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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilmourgirl View Post
    I only hear about her "charity work" when cameras are there.

    The press isn't privy to everything and she's been visiting orphanages, donating money etc long before she adopted Maddox.

    Unlike some she just doesn't go to high profile 'charity' events just to be seen and take advantage of a tax write off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snoopqueen View Post
    The press isn't privy to everything and she's been visiting orphanages, donating money etc long before she adopted Maddox.

    Unlike some she just doesn't go to high profile 'charity' events just to be seen and take advantage of a tax write off.
    Yeah, she started working for the UN way before in... Erm.... 2001....

    And she adopted Maddox after all adoptions from Cambodia had been stopped due to child laundering.

    Imo if she had such great charity advisors (which she did), she would have been more aware of the issues that closed the country to forgien adoptions in Dec 2001, while her son was adopted in March 2002.
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    She followed all the rules in adopting her kids.
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    And yet, so many of the others handled by that agency were not.....

    Eta- did that previously say that her adoptions were legal? I seem to have been commenting on something entirely different.

    Complying with the rules & the adoptions being legal ate two different things (as you may agree). I deal with compliance to legislation and when risk is being considered, it is viewed that someone who has done due diligence but been screwed by the other party should not have to "suffer" unduly (financial, etc) and we will try to help them.
    In a theoretical situation like this a newsworthy name has invested time & money in providing a great environment (both in Cambodia & In USA) & new home; application completed by the end date, child already settled &in new home.....
    VS child already settled in new home & bonded with the adoption, maybe feeding the seagulls etc
    S adoption agent guilty of visa fraud
    Fri, 19 December 2003
    Bill Bainbridge
    One US adoption agent has pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit visa fraud and conspiracy
    to launder money in relation to adoptions arranged in Cambodia and another is facing
    similar charges.
    Lynn Devin, who runs Seattle International Adoptions, entered a plea agreement with
    prosecutors on December 10. Her sister, high profile adoption facilitator Lauryn
    Galindo, has been indicted by a grand jury. A warrant for her arrest was issued on
    November 7.
    Devin can be required to relinquish any properties derived from committing the offense
    plus a sum of more than $100,000. She is due to be sentenced on March 12 next year.
    Galindo has been arranging adoptions in Cambodia for more than a decade. She is close
    to a range of senior Cambodian government figures and is best known internationally
    for facilitating an adoption by Hollywood star Angelina Jolie.
    Devin's charges related to ten cases during a period beginning in January 1997 and
    ending when the US suspended adoptions from Cambodia in December 2001.
    Galindo has been indicted for half-a-dozen overlapping cases.
    According to the district court documents Galindo and Devin faked documents to falsely
    pass off the adopted children as orphans and created fictitious identities for the
    This was done, the documents state, "in order to expedite the adoption process
    for Cambodian children to United States families and to enhance their profits".
    The documents outline the pair's actions in the cases aimed at securing "immediate
    relative visas" for the adopted children.
    The charges include several cases where the identities of children were switched
    after a child became unavailable because of illness or death. In these circumstances,
    the prospective parent would be told to retain documentation of the sick or dead
    child and use it to adopt a different child.
    They also include a case which arguably constitutes "baby-buying".
    In one of the cases listed, an "unindicted co-conspirator" encouraged a
    birth mother to relinquish her four-year-old daughter for adoption around January
    Lynn Devin then informed an adoptive parent in the US that the child was an orphan.
    This was despite the fact that Lauryn Galindo had acknowledged that the girl's mother
    was alive in an annotation to her medical record.
    The adoptive parents were then required to make a series of payments to the agency
    totaling $7,000.
    In May of that year the parents were taken to an orphanage in Kampong Speu where
    the child was delivered to the new parents by the biological mother. Galindo then
    allegedly told the adoptive parents to give the woman $100, the indictment says.
    The parents were then directed to "donate" $3,500 to the orphanage. When
    they queried the orphan status of the child Devin told them it "would be best"
    to go ahead with the adoption. Galindo is then alleged to have completed visa paperwork
    in which she claimed the child was an orphan and its parents unknown.
    Another case, a parent was given a five-month-old boy at the Sihanoukville orphanage
    in December 1997. When the parent decided not to go ahead with the adoption Galindo
    convinced the parent to complete the paperwork to adopt the child.
    Galindo then took the child to Honolulu International Airport where she delivered
    him to a different adoptive parent who had paid close to $10,000 in fees.
    The money laundering charges relate to the transfer of money outside of the US with
    intent to carry out unlawful activity. Seattle International Adoptions charged around
    $10,500 for its services.
    Galindo referred questions to a public relations firm which had not answered questions
    by press time.
    But she emailed former clients to protest her innocence and claim that she had not
    been served with an indictment.
    "I am dismayed that Lynn would plead 'guilty' when there was no crime committed,"
    she wrote before she appealed for emails of support from former clients.
    Most of the cases involve the Women's and Vocational Orphans Association (WOVA),
