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    Hailey Baldwin ‘heartbroken’ over uncle Alec Baldwin’s shooting incident

    Hailey Baldwin is “heartbroken” after the death of Halyna Hutchins due to her uncle, Alec Baldwin, accidentally firing a loaded prop gun while filming a movie in New Mexico on Thursday.
    “Sending all my love to the family of Halyna Hutchins. This is a truly unimaginable and devastating tragedy,” Stephen Baldwin’s daughter, 24, wrote on her Instagram storySaturday


    “My thoughts are also with Joel Souza as he recovers,” the model added. “I am absolutely heartbroken for everyone involved.”
    The tragic incident occurred when Baldwin, 63, was handed a “prop gun” while filming “Rust.” The gun accidentally discharged killing the movie’s cinematographer, Halyna Hutchins, and injuring the director, Joel Souza.
    Hutchins was airlifted to the University of New Mexico Hospital in Albuquerque where she later succumbed to her injures. Souza was also rushed to the hospital and treated for his injuries before being released the next day


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    Yeah, I feel bad for everyone involved, but wouldn't you check the chamber of a real gun before shooting?

    The other thing is, they put a man on the moon over a half century ago- nobody can figure out how to make fake guns for movie sets?

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    I don't know, if I'm not a gun expert and someone who is specifically trained and in charge of weapons on set tells me that the gun is safe, I'd probably believe them. It sounds like there were a lot of corners cut and it was an unsafe working environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lindsaywhit View Post
    Yeah, I feel bad for everyone involved, but wouldn't you check the chamber of a real gun before shooting?

    The other thing is, they put a man on the moon over a half century ago- nobody can figure out how to make fake guns for movie sets?

    I think that you're running with the assumption that any actor or actress would know how to do that. It seems like there are firearm prop specialists whose responsibility that is and I would assume as the paid actor you're assuming that person did their job correctly.

    But I already said it and I'm with you, idk why they can't figure out how to create something that recreates the recoil, creates a flashbang, creates the noise etc. without there being any kind of ammunition in the prop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by o0Amber0o View Post
    I think that you're running with the assumption that any actor or actress would know how to do that. It seems like there are firearm prop specialists whose responsibility that is and I would assume as the paid actor you're assuming that person did their job correctly.

    But I already said it and I'm with you, idk why they can't figure out how to create something that recreates the recoil, creates a flashbang, creates the noise etc. without there being any kind of ammunition in the prop.
    Has no one in the movie business heard of CGI? Why are real guns on site in today's world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by o0Amber0o View Post
    idk why they can't figure out how to create something that recreates the recoil, creates a flashbang, creates the noise etc. without there being any kind of ammunition in the prop.
    They have. There are pros and cons to the various gun options. This prop master explains:




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    They still film scenes where people are getting shot by a gun fired from far away all the time, that's not realistic either. As a non american person, I've never even seen a real gun, I don't mind about using a fake one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lofty Bike View Post
    They still film scenes where people are getting shot by a gun fired from far away all the time, that's not realistic either. As a non american person, I've never even seen a real gun, I don't mind about using a fake one.
    As an American person, I've never seen a real gun either. Not all of us are gun crazed.

    ...take that back... not true... I've seen a gun on a holster of police officer. Never seen it out though. Even seeing one in a holster makes my stomach turn. They scare the bejeesus out of me.
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    Yeah guns where everywhere when I was a kid. We had a shot gun by the back door. Riflery was one of the activities when I was a kid in girl scouts, camping. We have even had a practice area on my mom's land at one point. (Mom goes to a range now though...lawd, don't even get me started on this). Hunting is also a big thing here.

    The problem is, guns are still everywhere now. But people don't get anywhere near the education and instruction needed if they're going to have guns around, much less use them. There are people who own them who don't even hunt. There are basic things we as kid were taught about guns that people today (especially younger) who are around and exposed to guns never hear. They just know what they see in films. A good deal of people who own and use them today have no business with them. That's why I'm all for tighter control and regulations.

