Bridget Moynahan/Tom Brady baby name game

[nana55]

Originally Posted by PrettyGirl

If you're not married, you don't need to take anyone else's name. That's true. That's your choice. Even if you're married you can keep your maiden name, but that's an adult making the decision for herself. But what does your marital status have to do with your child's birthright? What does that have to do with his relationship with his father?

A woman's first connection to her baby is usually during pregnancy. She loves it immediately. A man's is usually at birth and the name. They share that now. A woman knows her child is hers because she carries it. For men, when a child carries his name, that's a strong connection too. Usually that proves to them it's theirs too.

In a nutshell, let's put it this way: I would wonder why I didn't have my father's name. Unless I was adopted or the man was missing in action and abandoned my mother, I'd want to know WHY my mom thought my father wasn't worthy enough, why she thought I shouldn't have my father's name. If this man wasn't good enough, then what does that say about me? (the offspring?). The message it sends out is negative. I think it does more harm to a child than good and I also think society looks at your child in a negative manner. When I was in school, the kids who didn't have their father's name were kids who never knew their dad because the guy was either unknown or their dad's were in prison and basically gone. That is so sad. The whole stigma attached to that is unfair to a child IMO.

Bridget Moynahan's baby doesn't have a loser father. His father is successful. His father makes a good living. His father is a record-breaking icon in the sports world. That baby deserves to have that connection to his dad. He was carried by his mother who obviously loves him, but he deserves to have that connection to his father too. The fact his mother isn't married is irrelevant. That's still his dad--a dad who was there and wants to be there. The kid deserves his history too...give it Moynahan-Brady or whatever, but don't take the kid's paternal name from him.

Are you nuts? All he did was stick his dick in. She's the one who was dumped while he went on to have another relationship. If he was so upstanding he would have gone back to Bridgett and married her. He didn't so she gets to name the baby. I think the fact that she gave him his first name is nicer than I would have been if my boyfriend left me pregnant. My married daughter and her husband decided to name their daughter a hyphenated name. When she starts school they will pick one. She also did not change her name when she got married, why should she. Time to realize that a bit of sperm does not a father make.

Originally Posted by Chilly Willy

Some people are so old fashioned. Of course my baby is going to have my last name. And if my last name differs from the father's name, so be it. He can have my name, too.

Why do I have to adapt my husbands name and not vice versa?

exactly. I agree

[roxygirl2007]

I think I would have done the same thing. I think the Giselle thing was a bit harsh IMO- Bridget was preggers and he was off screwing a super model. Ouch, that would hurt.

[crumpet]

Why do I have to adapt my husbands name and not vice versa?
Oh, come on now. Hundreds and hundreds of years of female submission (umm, excuse me, tradition) surely can't be wrong. Let's not go getting all crazy with the idea that we don't have to follow the life script to the letter. Why, we could knock the earth right off of its axis if we keep thinking like that! See, woman takes man's name when they marry because they are supposed to be 'becoming as one'. Naturally, that means that they are both becoming the man, right? That's how gawd intended it: in the marquee of life, man gets top billing and woman takes the supporting role. No need to put her name in the credits. Hell, just go ahead and become Mrs. Tom Smith while you're at it. You're owned now so no need to bother with silly things like identity.

Off soapbox.

[Chilly Willy]

^^ LOL, crumpet!

And I agree with what you said, nana. The hell I would have named my baby after the jerk who left me while I was pregnant! Geez.

Pretty Girl, since your explanation usually is that women get left by their men, because they don't give them babies (JA), what's your explanation now?

[gas_chick]

I was under the impression that they broke up and then she found out she was pregnant and I may sound a bit like a man here but you can date someone for three years and manage to not get pregnant but when it became apparent you were about to break up either the condom broke or your pills stopped working. I think she tried to trap him/was afraid she was running out of time to have a baby and it didn't work. He is at least taking responsibility for this child. That having been said I wouldn't care if she named it Audio Science Moynahan. She is allowed to choose the last name and if they weren't famous no one would bat an eye but since they are it does seem vindictive.

[texlux]

Originally Posted by crumpet

Why do I have to adapt my husbands name and not vice versa?
Oh, come on now. Hundreds and hundreds of years of female submission (umm, excuse me, tradition) surely can't be wrong. Let's not go getting all crazy with the idea that we don't have to follow the life script to the letter. Why, we could knock the earth right off of its axis if we keep thinking like that! See, woman takes man's name when they marry because they are supposed to be 'becoming as one'. Naturally, that means that they are both becoming the man, right? That's how gawd intended it: in the marquee of life, man gets top billing and woman takes the supporting role. No need to put her name in the credits. Hell, just go ahead and become Mrs. Tom Smith while you're at it. You're owned now so no need to bother with silly things like identity.

