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    Quote Originally Posted by Calico Kid View Post
    I thought maybe he was medicated too, but I didn't know if that's what he's really like. I found it hard to listen to him talk about raising 10 kids and doing car pools, etc, knowing he all but abandoned his older kids while they were growing up, and exploited rather than parented his younger ones. And the only reason he's gone public is because he was kicked into it when the paps caught him going for the laryngeal shave. It's sad he waited until the age of 65 to transition, and maybe he can do some good for the transgender community because of his fame, but I still don't think he's a hero.
    Quote Originally Posted by NickiDrea View Post
    I felt the EXACT same way when I saw the interview. I definitely thought he was being sarcastic. He did come off like a jerk during that portion of the interview.
    i was at a work retreat from friday to saturday and missed the interview. trying to catch up with clips on the internet.
    i think the sarcasm was a little defensive at times. it didn't make him unsympathetic though, even if it also came off as rehearsed. i got the impression that he's maybe not completely to terms with the whole thing himself. he said something at one point about how he realises that he's just about the unlikeliest person ever to be going through this. add to that the religious and conservative side of him and his age and the society he grew up in and it's possible that even though he's transgender, he's still been socialised and brought up with the same biases and prejudices about gay and transgender people. you see it in how adamant he is to make clear that he's not gay and that he identifies as heterosexual while also referring to himself as 'she'. he's gone back and forth with his transition throughout his whole life. left one wife to transition, took hormones, then met kris and stopped and got married and had kids and was bruce. and now he's finally going through with it.

    but he's also a kardashian and is going to milk it all the way.
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    and i see that Ryan Seacrest got his grubby little hands on the reality show for Bruce's change.
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    Well, if nothing else, this explains that whole nightmarish Christmas card fiasco.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoNoRehab View Post
    Fair enough, but if you're a woman and attracted to women, you ARE gay. You can't be a heterosexual lesbian. After he transitions, is he going to be a woman but still call himself a straight guy because he doesn't want to be associated with icky gays?
    He actually said that? Jesus.

    Bruce honey, you need to step away from the Kartrashians and go to a few LGBTIQ meetings. Maybe understand the lingo. You can be a woman and be attracted to women. It's called being a lesbian.
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    Maybe he just needs to go to a few LGBTIQ meetings full stop - maybe then he would be able to work out who he/she really is?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trixie View Post
    Kinda my thoughts as well, it makes no sense. It was a nice "soft" interview and while I don't doubt he is legit, they whitewashed a LOT. I read this article written by Linda Thompson and if you can get through all the flowery praise for Bruce, basically she says their split was due to his desire to transition, which she couldn't deal with (not as his wife anyway). So they divorce, he is taking female hormones for 5 years, has all kinds of plastic surgery and hair removal treatments, then he changes his mind, marries Kris and has more kids with her? During that time, he never paid child support or alimony (Thompson didn't want it--wtf?) and he basically abandoned his kids with Thompson for years and becomes a fucking Kardashian?

    I dunno, she's a better woman than me because I would be majorly PISSED off. And I don't believe for a minute that Kris didn't know, ummm the guy you're marrying totally feminized his features, has no hair on his face or body, and has boobs! I think their pairing was mostly about money--Kris managing his career (which was not much at the time and would probably have been nothing had he transitioned then) which of course morphed into the Kardashian empire and made them both mega rich.

    So now Bruce doesn't have to worry about making money as "Bruce Jenner former Olympian" and can finally be who he wants to be. Ok, good for him. But please, he's no saint.

    How Living With and Loving Bruce Jenner Changed My Life ForeverÂ*|Â*Linda Thompson
    When Kris spilt with her last husband she was completely skint. I think that she saw Bruce as a money-spinner & if he transitioned there would go his motivational speaker tours....


    Quote Originally Posted by Calico Kid View Post
    I thought maybe he was medicated too, but I didn't know if that's what he's really like. I found it hard to listen to him talk about raising 10 kids and doing car pools, etc, knowing he all but abandoned his older kids while they were growing up, and exploited rather than parented his younger ones. And the only reason he's gone public is because he was kicked into it when the paps caught him going for the laryngeal shave. It's sad he waited until the age of 65 to transition, and maybe he can do some good for the transgender community because of his fame, but I still don't think he's a hero.
    Its not unheard of fathers of 2nd or 3rd families to be much more involved. In fact I thought that at least half the time it was the norm since they were probably working flat out when they (the father) were younger starting out in a career, etc.



