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    well, one good thing may come out of this for me. I have a doc appt today and one of the things that i'm going to ask about is the drug Paula is taking, Victoza.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fgg View Post
    so it's ok that we're calling her out for becoming a spokeswoman but it isn't ok for bourdain to do it? hmm.
    Where did I call out Paula?
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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    I don't have an issue with an obese woman pushing crap food on tv. It's a free society, and you can do what you want, your body and health. It's no skin off my ass if people steam shovel shit into themselves and need to ride around on scooters 'cause they're too fat to walk. Go USA!!


    I do however have a huge problem with her pushing the drug, and a larger problem with our drug companies in general.
    I just looked it up. I didn't realize that Victoza is an injectible, not an oral, medication. It's also supposed to be used, according to the NIH web site, when other type 2 medications have already been tried but are no longer effective. It really seems like one step away from being on injectible insulin.

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    They're pushing this drug hard, because it's expensive- about $500 for a month's dosage.


    On Bourdain, I agree with him. She's what we would call talking out of both sides of her mouth here. Making money from overindulgence and then treatment from the effects. She can do what she likes, but she should expect to get called on it.


    The Evil Marketing Genius of Paula Deen, the New Face of Diabetes

    The television personality and southern food mogul waited three years before telling anyone she had developed type 2 diabetes. Why?


    Yesterday, television personality and southern food mogul Paula Deen stopped by NBC's Today show and revealed to Al Roker -- and the rest of the world -- that she has been living with type 2 diabetes for several years. The carefully staged appearance -- and the rumors circulating about it for days before -- is one of the first steps in Deen's quest to rebrand herself as the new patron saint of healthy foods. But her approach to the issue has angered her critics, new and old, who feel she's deliberately avoiding any tangible connection between the butter-heavy diet she's spent years promoting on various Food Network programs and the onset of her disease.

    Among the many strange health-related proclamations made during the Today show segment ("No, people are not gonna quit eating. We quit eating, we're all outta here" -- there apparently being no middle ground between abject gluttony and starving yourself), Deen painted diabetes as a game of chance, the result of "genetics," "stress," and, last but not least, "age." Her food, she claimed, was tangentially related at best. "Certainly Al," she said when asked about the effects of her cooking on her health, "that is part of the puzzle, but there's many other things that can lead to diabetes."
    Roker tried to approach the issue but was quickly rebuffed. "Absolutely, I have been compensated just as you are for your work," Deen said.
    Deen also claims that she has always promoted moderation when it comes to her style of cooking and should not be held responsible as an entertainer for the lifestyles of others. "I'm your cook, not your doctor," she said.

    Except now she kind of is.

    In conjunction with her "coming out," Deen has announced her new position as spokesperson for the Danish pharmaceutical giant, Novo Nordisk. The company manufactures Victoza, a non-insulin injectable diabetes medication which Deen is slinging from her new website, Diabetes in a New Light. Roker tried to approach the issue with Deen -- "We should mention you're a paid spokesman for Novo Nordisk," he said -- but was quickly rebuffed. "Absolutely, I have been compensated just as you are for your work. Yes," Deen responded. Moving on.

    And that's the part, even if we know little about the specifics, that makes us feel uncomfortable. That's the part of this picture that's a little off. The "entertainer vs. educator" debate exists in a gray area that we know all too well. You might put it next to the same murky conversation -- ongoing argument? -- about violence in videogames, school shootings, and heavy metal music. Or every other "Is culture us or are we culture" quandary. Can you have one without the other? Must there be a relationship?

    What's really unsettling here is Deen's role as an apparatus for an industry that sees more money in perfecting the expensive (for the patients) management of a disease instead of working harder to find a cure or to promote prevention, in which there is no viable financial market. Diabetes, a widespread, little-understood, but completely manageable disease, is a potentially evergreen market.

    Deen's new lifestyle plan, as expressed on both Roker's couch and her new website, isn't about preventing diabetes or educating people about what factors -- dietary or otherwise -- might increase or reduce their risk of developing the disease, but learning to live with it after its apparently inevitable onset. "I'm here today to let the world know that it is not a death sentence," Deen says. "I'm gonna be there for you and help you manage every day of your life with this, because it can be done."

    The level of ruthless business acumen on display here is deeply disturbing. Deen has known about her diabetes for years now -- years that she spent promoting the deep-fried, chocolate- and sugar-covered, on-a-stick diet that got her into this position in the first place. She didn't wait to announce the news because, as she put it, she "had nothing to give to my fellow friends out there." She could have given them new recipes, advice for living a healthier lifestyle, and some warnings about the causes of type 2 diabetes. Instead, she waited until she could corner the market on the (very likely) next phase of her constituents' lifestyle: a $500 per month Victoza prescription.