Off soapbox.

[AliceInWonderland]

Originally Posted by DeadDwarf

FYI: I just had my daughter on Saturday and when I filled out her birth certificate I was allowed to put whatever name I wanted. I could have made up a last name and it would have been her legal name.

OMG CONGRATS DEADDWARF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I BEEN WAITING FOR HER FOR SOOOOOOOO LONG!!!

Congrats to you and your family and I hope your car accident crap gets cleared up well too!

P.S. me and my mom have always used her last name (even though my parents are very happily married) my dads last name is just too hard for most americans to spell, pronounce, read so why bother so yeah; i'm known by two different last names and it ain't no thang to me! Its a fuckin' hassle changing your last name legally too; my sister just did it when she got marriend and it sucks!

[Chilly Willy]

Congrats, Dead Dwarf!!!!!!!!!!!!! I remember when you told us that you have just found out about being pregnant. Time Flies!!!!!!!

[AliceInWonderland]

^ I know doesn't it! It makes me think that maybe I could do the whole pregnancy thingy afterall but I dont know, I'm really scared...How was the delivery DD?!

[Mel1973]

My son has my last name = my father's last name and the rest of MY family's last name. My son doesn't feel deprived of his "birthright" either. He has a great relationship with his father. Sometimes (at church or at school), people may call my son's dad Mr. 1973 or whatever - his dad doesn't like that - and sometimes people refer to my son by the wrong (his father's) last name and my son tells them "no, my name is .... 1973". We've talked about the last name question and it made/makes more sense for me and MY son to have the same last name.

I did the majority of the work, I made the decision (with input from the father) that worked best for me and my son. It is about "dick", birthrights and "carrying on the family name" - guess what, my family is part of that child too.

DeadDwarf - congrats, that's a beautiful daughter you have there!!!

[PrettyGirl]

Female submission? Stick his dick in? Wow. What mentalities.

No wonder society is going to hell. No one wants to believe in anything....there's always an excuse for everyone doing whatever they want.

No man is ENTITLED to have his child have his name but 99% of people give their children their father's name. If women are so anti-men and hate tradition or whatever you call it, then why are so many so desperate to find a man? Why even marry? Why even have relationships? In fact, why even have men around since it seems people here think they're worthless and they aren't entitled to shit. Women nowadays are no better than men. They want equality, well they sure got it.

It's really scary here what our sons are looking at the next few generations....our daughters are going to be basically alone because that's how views of women nowadays are shaping society. Men are basically not worth a crap from what I see here because so many women are angry, bitter and think that just because they work, they don't owe men shit. Is it no wonder the sexes don't get along? Very sad indeed. We group people together when each individual person should be appreciated and respected (man or woman).

Tom Brady has a child. He didn't rape this woman. She opened her legs because she wanted to. He was there. He's taken responsibility. Now women want marriage and yet, when they get it, they complain about that too. There's no pleasing some ladies.

Whatever! lol! haha.

[Chilly Willy]

Originally Posted by PrettyGirl

No wonder society is going to hell. No one wants to believe in anything....there's always an excuse for everyone doing whatever they want.

This is not the first time I'm under the impression that you view female emancipation as the root of all evil.

Originally Posted by PrettyGirl

Men are basically not worth a crap from what I see here because so many women are angry, bitter and think that just because they work, they don't owe men shit.

What exactly is it that we "owe" men?

Originally Posted by PrettyGirl

Is it no wonder the sexes don't get along? Very sad indeed.

Just because we don't want to be submissive doesn't mean that we hate men. Quiet the opposite. It's important to me to be emancipated, because it's the only way to enjoy men.

I have a harmonic longterm relationship, many guy friends, a loving relationship with my brother. That's only possible because we're at eye level.

Nothing sad about that.

Originally Posted by PrettyGirl

It's really scary here what our sons are looking at the next few generations....

You mean washing dishes? They'll live! Trust me.

Thank God you don't have a daughter!

[AliceInWonderland]

seriously PG; who cares what a kids last name is; thats so arbitrary and archaic. its not even tradition anymore; i think its almost out-of-date like debutante ball type shit. plus you give a kid your last name if you're married to its mom imo, but i dont know, i just dont think its something to have such a strong opinion of.

on yet another personal note i dont have a middle name either! FOR SHAME!!!!

