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    Quote Originally Posted by greysfang View Post
    I don't think that's comparing apples and oranges. She said how expensive medication is, I'm just pointing out that as far as a threshhold for expensive, that drug she's shilling is nowhere in the realm of expensive.
    Well, if you really want to talk, Chemo drugs are off the charts expensive! I feel for anyone that doesn't have some kind of insurance to deal with that shit.

    Its all relative I guess.


    And my two cents on Deen and Bourdain: fuck em both. Yea, a threesome! Where's Crumpet?? She can bring the butter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LynnieD View Post
    Well, if you really want to talk, Chemo drugs are off the charts expensive! I feel for anyone that doesn't have some kind of insurance to deal with that shit.

    Its all relative I guess.


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    i remember asking how much each of my chemo treatments were in 2002 when i went through that shit. 15,000 EACH TREATMENT. i'm glad i had awesome insurance.

    i talked to my doc about the drug Paula Deen is on, she said one thing that people use it for is weight loss alone. I see the diabetes doc next month and thats on my list of things to see about getting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twitchy2.0 View Post
    Gotta update celebrity death list. BRB.
    Don't forget MTM. I gotta get over to that thread...

    Quote Originally Posted by Laurent View Post
    I think the burger in doughnuts is called a Luther burger after Luther Vandross. It's seriously beef between two glazed doughnuts. The thing is like 1,000 calories by itself.
    That is just disgusting. And I'm an overweight person who WOULD eat a whole red velvet cake at one sitting if it were physically possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeSlice View Post
    Does this mean her cooter won't taste like butter anymore?
    I'm sure she'll begin daily manual application to remedy any potential flavor issues.

    Quote Originally Posted by fgg View Post
    How Paula Deen Is (and Isn't) Changing Her Diet
    "...Deen is collaborating with drug maker Novo Nordisk and just launched Diabetes in a New Light but says she also wants to reach out to her fans.

    "I want to try to get across moderation," she says. "My fans see me two to three times a day on TV, watching me cook my Southern food, and it's hard for them to realize that's only 30 days out of the year that I film those shows. So that leaves 335 to 336 days left that I'm not eating those foods."
    Oh RIGHT. She eats healthily and moderately the other 335 days a year, and that is why she is diabetic and overweight.

    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    Barbara Walters has laid into Dean, too:

    When cookbook author Paula Deen appeared on "The View" on ABC Tuesday, host Barbara Walters lashed out at her for pushing fattening food for children. Deen, a zaftig, Georgia restaurant owner, was on the program to plug her book, "Paula Deen's Cookbook for the Lunchbox Set."
    "This is a cookbook for kids. Obesity is the No. 1 problem for kids today. Everything you have here is enormously fattening," scolded Walters as she sat by the famous chef. "You tell kids to have cheesecake for breakfast. You tell them to have chocolate cake and meatloaf for lunch. And french fries. Doesn't it bother you that you're adding to this?"
    All things in moderation, counseled Deen. "No, I'm not saying they should eat like this every day," she said.
    Walters snapped that Deen's book is hardly a lesson in moderation. "Not when you're giving them this!"
    Team Barbara. Of course people have free will...ADULT people. We have an epidemic of fat children in this country. Paula Deen is not solely responsible for that, but why should she help make the problem worse? She has choices too...

    Quote Originally Posted by sluce View Post
    I think there are a lot more people who have Di-uh-bee-tus than MS. That means more scripts written at $500 per month.
    Expensive is defined relative to what you earn, not to what other medications/treatments cost. For many people, $500 a month would be at least difficult, if not literally prohibitive. In fact, I have a diabetic friend who's dying by inches because he cannot afford just about that amount. He is supporting his elderly, disabled parents and his kid.

    Fuck the drug companies and fuck Paula Deen.