    That said, I don't have a gun in this house. Not since Ex MrD left. I know people (mostly people not living where I do) who gasp at just the idea that we had one in the house at all. They don't understand people living here have whole damn arsenals. So a single firearm is kind of small potatoes. I have had my hands on a gun plenty. But not regularly enough or recently enough that I feel comfortable enough with one in the house.

    After this I can see them doing away with real guns in filming. Which they obviously should given the number of times this has happened. And the fact that they can replicate this adequately enough without the use of real ones.

    I think if you grow up around them it can cause you to become desensitized to them and the inherent danger. I don't miss having them around.
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    Direct testimony from the Director who was injured:

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/202...-director-says

    Alec Baldwin was pointing gun at camera when it went off, director says


    Joel Souza says actor was practising a scene at time of accidental shooting of Halyna Hutchin


    Alec Baldwin was practising a scene that involved him pointing a gun “towards the camera lens” when it accidentally went off, killing his director of photography, according to a written statement by the film’s director.
    The director, Joel Souza, said he heard what “sounded like a whip and then a loud pop”. He said he saw the cinematographer Halyna Hutchins clutch her midriff and stumble backwards. Souza noticed that he himself was bleeding from the right shoulder.
    The cameras were not rolling at the time. Baldwin was sitting on a wooden church pew on the set and trying out a scene in which he would “cross-draw” a revolver from its holster. Hutchins and Souza were checking the camera angle.
    Moments before the accident, Baldwin was assured he was handling a “cold gun”, Souza told investigators. The film’s armourer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, checked prop weapons, and the assistant director, Dave Halls, rechecked them and handed them to the actors, Souza said. It was Halls who gave Baldwin the gun, police said.
    Affidavits released on Sunday night paint a picture of a dysfunctional and feuding set, where five crew members walked out last Thursday just hours before the fatal shooting at Bonanza Creek Ranch in New Mexico. They were unhappy with pay and conditions.
    Halls was the subject of an internal complaint on a previous movie, it emerged over the weekend. Maggie Goll, a prop maker and licensed pyrotechnician, said she raised concerns about Hall’s conduct on set with the executive producers of Hulu’s Into the Dark TV series in 2019. He has yet to comment.

    “This situation is not about Dave Halls … It’s in no way one person’s fault,” Goll said, adding that there were larger issues about the wellbeing of crew that had to be addressed. “It’s a bigger conversation about safety on set and what we are trying to achieve with that culture,” she added.
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    The armorer did not check the weapons if there was a real round in there, and she left them on an unlocked cart. From what I've heard from other prop masters/armorers commenting on this, the armorer is supposed to show the assistant director that the gun is safe and appropriate and then give the gun to the actor. The assistant director is not supposed to grab weapons. Various people are also saying that on this set, extras were allowed to use the guns for target practice between takes. A major no-no.

    s, and Don Trump Jr is selling t-shirts that say "Guns don't kill people; Alec Baldwin does" because he's a piece of shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twitchy2.0 View Post

    s, and Don Trump Jr is selling t-shirts that say "Guns don't kill people; Alec Baldwin does" because he's a piece of shit.
    Lowlife criminal scumbag family. Why are they still not incarcerated?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConstanceSpry View Post
    Lowlife criminal scumbag family. Why are they still not incarcerated?
    You can hate Alec Baldwin all you want, but this is a tragic situation for him. To make fun of him for this is just horrible. The Trumps are such ugly humans. They are a curse on humanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tulip View Post
    You can hate Alec Baldwin all you want, but this is a tragic situation for him. To make fun of him for this is just horrible. The Trumps are such ugly humans. They are a curse on humanity.


    Donald Trump, Jr. is truly a scumbag. He'd be selling poor quality used cars if he hadn't been born into a wealthy family.
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