[crumpet]

The italics will indicate my comments:[quote=PrettyGirl;794602]Female submission? That was a tongue in cheek reference. However, since we are on the subject, are you aware of how the woman takes man's name actually came to be the tradition?

No wonder society is going to hell. No one wants to believe in anything....there's always an excuse for everyone doing whatever they want. I fail to see how not automatically and without questioning giving a child the name of his father is inherently beneficial to society. I believe in lots of things but I try to limit my concentration to things that actually matter. If it's your kid, it's your kid. Please explain to me why a man's lineage should carry more weight and be more valued than that of a woman. And what's wrong with people living in a free society doing whatever they want as long as they are productive members of society and harm no one else? Why is it so threatening to some folks that others may not drink the Kool Aid and actually decide for themselves what kind of life is best? I guess what baffles me the most isn't when people choose to follow tradition per se, but when they never, ever even stop to consider that there might be other ways of doing things besides what they've been taught. Different doesn't equal inferior or bad,imo. But, I digress. To a large extent the continuation of our species as we know it does depend on most sheeple being cogs in the wheel, just doing what they are 'supposed' to without giving to much thought to why. Thinking is tough!

No man is ENTITLED to have his child have his name but 99% of people give their children their father's name.See my last statement above about cogs in a wheel. If women are so anti-men and hate tradition or whatever you call it, then why are so many so desperate to find a man? Why is questioning tradition equate to hating men? Are those the only choices we have....either let men run the show or else you hate them? Huh?Why even marry? Well, I know why I got married but I really could not care less what anyone else does. Why even have relationships?Because I am straight and if it weren't for men I wouldn't have anybody left to fuck. In fact, why even have men around since it seems people here think they're worthless and they aren't entitled to shit. Well, somebody has to cut the grass and kill the bugs and fight off the home intruders. Women nowadays are no better than men. They want equality, well they sure got it. For what it's worth, I am not attracted to feminine males. I am not gay, therefore the feminine is not sexually appealing to me. I like men to be men, I just don't see how my name has anything to do with their masculinity.

It's really scary here what our sons are looking at the next few generations....our daughters are going to be basically alone because that's how views of women nowadays are shaping society. Men are basically not worth a crap from what I see here because so many women are angry, bitter and think that just because they work, they don't owe men shit. Well, I owe my man fidelity and devotion with concern for his well-being.That's about it though. I make plenty of my own money and he actually likes that his value comes from more than just being a checkbook in pants. Is it no wonder the sexes don't get along? Says who? We've been together 11 years and still going strong. I've got lots of male friends and have no reason to not see men as individuals, most of whom are decent like everybody else. Very sad indeed. Not for me, my life is pretty great all around.We group people together when each individual person should be appreciated and respected (man or woman). So what's your beef then about women having equal chance to pass their name on to their offspring?

[sluce]

PG - I am often shocked and saddened by your archaeic notions of how men and women should behave in relationships, marriage and parenting. It's as if men can do no wrong. I hope you someday wake up and live in the real world. You'll find many, many women who are successful in business, in love, in marriage and in parenting. They do it without being submissive and allowing their fathers and then husbands to rule their lives.

The changes over the last 40 years have been wonderful for women and men. A recent study showed that the generation of men getting married today have grown up in families with working mothers and have seen that it takes two people treating each other as equals to make it work. They are entering their marriages realizing that their wife may continue to work outside the home after they have kids and even that they have the choice to be the one to stay at home if they so choose. They go in knowing they must share the parenting roles and household chores. They view marriage as a partnership. Many come from divorced parents and are trying to make their marriages stronger so they won't get divorced. Real men do not feel the need for their partners to be less of a person so they can feel better about themselves. I'm sure there are still enough cavemen out there who want the little lady at home barefoot, pregnant and making them dinner. Women who actually want that should have their choice of them since most women don't want them.

Women have also benefitted because they now know they can make it on their own if they need to. They are leaving marriages where they are abused more often. They are making decisions to not raise their children in an environment where they will see their mothers abused, neglected or treated as second class citizens. Far too many still stay but hopefully the trend will continue to rise and women will begin to love themselves enough to leave these situations. Women are keeping their maiden names or hyphenating more than ever as a way to honor their own family. I say we owe a huge debt and gratitude to the women who went before us and struggled to pave the way so we could have these choices!