    an orphanage that has been linked to child trafficking allegations in the past.
    But WOVA Director Chhim Naly declined to elaborate on the circumstances of the case.
    "I am sick, I have heart disease, let me stay in the quiet. I have stopped working
    for one year. Few of my children remain and they are hungry. Sorry, sorry,"
    was all she would say.
    Cambodian authorities were unable to say if she would face investigation here.
    However human rights NGO Licadho said Cambodian authorities should act.
    "Licadho urges the Cambodian authorities to investigate [Kampong Speu and WOVA]
    orphanages, and others which have been the subject of allegations in recent years,
    to determine whether crimes have been committed under Cambodian law," said Naly
    Pilorge, director of the NGO.
    "We are very happy with the prosecutions in the US but we also feel that it's
    time for the Cambodian authorities to prosecute Cambodians engaged in the trafficking
    of children for the purpose of adoptions."
    While charges have been laid in several cases none have gone to trial.
    Three staff at an orphanage run by a former driver for Galindo were charged with
    human trafficking in December 2001 after two women reclaimed babies that were apparently
    bound for the US.
    However the case was dropped so quietly that not even the lawyer for the birth mothers
    knew about it until some five months later.
    The adoption industry has been alleged to fuel bribery, child trafficking and other
    unscrupulous practices in Cambodia for more than a decade.
    In May 1999 Foreign Minister Hor Namhong asked Prime Minister Hun Sen to investigate
    bribery allegations against Galindo and described her activities as "like selling
    The letter requested an investigation of claims that Galindo paid $5,500 in bribes
    to the Ministries of Social Affairs, Foreign Affairs and the Council of Ministers.
    However Senate President Chea Sim enlisted the help of the co-interior ministers
    Sar Kheng and You Hokry to request that adoptions by Galindo be approved.
    Galindo has described Cambodian People's Party powerbroker Sim as "like a father
    to me" and says that she is friends with Sar Kheng and the prime minister's
    wife Bun Rany.
    In 2002 she was awarded a special medal for national reconstruction by the Cambodian
    Galindo, a former professional hula dancer, keeps a luxury home in Hawaii and a riverfront
    apartment in Phnom Penh. Last year she told the Cambodia Daily that she had donated
    $600,000 to children's causes.
    She has been one of the biggest players in Cambodian adoptions for more than a decade.
    When the US government suspended adoptions from Cambodia, Galindo had 114 families
    in the adoption pipeline.
    Cambodia became heavily targeted by adoption agencies for its cheap and fast adoption
    process but it remained a minor source of orphans with around 90 per-month going
    to the US in mid-2001.
    The number of Americans adopting overseas increased from 6,472 in 1992 to 18,541
    in 2000. Programs to feed that demand have sprung up everywhere from Guatemala to
    Russia, China and Romania and most programs have attracted allegations of baby-buying
    or other forms of corruption.
    However the prosecution of Lynn Devin is the first of its kind. Pilorge welcomed
    the actions of US authorities and said that such prosecutions in countries that receive
    orphans were vital to deter abuse of the adoption system.
    "This sends an important message to adoption facilitators and agencies that
    they will be held responsible for any illegal acts they commit," she said.
    New legislation on foreign adoptions was written by UNICEF three years ago but is
    yet to become law. The law would relegate international adoptions to a last resort
    A situation report issued by the Dutch embassy in Bangkok last May concluded that
    various government officials had stymied efforts to introduce alternatives to international
    Mao Sovadei, director of the child welfare department at MoSALVY, the social affairs
    ministry, could give no indication of when the legislation would pass. Nor did he
    acknowledge any responsibility for his ministry in allowing trafficked infants to
    be passed off as orphans.
    "I don't know yet who should be held accountable for this issue," he said.
    A spokesperson for the US embassy said that only around 20 adoptions for those families
    that filed paperwork prior to the December 2001 cut-off date were left to be processed.
    After that "no further adoptions will be processed for American families until
    such time as the US Government is convinced that a transparent system is put into
    place ensure that only children who are genuine orphans are being put up
    for adoption and that practices such as baby stealing and selling are prevented,"
    the spokesperson said.
    But anyway, wgaf? She opened her heart & home to children that (appeared to) needed it....

    Returning to LA.

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    ^ I don't understand the argument above. She did something wrong or she did something right?

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    Angelina and BBT, and many other US Citizens, had applied to adopt prior to the shut down in Dec 2011. The US agreed to work with all who had adoptions pending. There were about 1,000 adoptions pending at that time. If there had not been a shut down, she would have completed the adoption by the end of Dec, or early Jan 2002, and a passport for Maddox would have been issued from the US. Instead she had to leave the country without him and it was not finalized until March 2002.

    Cambodia plans to launch Intercountry adoptions again this year and promises to adhere to the Hague Adoption Convention requirements. The US is still undecided as to whether or not they will allow citizens to adopt there though.

    Intercountry adoptions are rife with fraud and payouts. I know many couples who adopted from China, who were "encouraged" to bring cash ($10k+) when they went to China to pick up their child, as it is appropriate to make a donation to the orphanage that is of course not included in the fee for adoption that they are required to disclose for finalization.
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