    Quote Originally Posted by CornFlakegrl View Post
    Paula's not responsible for what people eat, but there is something skeevy and underhanded about handing someone a deep fried ball of butter wrapped in bacon with your right hand, and then passing them a diabetes pill with your left.
    THIS. Gross, gross, gross. She should be ashamed of herself. Again, I don't mind rich food, hell I often love it. But this is just some morally queasy shit here.
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    ^^ Expensive is defined by what you earn if you are not insured. Most people are insured so I am talking about expense in terms of costs to insurers - which we all pay for in the end. There are many more people with diabetes than MS. So insurance companies are paying for many more $500 per month treatments which really adds up.
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    It's also relative in relation to drugs used to treat the same illness. If it's more expensive than the traditional drugs, it's a windfall for the drug company if they can push people toward it instead of cheaper treatments.

    Diabetes is also a sort of volume illness- so many people have it. The market for diabetes drugs is enormous.

    From what I'm reading many insurance companies aren't covering this drug, and some that are want to see failure to respond to other drugs like Byetta before covering this.



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    There are older drugs like metformin and glyburide that are generic and inexpensive.

    Then there are the TZDs, like Avandia and the other one whose name I forget introduced in the 1990s, I think. They've been linked to serious side effects and I believe Avandia is off the market altogether.

    The newer ones, Byetta, Januvia, and Victorza are all still on-patent and are premium priced.

    I know that Victorza and I think maybe Byetta and Januvia assist in weight loss, while some of the other antidiabetic agents tend to promote weight gain. So right there you can see why these drugs would be appealing. But you must also consider that newer drugs have not had time to accrue an extensive safety track record.

    What you are seeing is the typical pharma push to get rapid uptake of newer drugs and make as much as they can while they're on-patent, and before any safety issues emerge that might only become evident with thousands or tens of thousands of patients using them.

    It's business as usual, and it's kind of hideous when you consider how many of these patients could be controlled or even cured without any meds if nutrition, weight loss, and exercise were pushed instead of drugs.

    Trust me, every time the American population gets fatter, the CEOs at the pharma companies are rubbing their hands together in delight.

    When thinking about cost, you have to factor in the number of patients and the fact that these products are taken daily, possibly for the rest of the patient's life. (As opposed to something like an antibiotic.) Ka-ching!

    Also remember that the cost to individual patients is one thing--it's the cost of Type 2 diabetes to the entire system that is truly staggering, and we all pay for that, one way or another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msdeb View Post
    well, one good thing may come out of this for me. I have a doc appt today and one of the things that i'm going to ask about is the drug Paula is taking, Victoza.

    Fuck that asshole Bourdain.
    I was given Victoza back in August, a one month's sample. It was working, my bg was averaging in the low 70s consistently. My insurance denied the prescription, I had to switch to Byetta. I can go back to the Victoza if the Byetta isn't working. Plus side to Victoza, it suppresses appetite so I lost almost 20 pounds in the month with diet changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greysfang View Post
    Fuck Bourdain. Pompous jackass.
    Quote Originally Posted by fgg View Post
    so it's ok that we're calling her out for becoming a spokeswoman but it isn't ok for bourdain to do it? hmm.
    Quote Originally Posted by msdeb View Post
    well, one good thing may come out of this for me. I have a doc appt today and one of the things that i'm going to ask about is the drug Paula is taking, Victoza.

    Fuck that asshole Bourdain.
    The thing with Bourdain is that he's a heavy drinker, and should not pass judgment on how chefs supposedly endanger the health of others. Bourdain should change is name to BOREdain - he's become such a dullard since he became a dad and quit smoking. And once he even said he liked Paula, IIRC, during his first rant on TV chefs, although then he said her food was not healthy. But he did say he'd love to hang out with her. Now he's just talking shit to get his name in the papers. And his new show The Layover, is like watching someone clip their toenails.

