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    2015-06-24 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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    Hypocrites Galore (Taylor Swift)

    I find it amusing when an "artist" starts slamming a business model undertaken by others that they explicitly practice themselves.

    “I’m sure you are aware that Apple Music will be offering a free 3 month trial to anyone who signs up for the service,” she wrote. “I’m not sure you know that Apple Music will not be paying writers, producers, or artists for those three months. I find it to be shocking, disappointing, and completely unlike this historically progressive and generous company.”

    So how about you, Taylor Swift?

    See, Taylor and her promotional firm, like most others, have the same sort of clause in the contracts they demand professional photographers sign to get access to her events.
    That agreement specifies that said professional may use the images they take only for one time, and only in the publication for which they primarily work. They may never use them again for any purpose, not even for their own portfolio and not for individual or artistic sale, ever.

    At the same time
    the artist and promoter may use them forever to promote themselves -- that is, for any purpose other than selling them actual images.


    So exactly how is this sort of thing different? Taylor wants to be paid for each performance of her work, and that's fine with me -- just like an artist wants to be paid for each CD sold. No problem.


    But then she demands that someone who takes a picture of her
    not use said image as an example of their artistry, nor that they be able to get paid for it in any form.

    And no, these are not "work for hire" arrangements either; Taylor is not paying the photographer (if she was then such a rights assignment would be both reasonable and customary.) Rather these are typically photographers who work on a basis that pays them only for shots actually used by the publication to which they're nominally attached, which means that they are effectively providing work to Taylor Swift for free in many cases -- exactly what she's complaining about with Apple!

    Taylor, of course, has the right to demand such terms. But she's more than a bit of a hypocrite to demand them and then slam Apple for a promotional environment that, one would hope, would lead to more sales of her product in the future -- just as the photographer displaying his work in his portfolio would (one would hope!)


    Physician, heal thyself.



    Oh, and as far as Taylor Swift goes, I don't much care for her music -- but I sure won't be listening to any of it in the future to see if I might change my mind.


    If there's one thing I really don't like it's hypocrisy.

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    Stupid article. Many artists exercise control of their own image and the law backs them up. Besides, photos at venues generally belong to the "event" anyway. You know this before you sign up for credentials. If they want to make more money of their pics, then go photograph landscapes or something.
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    I'm with Swift on this one. She has the right to protect her name and likeness. And it's not like the photographer is prevented from using the photos again, it's just that he needs her permission whenever he does. What if the photographer wants to sell the image to Playboy or some porno site and she doesn't want to be associated with them? it's her event/concert and she has the right to control the images. Now if she's walking on the street, the photographers don't have to sign any contracts and of course they can use and reuse the images as many times as they wish.

    As for her beef with Apple, I don't see why people are accusing her of being selfish and greedy. Just because she's a millionaire, she doesnt owe anybody anything. I saw a lot of stupid comments online about people saying she's only pretending to support the lesser known artists and the whole thing was a self serving stunt. Well so what? If the outcome of this is that she gets paid, and the other struggling artists get paid during the free streaming period, isn't that a good thing? The sense of entitlement of some people. Ugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by *Kat* View Post
    As for her beef with Apple, I don't see why people are accusing her of being selfish and greedy. Just because she's a millionaire, she doesnt owe anybody anything. I saw a lot of stupid comments online about people saying she's only pretending to support the lesser known artists and the whole thing was a self serving stunt. Well so what? If the outcome of this is that she gets paid, and the other struggling artists get paid during the free streaming period, isn't that a good thing? The sense of entitlement of some people. Ugh.
    She may be a millionaire, but Apple is a billion dollar company, so if they want to give their customers three months free music, they should take it from their own pockets, not the artists'.

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    "beef with Apple"? Well, there are "Truthers" out there who think the whole "Swift writes a tumblr post and within 24 hours Apple changes their mind" was a PR stunt. Ludicrous? Perhaps. But if you think about it, I could imagine that it might have gone down like this conspiracy theory.


    Meet the Truthers Who Think There's a Taylor Swift/Apple Conspiracy
    Meet the Truthers Who Think There's a Taylor Swift/Apple Conspiracy

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    Kate Knibbs Filed to: CONSPIRACIES 6/23/15 7:10pm


    After streaming music nemesis Taylor Swift published an open letter to Apple on Sunday asking the company to pay artists during Apple Music’s free three month trial period, Apple quickly changed its policy to line up with Swift’s wishes. Almost TOO quickly...

    Apple exec Eddy Cue told Billboard that the abrupt change went down after he read Swift’s Tumblr heartsong, but the swift (lol) timing of Apple’s turnaround made people suspicious that Swift was secretly cooperating with Apple the entire time in a brilliantly orchestrated stunt that made her look like a boss motherfucker and Apple look vaguely capable of empathy.




    HMMMMMMMMMMM.
    Pandora’s co-founder Tom Conrad got in on the conspiracy theorizing with a tweet storm outlining the nefarious plan. Conrad points out that Apple isn’t doing anything that its competitors weren’t already doing, which makes Swift’s consistently stiff hate boner for Spotifyall the more puzzling:



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    Interesting comments, IMO everything about Taylor Swift is a PR stunt and carefully manufactured to be make her look like the perfect pop star.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Apple and Taylor had pre-planned the whole thing. Did any other major artists complain about the free-trial?

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    Only artist I heard of commenting on Apple new streaming service is Lars Ulrich, Meltallica drummer, who used to criticize Napster and music piracy.

