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    Carly Simon confirms Warren Beatty inspired part of 'You're So Vain' song | Daily Mail Online

    You're so vain, Warren Beatty! Carly Simon finally confirms her ex inspired part of her 1972 hit... but remains silent on the other two men

    • Speculation has raged for 44 years over who the lyrics referred to
    • Simon has had a long list of famous lovers, including Mick Jagger, Jack Nicholson, Cat Stevens, Kris Kristofferson, and husband James Taylor
    • She has revealed hints through the decades, insisting the song is actually about three different people
    • Ahead of memoir release she confirmed the second verse is indeed about Beatty - who himself believed the the whole song was about him

    By Ross Mcdonagh For Dailymail.com
    Published: 09:20 EST, 18 November 2015 | Updated: 19:40 EST, 18 November 2015

    Carly Simon has finally confirmed that ex-boyfriend Warren Beatty is one of the people she slams in her most famous song.

    Ever since its release in November 1972, fans still speculate who You're So Vain was written about.

    And on Wednesday, exactly 44 years later, the 70-year-old told People Magazine that those who had guessed the 78-year-old actor were correct.


    He's so vain! Carly Simon finally confirmed Warren Beatty is one of the subjects of her famous song on Wednesday (pictured July 1984)

    'I have confirmed that the second verse is Warren,' she revealed.

    When asked if he knew, she of course replied: 'Warren thinks the whole thing is about him!'

    The singer said the No. 1 hit is about three men - including Beatty - though she isn't naming the others.

    She said she doesn't think she'll ever reveal who verses one and three refer to, or 'at least until they know it's about them.'


    Finally! On Wednesday, exactly 44 years after its release, the 70-year-old told People Magazine that the second verse was about the 78-year-old actor


    One down: Beatty (pictured last year with wife Annette Bening) is just one of Simon's ex-lovers who had been guessed to be the inspiration. She confirmed the long-held belief that there are two others, who remain unknown

    THE WARREN BEATTY VERSE

    You had me several years ago when I was still quite naive
    Well you said that we made such a pretty pair
    And that you would never leave
    But you gave away the things you loved and one of them was me
    I had some dreams, they were clouds in my coffee
    Clouds in my coffee, and...
    The interview was accompanied by excerpts from her upcoming memoir Boys in the Trees, which is set for release later this month.

    In it, she claims she 'adored' Beatty, who even tried do dissuade her from marrying her first husband James Taylor.

    'I adored him,' she said. 'He tried to get me not to marry James. He said "He's a drug addict".'

    Simon was married to Taylor from 1972 to 1983, but also had romantic involvement with the likes of Mick Jagger, Kris Kristofferson, Jack Nicholson and Cat Stevens - all of whom have been speculative guesses as the subject of the song.


    First love: Simon was married to fellow musician Taylor from 1972 to 1983

    Throughout the years, Simon has revealed clues in dribs and drabs, revealing at different times the name or names contained the letters A and E, but has always maintained it was about more than one person.

    For a 2003 charity auction she agreed to tell the highest bidder who the diss track was aimed at, under the condition they not tell anyone else. NBCSports president Dick Ebersol paid $50,000 for the honour, and was permitted to release another clue: the letter R.

    In 2010 she revealed she had hidden the name, whispered backwards, in a re-recording of the song, which many heard as 'David'.


    In her new memoir Boys In Trees, she claims she 'adored' Beatty (pictured on the 1967 set of Bonnie And Clyde) who even tried do dissuade her from marrying first husband Taylor

    It was subsequently reported that the song was actually not about a lover at all, but rather openly gay record producer David Geffen, because he was supposedly giving preferential treatment to her label-mate Joni Mitchell.

    Simon's publicist denied this, but her website has also denied the song was about Beatty in the past too.

    She went on to marry poet James Hart in 1987 and divorced 20 years later - 'he turned out to be gay' she says in the book.

    She is currently in a nine year relationship with 59-year-old surgeon Richard Koehler.

    In her book, Carly opens up about her tumultuous decade-long marriage to Taylor, how they ended up continuously cheating on each other, and the 'electricity' she felt when she first encountered Mick Jagger.


    He's in it for sure: In her book, Carly speaks about the 'electricity' between her and Mick Jagger, who did uncredited backing vocals on the song

    She describes how she first seen Taylor as a drawing on the cover of Time Magazine, telling her sister Joey 'I'm going to marry that man' - before doing exactly that.

    The first night they met they ended up in bed together - although Taylor insisted it wasn't for sex.

    After meeting for the first time backstage at one of his concerts in New York in 1971, Simon revealed the first thing she said was to offer him a home 'cooked lunch sometime', to which he replied 'what about tonight?'

