hasn't had a much success on her own....other than the album Billy Corgan wrote. The other guys in Nirvana can't stand her. When Kurt "disappeared" she cancelled his credit cards, against the advice of law enforcement because credit card trails are one of the best ways to find someone.

^^All great points KN, and ones that i wanted to include in my above super-long post but didn't to try & keep the post as brief as i could. I mean, like you said, WHY the hell did she cancel his credit cards??!!? When they were trying to trail him??!? One of HUNDREDS of such bizarre things she did, that, to me, definitively point toward her having him murdered.

[VenusInFauxFurs]

I don't know, if there was so much overwhelming evidence against her then why isn't she banged up for it? Or at least at a minimum why wasn't she questioned for it or taken to trial?

[GoldDust77]

Originally Posted by VenusInFauxFurs

I don't know, if there was so much overwhelming evidence against her then why isn't she banged up for it? Or at least at a minimum why wasn't she questioned for it or taken to trial?

The reason is because after the INEPT cops mistakenly called it a suicide (the hit person/people did, obviously, do a decent job setting it up to look like a suicide), there was a bunch of copy-cat suicides. In fact, some kid blew his head off with a gun during the memorial service for Kurt. So, even though many facts came to light pointing towards murder, the cops did NOT want to reopen it, because then they would look HORRIBLE given that there were these kids who committed suicide because Kurt *committed suicide*. So they shut the case & moved on, so they wouldn't look bad. Imagine the outrage from the families of the dead people who emulated Kurt, if it were announced that Kurt did not, in fact, kill himself? Those dead people would be alive. The Seattle (or whatever Seattle suburb town) Police Department would look TERRIBLE, and kind of "have blood on their hands". They did not want that kind of publicity, nor to admit they were wrong. They took the easy way out. And to save face.

[VenusInFauxFurs]

Fuck it, it's about justice. I don't actually remember an enormous slew of copy cat suicides, Besides if anything a murder investigation could have prevented that. So in a sense they had a responsibility to pursue the the investigation, if they thought there was foul play; because of the bigger ramifications -- ie: who the victim was and the implications of how he died etc..

Sure the police department would have looked terrible if they reopened the case. But you can't blame a kid killing himself on the police department doing a botched job. Same as you can't blame a kid killing himself on the fact that his favourite rock star did, it's a bit more complex than that and it's rather foolish of a parent to do that.

[Sweetie]

Originally Posted by GoldDust77

The reason is because after the INEPT cops mistakenly called it a suicide (the hit person/people did, obviously, do a decent job setting it up to look like a suicide), there was a bunch of copy-cat suicides. In fact, some kid blew his head off with a gun during the memorial service for Kurt. So, even though many facts came to light pointing towards murder, the cops did NOT want to reopen it, because then they would look HORRIBLE given that there were these kids who committed suicide because Kurt *committed suicide*. So they shut the case & moved on, so they wouldn't look bad. Imagine the outrage from the families of the dead people who emulated Kurt, if it were announced that Kurt did not, in fact, kill himself? Those dead people would be alive. The Seattle (or whatever Seattle suburb town) Police Department would look TERRIBLE, and kind of "have blood on their hands". They did not want that kind of publicity, nor to admit they were wrong. They took the easy way out. And to save face.

I am sorry but that is most far fetched reasoning I have ever heard. I am not saying it didn't happen that way, but, if it did the whole police force should be fired. That just sounds so stupid. (I am not talking about you, btw, just the cops train of thought process. )

[VenusInFauxFurs]

Add to the mix that he was open about his bipolar disorder that puts him at risk for suicide. I can't get why people refuse to believe that he couldn't have killed himself. Or at least wanted to die. I'm not saying the conspiracy theories aren't true, but it's possible he wanted to take the suicide bus.

[GoldDust77]

I totally agree with you guys that the Police Department's reluctance to reopen the case, and their apparent reasoning for refusing to do so, is STUPID. Justice needs to be served, and like i think you said or alluded to, Venus, that should be the #1 priority. But police departments do many STUPID things, especially when it comes to covering their own asses. I think they figured, we already declared it a suicide, the dude is dead, lets just let this issue rest.--They didn't want to do the hard work of investigating. And anyway, it came to light slowly over time, not right after the discovery of Kurt's body, these revelations making it look suspiciously like murder.

