Courtney Love on Frances Bean Cobain: 'teenagers are hard'

[gossip_moll]

Originally Posted by MissVenus

How could you possibly be so stupid as to fret about your daughter going out alone only to then not remember that the movie she was going to see was predominantly about suicide...?

Seriously, she is either totally out of it or she suffers from the biggest brain farts in the world.

[mistify]

Originally Posted by GoldDust77

^^Exactly, Venus. I am appalled that Courtney let Frances see the movie "Control". It is about the super-talented rock-star Ian Curtis (lead singer of the great late-70s/early-80s band Joy Division), who had a wife & baby daughter and successful music career, but had demons he could not overcome, and so he committed suicide while in his mid-20s. Gee--sound familiar? Seeing that movie must have been very hard for poor Frances to watch, given what happened with her own dad which is SO similar. And AS IF Courtney was unaware of the story of Ian Curtis. GREAT mother she is.

^^I totally agree, Sweetness. Even given what i said above, what i truly believe is that Courtney did indeed have Kurt murdered. (Don't get me started on that topic!--I could blabber on & on & on & on about the overwhelming evidence!...)

you must have seen the stuff I saw.. That PI that gave up his practice cause he is convinced she did it?? Or had it done, or pushed him into it.

[sweetness]

Originally Posted by VenusInFauxFurs

Courtney Love is a petulant teenager contained in the body of a drug-fucked, slack-titted, middle-aged, has-been with a face pulled tighter than a British member of Parliament's arsehole.

Perfect description!

Originally Posted by SophieOrangeBerry

I don't care for courtney but i refuse to believe she killed him until all evidence points otherwise.

She wouldn't have done it herself, she would've hired a professional. There would've been lots of careful planning involved, especially when it came to her alibi.

Supposedly Kurt was getting ready to dump her ass so she offed him before he could file the papers.

[Pandora]

From what I've seen of this girl, she's the mother and Courtney is the screwed up teen.

[Appollonia]

Why is it so hard to accept that Kurt Cobain killed himself? I was never a Nirvana fan so I don't really care but I never understood the crackpot murder theories. Yes, I called them crackpot.

[princesspink]

Originally Posted by sweetness

"We get [along] well most of the time but teenagers are hard. Being a single mother is hard."

Well, you shouldn't have killed her daddy then!!

And besides, cry me a f*ckin river about being a single mother of ONE child when you have
nannies and housekeepers and sh*t.

Oh please!! Anyone who has followed Curt Cobain's life (there are numerous biographies available) knows Curt had his own problems. Even if she did drive him up the wall, Curt was solely responsible for killing himself. And even though his relationship with Courteney wasnt picture perfect, he always thought Courteney was the woman for him. Drugs and pills had damaged Curt beyond belief...a month before he killed himself, he attempted suicide in Europe when Courteney said she didnt feel like having sex.

Get your facts right before blaming people for killing others.

[Ewok]

I dont believe kurt was murdered but i do believe he was pretty much left to get on and commit suicide. I personally have never understood the whole 'he went missing for a week before his death' thing. I mean, come on. He was at his house, they cant have looked hard!!

I dont think he had a lot of support during this tough time he was going through. I think suicide is avoidable but people need help/support (including drug addicts!) and not condemnation/judgemental attitudes towards them. When someone is that depressed and ill and this is exasperated with drugs they need someone to look out for them 100%. If you take sharon obsourne for example, and no matter what you think of her, you can tell she completely loves ozzy. She basically kept ozzy alive during his bad addiction years. Unfortuantely for kurt he had noone who was looking out for him and he probably knew that too.

Like to add that just because you are a drug addict it doesnt automatically make you a bad person. Life tends to be more complicated than this.

[GoldDust77]

Originally Posted by mistify

you must have seen the stuff I saw.. That PI that gave up his practice cause he is convinced she did it?? Or had it done, or pushed him into it.

Yes Mystify, i bet we've read the same things. Anybody who thinks Kurt Cobain killed himself should check out Tom Grant's (the Private Investigator/ex-cop you mention, who Courtney hired to help her *find Kurt*) website cobaincase.com, as well as the website JusticeForKurt.com, if they are interested. IMO, the evidence is overwhelming. I'll try to keep it relatively brief--Here are the top 5 pieces of evidence that immediately jump to mind, out of TONS MORE:

A) Like Sweetness said, Courtney had someone else do the murder. She hired someone to do the hit. An old fucked-up L.A. punk-rocker friend of Courtney's (can't remember his name) went on record saying that Courtney had offered him $50,000 to kill Kurt--and the conversation was witnessed by another person. Less than 1 WEEK after Kurt's death, that punk-rocker dude mysteriously was found dead on some railroad tracks.