    Paula's food doesn't bother me as much as her onscreen antics do at times. She looks foolish when she flirts with the male guests or when she says stuff to her sons like, "Y'all know I told ya, to always rub yo' meat!". I feel so ashamed for her. But I also know her food is not for everyday. Even a chunky foodie like me cringes at a hamburger that uses a Krispy Kreme donut as one of its ingredients. Or her deep-fried mac and cheese.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BITTER View Post
    Even a chunky foodie like me cringes at a hamburger that uses a Krispy Kreme donut as one of its ingredients. Or her deep-fried mac and cheese.
    I'm not a foodie, and we have a type 2 diabetic in the house, so it's difficult for me to separate my personal experience from Paula Deen, her cooking, and her shilling Victoza. My wife lost two aunts to Type 2 diabetes. First their legs turned gangrene and had to be cut off. Then, a few months later, they just keeled over and died - probably from weakened hearts. My wife is thin, but her doctor said she's not out of the woods for developing diabetes at some point because of the genetic component in her family. So, seeing Paula Deen's antics makes my head spin.

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    I may be in the minority here, but I do not think she (or anyone else for that matter) is obligated to disclose any medical condition they may have, unless it directly affects someone else, such as STDs.

    As for her cookbook geared towards school aged children - I'm sure the kids aren't buying the cookbooks.

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    ^^ Uh, that doesn't apply here.

    When you're not shilling a drug you can keep your medical history quiet. When you sell a drug, then you are directly affecting other people.



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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    I'm not a foodie, and we have a type 2 diabetic in the house, so it's difficult for me to separate my personal experience from Paula Deen, her cooking, and her shilling Victoza. My wife lost two aunts to Type 2 diabetes. First their legs turned gangrene and had to be cut off. Then, a few months later, they just keeled over and died - probably from weakened hearts. My wife is thin, but her doctor said she's not out of the woods for developing diabetes at some point because of the genetic component in her family. So, seeing Paula Deen's antics makes my head spin.
    I'm so sorry to hear about your aunties, Mohandas. That sucks. Diabetes runs in my family too - two of my dads siblings died from its complications. The alcoholism didn't help matters either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dksnj View Post
    I may be in the minority here, but I do not think she (or anyone else for that matter) is obligated to disclose any medical condition they may have, unless it directly affects someone else, such as STDs.
    It would have looked a little weird for Deen to release a book called "Diabetes in a New Light" while withholding the fact that she herself had diabetes.

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    I'm so sorry to hear about your aunties, Mohandas. That sucks. Diabetes runs in my family too - two of my dads siblings died from its complications. The alcoholism didn't help matters either.
    Thanks. My wife's mom (who is type 2 also) made lifestyle changes and has outlived her sisters by more than 10 years. On the alcohol note, I think it's supposed to be particularly bad, especially because people don't seem to realize the sugar/carb content of alcohol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    Thanks. My wife's mom (who is type 2 also) made lifestyle changes and has outlived her sisters by more than 10 years. On the alcohol note, I think it's supposed to be particularly bad, especially because people don't seem to realize the sugar/carb content of alcohol.
    One of my old drinking buddies was a diabetic; he'd do his insulin shots in the bar. On occasion, I'd go to dinner with him and a mutual friend. He'd always get a rich meal, including a luscious dessert. And without fail, we'd return to our watering hole, and he'd order a B&B liqueur or two (or three) to "wash down his dinner".

    He died two years ago at an Atlantic City casino where he worked - he simply, like your aunts, keeled over and died.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BITTER View Post
    One of my old drinking buddies was a diabetic; he'd do his insulin shots in the bar. On occasion, I'd go to dinner with him and a mutual friend. He'd always get a rich meal, including a luscious dessert. And without fail, we'd return to our watering hole, and he'd order a B&B liqueur or two (or three) to "wash down his dinner".

    He died two years ago at an Atlantic City casino where he worked - he simply, like your aunts, keeled over and died.
    Wow. In some ways, it's really sad, but I was just scanning an article where some diabetics rated the stress of maintaining the kind of diet and lifestyle necessary to manage glycemic levels as worse than the secondary effects of neglecting to manage their diabetes properly.

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