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    Default Jessica Lange Talks Hollywood Ageism, Sexism: Industry Is Run With Male Point of View




    Emmy winner sounds off on male wish fulfillment and co-star age gaps in show business

    Jessica Lange has been the powerhouse female lead of FX’s “American Horror Story” for four years, and a symbol of female empowerment throughout her film career, but she’s not immune to conversations in the air this week about sexism and ageism in show business.
    “Hollywood is run with this male point of view. Even if a woman runs a studio, she still does it with a male point of view. And as long as that exists, you’re still going to have this wish fulfillment,” Lange said during an interview for an upcoming issue of TheWrap Magazine.
    “That men continue to be fascinating and attractive and virile, and women age and are no longer sexual or beautiful — it’s a fantasy that has nothing to do with reality.”

    Her comments come on the heels of a Wednesday interview TheWrap conducted with Maggie Gyllenhaal, wherein “The Honorable Woman” star revealed her anger and disappointment when she wasinformed that her age of 37 was “too old” to be cast as love interest to a 55-year-old man.
    Lange wonders, “why would a 37 year old want to play opposite a 55-year-old man?”
    “When I was in my thirties I wasn’t fascinated by 70-year-old men. But then, I didn’t have to be. It’s classic Hollywood, ” Lange posed while speaking from her home in New Orleans. “I’m glad the media has picked up on it, but it’s certainly not a new phenomenon.”
    Lange’s swan song for the “Horror Story’ anthology, which has changed themes and characters each year while retaining most of the cast, was as Elsa Mars, the head of a traveling freak show. If she’s learned anything during her tenure as Ryan Murphy‘s horror queen, it’s about the human response to the inevitability of death.

    “I think a lot of it is fear of mortality,” Lange said of the male lens on entertainment. “One’s mortality, one’s youth and virility… now they have Viagra, they’re humping away on their deathbeds. Hollywood is a perfect expansion of that idea that permeates our society.”
    In addition to Lange’s feedback, prolific producer Brain Grazer weighed in on the debate Thursday. Grazer brought an optimistic point a view that there are workarounds to the gender and age gap, like that one he found for Jodie Foster in Disney’s 2005 thriller “Flightplan.”
    “This feels like an unfair, illogical and prejudicial thing to do,” he told Wrap CEO and Editor-in-chief Sharon Waxman. “A 40-year-old woman, a 50-year-old woman… Meryl Streep today… they [all have] sex appeal. It’s just about chemistry of the couple.”

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    I never heard Angela Lansbury whinge this much about roles and aging when she was getting older.
    She just rocked whatever role came her way and was a silent achiever.
    What's with these women? Whining isn't going to change anything it just makes them look bitter.

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    Angela started taking the unfuckable mother role at an early age. She was 36 when The Manchurian Candidate was filmed and Laurence Harvey, who played her son, was only three years younger. She has cut a living out of looking older than she is, which is a teeny, tiny niche.

    While there's something to be said for be willing to play 'ugly,' or play 'old,' there's also something to be said for the social impact of so few women being portrayed as perfectly fuckable sexual creatures past the age of forty, while men are represented as being not only fuckable at that age, but worth fighting over by much younger women.

    Before he married my 30 year-old stepmother, my father (72) confided in me that he couldn't get it up for women over fifty (Ew! Overshare, Dad!)

    That is anecdotal evidence to be sure, but he's a rich, white male, and they certainly do their fair share of swaying popular culture and politics with cash. That's something that needs to be intentionally checked
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    ^exactly, Angela was no longer fuckable after a certain point of time, and she had to take the asexual matronly roles. When it comes to Hollywood, the characters seem to either fuck men (girlfriend/lover/wife) or serve men (mother/grandmother). It's not whining to complain that the people around you are saying you're ineligible for roles because a 50 year old in a film can't possibly be attracted to a woman who appears to be the same age. She's basically been told she's valued less than a younger woman simply because they'd rather fuck the younger woman. Her experience, talent, and intelligence for roles all becomes null and void because she's not 25 anymore. It's not whining, because it's genuinely a misogynistic and incredibly discriminatory practice. I find it disgusting, personally, but I'm easily offended by this type of stuff. It's an old example, but it was hilarious to watch High Noon the other week and see a 21 year old Grace Kelly being married to a 50 year old Gary Cooper.