    After going back to apartment, Taylor asked: "Could we go lie down on your bed? I mean just to 'lie down'."

    'He spoke like a southern gentleman asking is he might remove his rain boots in the mud room,' she recalled. 'After that first night we spent hardly a night apart for many years.'


    Cat's not out of the bag: Cat Stevens - now Yusuf Islam - was another fling believed to have been referred to in the song

    But before they married, Carly had 'a flirtation' with Mick Jagger, who was in the studio when she was recording You're So Vain and can be heard doing uncredited backing vocals.

    'The farther away we stood, the closer we got. Electricity. That's what it was,' she remembered. 'I wanted to touch his neck and he was looking at my lips.

    'The electricity was raw and hardly disguising its power. Having sex would have actually cooled things off.'

    Nevertheless, she married Taylor that same year, and had two children together. But the pressures of both being music superstars began to take its toll.

    'Our love became bipolar, switching from love to hate, lust to loathing, and back again, sometimes within a day,' she said.


    You can't handle the truth! Jack Nicholson also dated the singer

    In 1979 he admitted cheating with one of his backup dancers, later confessing that she hadn't been the first, prompting Simon to have an affair of her own.

    They eventually split in 1983. Simon - who still lives in the house they shared in Martha's Vineyard - says she still loves him, but Taylor hasn't spoke to her in years.

    'I think, "What did I do?" The answer is I don't know.

    'I still want to heal him, I still want to make him all right,' she said. 'And I love him so much.'

    'My incredible loyalty to him, in spite of the fact that he has treated me without any regard, has been so painful to me for so long,' she continued. 'But, through the course of writing the book, I really started to understand that I could love and not be loved. And that was the big realization for me, that it doesn't have to be a two-way street.'


    Whistler blower: Kris Kristofferson was another ex-lover candidate

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    It's kinda sad that she only seems to have this one song to talk about. Does anybody care anymore?
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    I never understood the appeal of Mick Jagger. Just sayin'. Yet he allegedly, was some hot beast that all the women wanted.

    Whatever.
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    Love Carly Simon. What an interesting life she has and had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rollo View Post
    It's kinda sad that she only seems to have this one song to talk about. Does anybody care anymore?
    I have to admit, I do. I think it's a masterpiece of a "hey, you were an a-hole" song. So many people write songs about nothing in particular, and this was not just catchy but singular in its anger. I also love "That the Way I Always Heard it Should be" (for the sardonic lyrics, especially). And "Nobody Does it Better".

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    Vain is one of the great insult songs, up there with Southern Man and its fantastic response Sweet Home Alabama, Brilliant Mistake by Elvis Costello, and Like A Rolling Stone.

    I've always liked Simon's music. Fun fact- she was attacked and punched in the face by Chrissie Hynde about 20 years ago, in a club in NY.



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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    Vain is one of the great insult songs, up there with Southern Man and its fantastic response Sweet Home Alabama, Brilliant Mistake by Elvis Costello, and Like A Rolling Stone.

    I've always liked Simon's music. Fun fact- she was attacked and punched in the face by Chrissie Hynde about 20 years ago, in a club in NY.
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    There are loads of insult songs - Idiot Wind, How Do You Sleep At Night, Under My Thumb, These Boots Are Made For Walking, Thorn in My Side just off the top of my head. I'm kinda sick of this one.

    Why did Chrissie Hynde attack her?
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    ^^^She probably thought the song was about her....

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    Cause Hynde is a sloppy drunk....Joni Mitchell was performing and Hynde was screaming 'I love you', after a bit Simon told her to sit down and be quiet, then Hynde attacked her, choking her and punching her. It was a huge scene. Joni kept p!saying.

    I was at the club (Fez), its one of my favorite memories (along with the time I saw Grace Jones go after a guy with a champagne bottle at The Coffee Shop in Union Square at 5am)



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    Ah good times!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rollo View Post
    There are loads of insult songs - Idiot Wind, How Do You Sleep At Night, Under My Thumb, These Boots Are Made For Walking, Thorn in My Side just off the top of my head. I'm kinda sick of this one.
    Cee Lo Green - Fuck You
    Marianne Faithfull - Why d ya do it
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    I love Carly but thought this was old news.
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    Speaking of insult songs:

    Hit 'Em Up by Tupac is a definite top 10 track. No question. Freaking awesome. Written in response to Who Shot Ya?, by Biggie, which is good, but not as good as tupac's


    Also, Lauryn Hill's Lost Ones, about Wyclef.....and South Bronx/The Bridge, both great. Although South Bronx is better. The Bridge is Over, another classic.


    Rap insult songs are in a class by themselves. The old ones anyway, Meek and Drake not so much.
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