    Metallica’s Lars Ulrich on Apple Music: ‘I feel very safe with them’

    June 22, 2015 8:26 AM
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    CANNES, France — Apple may be getting kicked in the face by pop singer Taylor Swift, but it’s getting nothing but hugs from heavy metal giant Metallica.
    During an interview today at Cannes Lions, the international marketing and advertising conference, Metallica drummer Lars Ulrich said he and his bandmates are excited about the upcoming launch of Apple’s new streaming service, dubbed Apple Music, next week.

    Ulrich said the band has been happy with its relationship with Spotify, the leading music streaming service. And he noted that the company has had long-term relationships with Apple executives like Tim Cook and Eddy Cue, as well as music mogul Jimmy Iovine, who is now in charge of Apple Music.
    “It’s going to be very exciting,” Ulrich said. “We’ve given them access to everyone we do. I feel very safe with them.”
    Apple’s fledgling music streaming service suffered a black eye this week thanks to a timely protest by Swift who was upset Apple wasn’t planning to pay artists during the 3-month free trial period. Apple buckled and reversed course a few hours later.
    Ulrich, however, said Metallica has been comfortable with the free streaming services, such as Spotify. These companies argue that the free, ad-supported service helps introduce people to streaming as a first step toward converting them to paying more lucrative monthly subscriptions.
    In the case of Metallica, Ulrich said the band wants to be a part of anything that gets its music heard by more people.
    “It’s ultimately about getting the music out there,” he said.

    Metallica's Lars Ulrich on Apple Music: 'I feel very safe with them' | VentureBeat | Media | by Chris O'Brien
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    Also I just thought of this. If it's true and Swift and Apple really did pull a PR stunt then I doubt that she got paid by them. And the outcome might not have been what Apple PR had hoped for. That they get a lot of positive feedback. Now it looks as if Swift got pissed at them, which gives Apple a negative image. Taylor really is the only one who benefited from this "stunt", because she looks super cool, powerful and like a winner and also an advocate for all those poor, struggling artists. She looks like everybody's best buddy, but Apple still looks like a big, bad cooperation, because most media coverage interpret Swifts open letter as criticism. But I guess that's what PR team have to deal with. When they plan a campaign there is a chance that some of its outcome is actually unwanted.
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    "Ulrich, however, said Metallica has been comfortable with the free streaming services, such as Spotify. These companies argue that the free, ad-supported service helps introduce people to streaming as a first step toward converting them to paying more lucrative monthly subscriptions.
    In the case of Metallica, Ulrich said the band wants to be a part of anything that gets its music heard by more people.
    “It’s ultimately about getting the music out there,” he said.


    Ulrich makes some good points, all these streaming services is about connecting with public and building a fan base.

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    PR stunt or not, Swift's letter did help Apple sign up a few indie artists lol So really, in the end this must be a gain for Apple, they have now tapped into the indie market. Whereas, in the past indie artists would stay away from the big corporations.

    After Taylor Swift's letter, thousands of indie labels sign on for Apple Music

    After Taylor Swift's letter, thousands of indie labels sign on for Apple Music

    DateJune 25, 2015 - 7:10AM

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    Follow me: thousands of indie music labels will do what Taylor did and sign up to Apple Music. Photo: Michel Porro


    Shortly after Taylor Swift got Apple Inc. to change its mind on royalty payments, thousands of independent record labels in the US have now voiced their support for Apple Music.
    Beggars Group, a consortium of labels representing the likes of Adele, Vampire Weekend and the xx, said Wednesday it now endorses the new Apple Music deal. Merlin Network, which collects digital royalties for 20,000 independent music companies, has also backed the new terms.
    It's a remarkable reversal from just a few days ago, when labels were criticising Apple's plans to not pay royalties during consumers' free three-month Apple Music trial. The tech giant changed course Sunday night, just 17 hours after Swift expressed concerns in an open letter and threatened to withhold her album 1989 from the service.
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    "Over the last few days we have had increasingly fruitful discussions with Apple," Beggars Group founder Martin Mills said in a statement. "We are now delighted to say that we are happy to endorse the deal with Apple Music as it now stands, and look forward to being a big part of a very exciting future."
    Apple has said it will pay at least 71.5 percent of its streaming revenue to right holders when customers pay $US9.99 a month for access. During the free trial, it will pay on a per-stream basis, and not based on a percentage of revenue.
    Billboard was first to report the deals with Beggars Group and Merlin.
    "We thank Apple Music for hearing our concerns and for their fair and equitable treatment of the worldwide music creator community," the American Association of Independent Music said in a statement.
    Los Angeles Times



    Read more: After Taylor Swift's letter, thousands of indie labels sign on for Apple Music
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    Sometimes a coincidence is just a coincidence. Apple just realised that giving away other people's property is a potential PR disaster at the same time as Taylor Swift wrote her letter.
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    Lars can shut the fuck up. Taylor is not being a hypocrite and I think good on her for speaking up. It wasn't that long ago that artists were screwed out of money left and right. Go read up on Jim Croce and how his wife had to fight for over 20 years to get any money that was rightfully hers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arie_skop View Post
    Interesting comments, IMO everything about Taylor Swift is a PR stunt and carefully manufactured to be make her look like the perfect pop star.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Apple and Taylor had pre-planned the whole thing. Did any other major artists complain about the free-trial?
    I completely agree. I love her and believe deep down that I am totally being duped by her diabolical PR and it's OK.

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    I can't help but think there is some sexism and agism at play. If she were an older male performer people would not be so quick to challenge her.
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