    The Evil Marketing Genius of Paula Deen, the New Face of Diabetes - Daniel D. Snyder - Health - The Atlantic



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    I would listen to Bourdain if this was the first time her had attacked her. My personal belief is that he hates that a "down homesy" type of woman could be more popular than he is. He has had a hard on for her for a long time. I have never seen her shows or cooked one of her recipes. I get a kick out of her when she is on the Today Show but that's it. I find him to be a pompous arrogant bore.

    I do agree that medicines should not be allowed to be marketed on TV. I also love the study that came out this week showing the doctors who were wined and dined and taken on vacation by big pharma wrote a lot more scripts for those companies. Our doctors are sell outs and we are supposed to trust them. Then we bitch because our insurance rates are so high because medicines are so expensive. In the end, we are the ones paying for the perks big pharma gives to the our doctors.
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    Barbara Walters has laid into Dean, too:

    When cookbook author Paula Deen appeared on "The View" on ABC Tuesday, host Barbara Walters lashed out at her for pushing fattening food for children. Deen, a zaftig, Georgia restaurant owner, was on the program to plug her book, "Paula Deen's Cookbook for the Lunchbox Set."
    "This is a cookbook for kids. Obesity is the No. 1 problem for kids today. Everything you have here is enormously fattening," scolded Walters as she sat by the famous chef. "You tell kids to have cheesecake for breakfast. You tell them to have chocolate cake and meatloaf for lunch. And french fries. Doesn't it bother you that you're adding to this?"
    All things in moderation, counseled Deen. "No, I'm not saying they should eat like this every day," she said.
    Walters snapped that Deen's book is hardly a lesson in moderation. "Not when you're giving them this!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    They're pushing this drug hard, because it's expensive- about $500 for a month's dosage.


    On Bourdain, I agree with him. She's what we would call talking out of both sides of her mouth here. Making money from overindulgence and then treatment from the effects. She can do what she likes, but she should expect to get called on it.

    That is NOT expensive. The injectable treatments for multiple sclerosis are $4000/month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sluce View Post

    I do agree that medicines should not be allowed to be marketed on TV. I also love the study that came out this week showing the doctors who were wined and dined and taken on vacation by big pharma wrote a lot more scripts for those companies. Our doctors are sell outs and we are supposed to trust them. Then we bitch because our insurance rates are so high because medicines are so expensive. In the end, we are the ones paying for the perks big pharma gives to the our doctors.
    there is a big problem in pharma now because of the new rules and regs that have come down and pharma reps can no longer wine and dine docs. pharma reps are getting laid off left and right. pharma has no doubt greased the pockets of many docs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greysfang View Post
    That is NOT expensive. The injectable treatments for multiple sclerosis are $4000/month.
    She doesn't have MS though and that's probably pretty expensive for diabetes.
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    I don't think that's comparing apples and oranges. She said how expensive medication is, I'm just pointing out that as far as a threshhold for expensive, that drug she's shilling is nowhere in the realm of expensive.
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    I think there are a lot more people who have Di-uh-bee-tus than MS. That means more scripts written at $500 per month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twitchy2.0 View Post
    She doesn't have MS though and that's probably pretty expensive for diabetes.
    yes it is VERY expensive for a diabetes drug. as i said upthread, there are a lot of oral and injectible insulin products available so there is a lot of competition. relatively few products for MS, the one i am thinking of is a recombinant protein so is expensive (also because there is less competition).

    i like anthony bourdain. yeah, he can be pompous but i find him entertaining. i think his major issue is not really with paula as much as how food network has changed. he is a foodie and it is probably painful to see someone like sara moulton get cancelled while rachael ray gets tons of airtime.

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    Paula's not responsible for what people eat, but there is something skeevy and underhanded about handing someone a deep fried ball of butter wrapped in bacon with your right hand, and then passing them a diabetes pill with your left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post

    On Bourdain, I agree with him. She's what we would call talking out of both sides of her mouth here. Making money from overindulgence and then treatment from the effects. She can do what she likes, but she should expect to get called on it.
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    i like anthony bourdain. yeah, he can be pompous but i find him entertaining. i think his major issue is not really with paula as much as how food network has changed. he is a foodie and it is probably painful to see someone like sara moulton get cancelled while rachael ray gets tons of airtime.
    this and this.

    rachel ray and paula deen's cooking is an abomination. especially deen. it's like the 'twilight' versus actual literature. of course it makes sense that someone like bourdain would take issue with the fact that the stephanie meyers of food are being touted as real chefs.
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    ^^^ the thing is that i doubt anyone is touting paula or rachael as real chefs. but their food is closer to what some people eat compared with what a real chef cooks. personally, i don't care that food network gives so much time to paula, rachael, or bitter's honey, sandra lee. i just wish they also had real chefs like sara moulton back on the air.

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