    I shared this Delphine Seyrig quote with my friend last night, and it fits so I'll share it here too---"We live in a so-called heterosexual society which is really male heterosexual. Power, press, media, industry all stress male achievements. Heterosexuality was a mask. In the commercial cinema, this heterosexuality appears basically anti-feminine"
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    I'm really pleased that more and more women in intertainment are speaking up against the lack of diverse roles. And I think the problem goes further than women over a certain age not being portrayed as fuckable. It's also a problem that the majority a female roles are passive.
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    This has more to do with the demographics of moviegoers than anything else. Hollywood wants to sell tickets and the younger population buys more movie tickets than any other group. Although you will see movies which depict middle-age romance, such as Something's Gotta Give, they're not going to be in large supply simply because it's not what sells the most.

    Hollywood does focus groups all the time. They are giving the moviegoers what they want. Of course, when you're a woman of a certain age you want to see yourself represented on the screen and if you're an actress of a certain age you want to work consistently. However, I truly believe if Hollywood could make a lot of money making more Somethings Gotta Gives, they would do it.

    The reality is there are way more aging actresses than there are romantic roles for them to play. It sucks but that's life. Granny/Gramps romance movies have a place in Hollywood but there are just not enough of them to keep all the aging actresses working steadily. I don't see that changing anytime soon. Frankly, I don't see it changing ever.
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    I see it changing. More movies will begin to be made for distribution through pay-per-view and Netflix. That will attract the older audience who no longer wants to go to the movies and pay a lot to be bothered by poorly behaved teens. There is already Oscar talk for Blythe Danner in I'll See You In My Dreams. She is also calling for more roles for older actresses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoko Ono View Post
    I never heard Angela Lansbury whinge this much about roles and aging when she was getting older.
    She just rocked whatever role came her way and was a silent achiever.
    What's with these women? Whining isn't going to change anything it just makes them look bitter.

    oh man, you're pathetic
    thanks for the laughs, though

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    I agree with ADel. Unfortunately it's a commercial decision as to what will hold the typical viewer's interest on screen. I don't know if 80 year olds want to look at other 80 year olds? I don't think so!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brah View Post
    ^exactly, Angela was no longer fuckable after a certain point of time, and she had to take the asexual matronly roles. When it comes to Hollywood, the characters seem to either fuck men (girlfriend/lover/wife) or serve men (mother/grandmother). It's not whining to complain that the people around you are saying you're ineligible for roles because a 50 year old in a film can't possibly be attracted to a woman who appears to be the same age.
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    What? I do think 80-year-olds want to see other 80-year-olds. Probably the kind that look like Carmen DellOrefice or Jane Fonda, but still. We all want to be represented. When you don't see a reflection of someone like you in popular media, it's a subtle message that you aren't worth being represented, that people don't care about seeing someone like you. It's a damaging message.
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    What I really want to see is women fucking up their lives and careers, and still turning out alright in the end. That's why I like series such as Prime Suspect (the original with Helen Mirren) and Scott&Baily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sputnik View Post

    oh man, you're pathetic
    thanks for the laughs, though

    Well we're all entitled to our opinions.
    These women have money and it really shits me that instead of whinging they don't start up more production companies, sponsor more female scriptwriters and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT instead of expecting the aging dinosaur execs who aren't going to give up their young woman/old man fantasy porn to do it for them. Its so passive and well whiney.
    I probably should have added that afterwards but I posted in a rush. Lol

    I used Angela as an example as I'm a huge fan of hers.

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    I started watching Frankie and Grace last night. Jane Fonda and Lily Tomlin are great.
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