    Aaaaand having read the piece by Linda Thompson, wel,, she gets my respect!
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    Just saw this comment on an article about Bruce in our SF news: Zoe Tor who was once known as Copter Bob in LA said several things bothered him about this interview, one being that he seems reluctant to let Bruce Jenner go that he defines himself by that person, second that he has yet to come to terms with if you're a woman wanting to live with a woman that makes you a lesbian, he seemed concerned that had not been managed better in his counseling because when you change your gender it changes your life, his third issue was tying his journey to a cheap E! reality show, he thought it could influence his decision making and it made it look manufactured, that this should not be tied to ratings or vying for attention with the Kardashians show, he suggested he sever ties with them as much as possible as they will use him for their ratings. Keep his involvement with them private
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    I only saw a clip of the interview but from what I saw, he came off as coo-coo, and this has nothing to do with his transgender journey. He appeared impaired (drugs/alcohol?) and I didn't find him credible.

    I don't trust this at all. I think there's a chance we're all being played.

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    Default Kanye West comes up with some BS to keep himself relevant.

    Kanye West - Music Execs Made Him Feel Bruce Jenner's Pain

    4/26/2015 10:00 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

    EXCLUSIVE


    Kanye West
    was set up to play the hero -- helping Kim Kardashian better understand Bruce Jenner's transition -- thanks to a bunch of crap he himself had to take on while coming up in the music biz.

    As Jenner told Diane Sawyer ... Kanye lead Kim to a breakthrough by telling her everyone has to be true to themselves. Sources tell us Kanye was referring to how music execs made him feel about his identity in the rap game.
    We're told Kanye felt like he stood out when his career was taking off -- he was a rapper who also had strong interests in other fields, such as fashion. But he felt like the honchos ignored his true identity, and were constantly trying to mold him into someone they could market better.
    Sources say Kanye explained to Kim that standing up to those execs was the only thing that eventually brought him true happiness.
    Pretty savvy on Kanye's part ... to recognize Bruce going through the same thing he did, and then convey that to Kim.
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    Kanye's own closet is full of skeletons, so it was amusing they used him as the good guy.
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    This whole thing is more choreographed than Swan Lake.
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    I have to share this bullshit I've seen on the net. I can't believe there are people that still think like this and can only say that I'm glad I don't ever hear stuff like this IRL.....I know I live in an elitist liberal bubble, but still......


    How fucking dumb are people?

    Anyone see the special interview with Jenner last night? Opinions? One thing I will mention is that he never had an auto accident until he became a woman
    I think the media is trying to promote this lifestyle.



    Of course it is. That whole LGBT thing is a media invention. So is the "It Gets Better" project. And while the latter is admirable because it's aimed at depressed and confused teenagers, the former is funded by phony Hollywood Lefties who are half-gay themselves and can't deal with it.



    I am so bothered by Jenner. He was a hero to us kids. Now the guy is obviously friggin nutso.

    I believe the gender confusion starts at a very early age. What I noticed since I've been working around kids all my life is that at the AGE OF 3 is when these kids start to want and do things that are not necessarily acceptable behaviors. They are VERY EASILY INFLUENCED.

    They, meaning boys, start wanting to put on lipstick and play in the kitchen and with baby dolls. There is an interest there. Now they are just curious. It's UP TO THE ADULTS to steer them in the right direction. They also need to have MALE role models who show them how to act like men and/or females who do not allow them to be effeminate.

    I used to help out at a preschool. When this kid wanted to wear high heels and lipstick I gave him chap stick and bought him some costume fireman boots to wear. He did wear the heels a few times but I did not pay him any mind. I didn't give what he was doing ANY ATTENTION. Then he went back to wearing the boots. This is what adults need to do. Once a kid sees that he/she gets attention for doing these things they do them MORE OFTEN. Parents think it's cute behavior. Look how cute my Joey looks in lipstick and heels I'm gonna take his pic isn't it funny? NO it's not funny it's friggin stupid to do that. This is a very influential age and if you do not do something to stop it they will continue to think IT'S OK BEHAVIOR.


    I'm glad she no longer works at a preschool. I hope children don't figure into whatever it is she does now.


    Having views that lean to the left or right depending on the situation is EXACTLY how any truthful and right minded person should think PB. You wont find many politicians who would admit thinking that way, which is mainly why they cant be trusted.

    The acronym, LGBT is a clue in itself as to how this will play out. For some reason, the "tranny community" is becoming more vocal (in whatever pitch), probably wound up by others in that acronym getting their agenda on the table and it wont be long before crazy equality demands are made. I can see it now, 2 sex changed people having a kid...thatll be nice for the child eh.

    Unfortuantely, this type of person will never honestly be treated seriously by any right minded people, and its unfortunate for everyone.




