Madonna and Guy Ritchie fighting over access to kids at Christmas

[buttmunch]

Madonna and Guy Ritchie are at war over who will have their sons for Christmas.

The pair are arguing over whether Rocco, eight, and their adopted son David, two, should be with their mother in New York, or their father at his Wiltshire estate.

Film director Ritchie would like a traditional family Christmas with relatives at his Ashcombe House estate, a roast turkey and presents round the tree.

By contrast, a day at the 50-year-old singer’s home would involve four hours of her Kabbalah religion, with steamed fish and macrobiotic vegetables for lunch.

The first stage of the couple’s divorce was finalised recently, at the High Court in London.

A month before, the couple had announced their split after eight years of marriage.

This week, their staff have been in email combat to ascertain where the boys will spend Christmas. But the two sides are further than ever from a resolution.

Both parents are said to be showering the children with more elaborate gifts despite
pledges that they would not spoil them on their first Christmas apart.

A source close to the couple said: ‘Both Madonna and Guy want David and Rocco on
Christmas Day.

‘Under the terms of the divorce, it is actually up to Guy and Madonna to sort out the access. It’s not set in stone who has the boys on which days. The arrangement is that Guy has the boys for a set number of days in the year. It’s a 50/50 agreement but there is a provision that their main residence should be New York.


‘The agreement is that Guy gets them four or five days a month in London, but that he
can see them in New York, making the time anything up to two weeks a month.’

However, the fluid access arrangement appears to be causing problems. ‘Guy wants a traditional Christmas with his parents and the boys at Ashcombe but Madonna has just put her foot down and refused to allow it. She is just digging her heels in saying she want them with her in America.

‘They are at a total stalemate. Madonna and Guy simply do not liaise at all on anything anymore – it all goes through their PAs.’


The singer is said to have demanded that Ritchie should not buy the boys too many presents for Christmas in line with her Kabbalah beliefs.

‘But meanwhile, Madonna has already dispatched one of her London-based PAs to go to Hamleys to bag the biggest must-have toys in the shop for the two boys.

‘And of course, Guy has also reacted to Madonna’s words like a red rag to a bull. There will be no expense spared.’

Details of the divorce settlement will remain private. But the Mail recently revealed that
Ritchie, 40, would get a lump sum of just £2million of Madonna’s £300million fortune.
She also has a daughter, Lourdes, 12.

Madonna, 50, is still being represented by Fiona Shackleton, the divorce lawyer who handled both Sir Paul McCartney's and Prince Charles' divorce, while Ritchie has hired Helen Ward, who secured the biggest divorce payout ever awarded by a British court.

Madonna is understood to be keen to move back to New York where her alleged new boyfriend Alex Rodriguez, known as A-Rod, plays for the New York Yankees.Madonna's festive feud: Battle over who has the children for Christmas | Mail Online

Here's a thought: act like grownups, make sure you're in the same country and share them.

[Jexxifer]

I wouldn't have thought that Kabbalahists (sp?) celebrated Christmas?

[january]

Holy shit, is there any doubt which house the kids want to go? Why not let them decide? Or are they too scared of their robot mama to say no to her?

[Kittylady]

Given a choice between four hours of kabbalah and steamed veg or a full roast dinner I'd pick the roast dinner every time, and I don't even like 'em!

[buttmunch]

Vadge is a moron.

[Kittylady]

^^^ ITA

Does Kabbalah even allow for Christmas?

[buttmunch]

Well, the real version is based on the mystical part of Judaism so maybe not, but then Vadge doesn't follow anyone's rules. And wait a sec, wasn't she banning the family from celebrating Christmas just last year?

Edit: yup, they've never celebrated Christmas due to her Kabbalah crap. Now Guy wants to introduce them to it but Vadge, it would appear, is intent on being the biggest, most controlling bitch on the planet and even though she doesn't celebrate, doesn't want him to. I mean, sure, this is her religion/cult/whatever and she wants to raise her kids in it but on the other hand it's not like she was raised this way herself. Were her Childhood Christmases reallly that crap?

[Honey]

Steamed fish and veg

I hope Guy gets them

[Kathie_Moffett]

She is SUCH a joyless, controlling megabitch. I always knew she'd age badly; would anything else even make sense for an uptight, damaged, angry narcissist like Madonna?

It's easier to hide your crazy shit when you're young and passably cute and charismatic. Once middle age hits, all bets are off. Her unpleasant nature is written all over her face and body, no matter how much PS she purchases.

I'm especially sad for her daughter...remember the story of Lourdes crying because she misses Guy and Vadge didn't even want to let her see him? You just know that was true. We've all heard stories of mothers from hell like this. Joan Crawford is the poster girl for the breed, but Madonna's gonna catch up pretty quickly imo.

[buttmunch]

It's easier to hide your crazy shit when you're young and passably cute and charismatic. Once middle age hits, all bets are off. Her unpleasant nature is written all over her face and body, no matter how much PS she purchases.

There is a lot of truth in that old saying that you have the face you're born with the first half of your life and you get the face you deserve the second half.

[penname]

I think most courts would make them alternate Christmasses, so even if they're doomed to a joyless Madgefest this year, it'll be Guy+Fun next year. And once they're old enough to choose for themselves, hmm - wonder which way they'll go....

[NicoleWasHere]

Kabbalistic Holidays

Holiday of Succoth
Holiday of Hanukah
Holiday of Purim
Holiday of Pesach
Holiday of Lag Ba'omer
Holiday of Shavuot

Kabbalah World Center - "Kabbalistic Holidays"

Notice how none of those are Christmas. I'm calling bullshit.

[buttmunch]

I think she probably wants to have them so that he'll have a miserable Christmas. It's a spiteful move and fully worthy of the crazed Vadge.

[NicoleWasHere]

^ The kids would be equally miserable, too. For one, they'd be with Mad Vadge, and two, if she doesn't celebrate Christmas, it's not like they'd do anything. :/

[aabbcc]

Let them go to Guy's ... they'll be with family and actually have a good time. Kids should have fun at Christmas. Vadge can shorten the leashes and shove vegetables into them the rest of the year.