B) Also like Sweetness said, Kurt was about to file for divorce (on the grounds of infidelity by Courtney). This was confirmed by his attorney, Rosemary something.--Who also told the P.I. that she believed Courtney had him murdered. Courtney had freaked out because she was not going to get any, or all that much, money out of Kurt. She had him killed before he could file the papers. Kurt's death made money-hungry Courtney very rich. (Remember at the time, her album with her band Hole hadn't yet come out yet/she wasn't rich/successful on her own terms yet.)

C) The "suicide note" was actually just a note Kurt wrote about his intentions to leave the music business. But suspiciously, at the bottom, after the original note was written, SOMEONE added in the short little part indicating he was committing suicide.--And it is in obviously DIFFERENT HANDWRITING.

D) There is a LOT of forensic evidence pointing toward murder & away from suicide. For example, Kurt was shot up with SO MUCH heroin (an INCREDIBLE amount) that it would have killed him INSTANTLY. So, he would have obviously been unable to pull the trigger on the gun. Can't argue with science! And there's a lot of other stuff too--like the shotgun was too long or something for him to have been able to pull the trigger at the angle he supposedly did...and issues of him not having gunpowder residue on him or something.

E) Courtney led the P.I. she hired on a wild-goose chase while they were supposedly *searching for Kurt*--thus making sure that there was ample time for the murder to occur. It is ridiculous, the suspicious stuff she did while with the P.I. And like someone else pointed out, all along Kurt WAS IN HIS OWN HOUSE!!! HELLO!!??!

I could go on & on... I'll stop here. I have to admit, i always believed Kurt took his own life.--UNTIL i researched it. After actually reading about the facts: NO EFFING WAY.

[AliceInWonderland]

dumb bitch.

[princesspink]

Originally Posted by Ewok

I dont believe kurt was murdered but i do believe he was pretty much left to get on and commit suicide. I personally have never understood the whole 'he went missing for a week before his death' thing. I mean, come on. He was at his house, they cant have looked hard!!

I dont think he had a lot of support during this tough time he was going through. I think suicide is avoidable but people need help/support (including drug addicts!) and not condemnation/judgemental attitudes towards them. When someone is that depressed and ill and this is exasperated with drugs they need someone to look out for them 100%. If you take sharon obsourne for example, and no matter what you think of her, you can tell she completely loves ozzy. She basically kept ozzy alive during his bad addiction years. Unfortuantely for kurt he had noone who was looking out for him and he probably knew that too.

Like to add that just because you are a drug addict it doesnt automatically make you a bad person. Life tends to be more complicated than this.

There was a policeman stationed outside Curt's house when Courteney and his mom filed the 'missing' complaint.

Also, maybe she wasnt there enough for him....still, i think its idiotic of people to casually remark that Courteney killed Curt.

[yanna]

Courtney Love on bears: "They shit in the forest"

[Bijoux]

Many experts have said that Kurt couldn't possibly have held a shot gun to his head with the amount of heroin in his body at the time of death. The postion of his body and the gun etc. It looks suspicious. I totally beleive that Courtney hired someone to kill Kurt and make it look like a suicide. Even the suicide note was written with two different pens and the writing was different from the begining compared to the end, suggesting that two different people wrote the suicide note. Kurt was planning on divorce. Courtney wanted his money. Well planned. She may be cracked out but the bitch is smart.

[Morticia]

Courtney Love should thank her lucky stars that her daughter has remained relatively normal considering her lot in life, particularly with a troubled mother like hers. I'm thinking the credit goes to the grandma she stayed with for a while.

[GoldDust77]

Originally Posted by Morticia

Courtney Love should thank her lucky stars that her daughter has remained relatively normal considering her lot in life, particularly with a troubled mother like hers. I'm thinking the credit goes to the grandma she stayed with for a while.

^^I'm thinking that too. I hope & pray Frances has had a relatively normal, happy life.
I was listening to some old Nirvana today...What a loss that that unique & wonderful voice of Kurt's was silenced forever...

[KrisNine]

The best thing that happened to Courtney Love was Kurt Cobain's death. She was not much before him, his death coincided with the release of Hole's first album. I believe it was released the week after his suicide. Most of the songs were ghost written by Kurt, which is evident because she hasn't had a much success on her own....other than the album Billy Corgan wrote. The other guys in Nirvana can't stand her. When Kurt "disappeared" she cancelled his credit cards, against the advice of law enforcement because credit card trails are one of the best ways to find someone.