    The problem is that they are imposing their beliefs on others. Kindergarteners are now being taught about LGBT and as they advance they are being taught LGBT sex acts. They go after Christian businesses and not only shut them down, but some threaten them with arson and death. In Oregon a Christian baker was not only forced to close her business, a judge recommended that she pay $135,000 -- an amount so high that she and her family will be forced to live in poverty. When supporters started a crowdfunding campaign on GoFundMe, GoFundMe shut it down. LGBT extremists have gone after several other Christian business owners, but as far as I know I have heard of a single case where a gay couple demanded that a Muslim bakery cater to them. LGBT activists have also tried to rewrite American history and put in school textbooks, like claiming that Abraham Lincoln was gay. There are plenty of other examples where they FORCE their beliefs on others.



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    ^I am so disappointed people think that way.

    Those comments regarding children "being influenced" to become a part of "the tranny community" reminded me if this The Atlantic article from several years ago. It's way long so edited the post to include only the first several paragraphs.

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    Since he could speak, Brandon, now 8, has insisted that he was meant to be a girl. This summer, his parents decided to let him grow up as one. His case, and a rising number of others like it, illuminates a heated scientific debate about the nature of gender—and raises troubling questions about whether the limits of child indulgence have stretched too far.



    HANNA ROSIN NOVEMBER 2008 ISSUE


    Brandon Simms at age 5 in a Disney princess costume
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    THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER recorded that Brandon Simms was the first millennium baby born in his tiny southern town, at 12:50 a.m. He weighed eight pounds, two ounces and, as his mother, Tina, later wrote to him in his baby book, “had a darlin’ little face that told me right away you were innocent.” Tina saved the white knit hat with the powder-blue ribbon that hospitals routinely give to new baby boys. But after that, the milestones took an unusual turn. As a toddler, Brandon would scour the house for something to drape over his head—a towel, a doily, a moons-and-stars bandanna he’d snatch from his mother’s drawer. “I figure he wanted something that felt like hair,” his mother later guessed. He spoke his first full sentence at a local Italian restaurant: “I like your high heels,” he told a woman in a fancy red dress. At home, he would rip off his clothes as soon as Tina put them on him, and instead try on something from her closet—a purple undershirt, lingerie, shoes. “He ruined all my heels in the sandbox,” she recalls.


    At the toy store, Brandon would head straight for the aisles with the Barbies or the pink and purple dollhouses. Tina wouldn’t buy them, instead steering him to neutral toys: puzzles or building blocks or cool neon markers. One weekend, when Brandon was 2˝, she took him to visit her 10-year-old cousin. When Brandon took to one of the many dolls in her huge collection—a blonde Barbie in a pink sparkly dress—Tina let him bring it home. He carried it everywhere, “even slept with it, like a teddy bear.”


    For his third Christmas, Tina bought Brandon a first-rate Army set—complete with a Kevlar hat, walkie-talkies, and a hand grenade. Both Tina and Brandon’s father had served in the Army, and she thought their son might identify with the toys. A photo from that day shows him wearing a towel around his head, a bandanna around his waist, and a glum expression. The Army set sits unopened at his feet. Tina recalls his joy, by contrast, on a day later that year. One afternoon, while Tina was on the phone, Brandon climbed out of the bathtub. When she found him, he was dancing in front of the mirror with his penis tucked between his legs. “Look, Mom, I’m a girl,” he told her. “Happy as can be,” she recalls.


    “Brandon, God made you a boy for a special reason,” she told him before they said prayers one night when he was 5, the first part of a speech she’d prepared. But he cut her off: “God made a mistake,” he said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickiDrea View Post
    I felt the EXACT same way when I saw the interview. I definitely thought he was being sarcastic. He did come off like a jerk during that portion of the interview.
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    He brings awareness to transgender, which is super but at the same time, he makes it into a circus, not exactly what transgender could use.
    I wonder what the views on Bruces transitioning is. I doubt he is a role model, the jerk he is.

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    I can't help but feel happy for Bruce and hopeful for the idea that this will bring about some resources and positive change in the way society views the transgendered community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    I have to share this bullshit I've seen on the net. I can't believe there are people that still think like this and can only say that I'm glad I don't ever hear stuff like this IRL.....I know I live in an elitist liberal bubble, but still......
    How fucking dumb are people?
    Well, no wonder it took him a lifetime to transition. I can't imagine how awful it must be to live 65 years with the wrong gender. (I also can't imagine how awful it must be to live 24 years being married to Kris, but that's a different matter.)

    These people saying you need to influence boys to become "real" men and not indulge them are clearly idiots. Bruce Jenner, more than anyone, was influenced to be a "real" man growing up in a macho sports enviroment, he was married three times and has several children. He really tried to live as a "real" man, and he still transitioned.
    The only thing you achieve by denying children to live in their true gender identity/sexuality is a lifetime of misery.

    I wonder, if the whole "I'm a straight man" means he's really bi and will live as a straight woman once he transitions fully. Or maybe he's just easing himself and his family into it. First transitioning and then coming out as lesbian.

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