Like i said earlier, i too used to believe 100% that Kurt offed himself. Then i read Tom Grant's website (cobaincase.com), and he knows the facts better than anyone as he was the Private Investigator on the critical days & after and witnessed pretty much everything...and the website JusticeForKurt.com. To me, the facts are indisputable. Tom Grant even has tape-recorded conversations posted with highly suspicious statements made by Courtney, as well as TONS of other evidence.

[sweetness]

Originally Posted by princesspink

Oh please!! Anyone who has followed Curt Cobain's life (there are numerous biographies available) knows Curt had his own problems. Even if she did drive him up the wall, Curt was solely responsible for killing himself. And even though his relationship with Courteney wasnt picture perfect, he always thought Courteney was the woman for him. Drugs and pills had damaged Curt beyond belief...a month before he killed himself, he attempted suicide in Europe when Courteney said she didnt feel like having sex.

Get your facts right before blaming people for killing others.

Hey Courtney! ()

Maybe YOU should try reading some of the many facts in GoldDust77's post (#38).

By the way GoldDust, that old punk dude was named El Duche' (sp?).

[Bijoux]

Originally Posted by VenusInFauxFurs

Add to the mix that he was open about his bipolar disorder that puts him at risk for suicide. I can't get why people refuse to believe that he couldn't have killed himself. Or at least wanted to die. I'm not saying the conspiracy theories aren't true, but it's possible he wanted to take the suicide bus.

The only reason I think he was killed is because of the amount of heroin in his body at the time of death. Invesigators have said it is next to impossible for someone with that much heroin in their system to pick up and hold anything...let alone a shot gun...which was too long for him even to reach with his hands while holding the barrel to his head. That's really the only thing that I find fishy...but than again...he was a selfish turd and wanted to die, so it would have happened anyway.

[VenusInFauxFurs]

Has anybody come forth and claimed that somebody else, besides himself injected him with that heroin? Just curious.. 'cuz I love me some good conspiracy theories.

[Grimmlok]

i thought he pulled the trigger with his big toe.. easy to set that up, shoot up, and then blammo

[sweetness]

The heroin addict I knew couldn't even sit up or keep the drool in his mouth when he was messed up.

Not sure how Kurt could've operated that gun all by himself.....

[princesspink]

Originally Posted by VenusInFauxFurs

I don't know, if there was so much overwhelming evidence against her then why isn't she banged up for it? Or at least at a minimum why wasn't she questioned for it or taken to trial?

Exactly!

Originally Posted by sweetness

Hey Courtney! ()

Is that your argument?

Originally Posted by Bijoux

Many experts have said that Kurt couldn't possibly have held a shot gun to his head with the amount of heroin in his body at the time of death. The postion of his body and the gun etc. It looks suspicious. I totally beleive that Courtney hired someone to kill Kurt and make it look like a suicide. Even the suicide note was written with two different pens and the writing was different from the begining compared to the end, suggesting that two different people wrote the suicide note. Kurt was planning on divorce. Courtney wanted his money. Well planned. She may be cracked out but the bitch is smart.

1)Yes, the amount of heroin in Kurt's body was enough to make him OD. That is true.

2)No killer is stupid enough to leave an obviously fake suicide note.

3)It was Courteney Love who wanted to get divorced. She had contacted her lawyer in January.

4)Kurt was the product of a divorced marriage. A lot of his problems stemmed from his parent's failed relationship. He really feared getting divorced for his daughter Francis Bean. That is why he wrote is his suicide note.... (something like)......Im a father to a daughter who reminds me too much of myself.

5)If Courteney really wanted him to be dead, she wouldn't have taken him to the hospital on March 3 1994 after his first suicide attempt, thereby saving his life. She was sleeping when he tried to kill himself; she could have left him there to die. This was just a month before he died.