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    Is Tom Cruise finally having a long-overdue crisis of faith over Scientology?

    Clearly, life hasn’t worked as planned for Tom Cruise, who has achieved OT Level VIII as a Scientologist and, as a result, is said to possess unprecedented control over “life, thought, matter, energy, space and time.” Yet even with the benefit of this amazing (paid) accomplishment, Tom hasn’t been able to maintain any sense of control over his three marriages. As such, he finds himself so lonely and miserable, and it certainly doesn’t help that everyone now knows the details of his wife auditions, which included filing of incisors and ignoring menstrual pain. Everyone also knows that he yelled at Katie Holmes for four straight days about the CO$, and she was so terrified of him that she used burner phones to file for divorce. Poor Tom might be realizing that he’s not such a great catch after all.
    The natural conclusion here (for normal people) would be for Tom to realize that maybe Scientology hasn’t been so great for him after all. He can’t seem to keep a wife, and everyone else thinks he’s crazy. No one will go watch any of his movies anymore unless he’s bungee jumping off the world’s tallest building. Sure, Tom has all the fame and money that a man could ever desire, but there’s still something definitely missing from his world (sanity?) that cannot possibly be filled by the CO$. Could he ever actually leave the cult though? That’s what this week’s issue of Star claims — that Tom is distancing himself from Scientology even though he hasn’t said whether or not he would ever actually leave the fold.
    If Tom ever left, he’d have to worry about his videotaped audit tapes somehow being released. We already know that CO$ head David Miscavige is literally obsessed” with Tom, and he’s already gone so far as to spy on Tom for years to bring him back from his previous years-long defection while he was married to Nicole Kidman. CO$ defector John Brousseau claims that Miscavige wouldn’t hesistate to throw Tom under the bus by exposing his secrets. All the same, Star maintains that Tom is “crushed that his faith destroyed yet another of his marriages, [and] friends say the poster boy for Scientology is finally ready to move on.” This sounds like wishful thinking on Star’s part, but here’s the story:

    Since third wife Katie Holmes blindsided Tom Cruise by filing for divorce in June, he has lost his swagger — and enough weight to seem like a shell of his former action-hero self.
    Insiders say it was his unwavering devotion to Scientology that cost Tom his marriage to Katie. And it wasn’t the first time that that controversial religion — which allegedly controls every aspect of his life — had destroyed one of his relationships: His breakups from second wife Nicole Kidman and girlfriend Penelope Cruz were also linked to Scientology’s stranglehold over the actor.
    But now, insiders say, Tom, 50, is starting to recognize the role his faith has played in his love life. And after suffering through this most recent and particularly painful divorce, the superstar may be finally turning away from Scienotlogy!
    “Tom hasn’t admitted that he’s definitely leaving Scientology for good,” says an insider close to him. “But he’s distanced himself from those in the church and has been hanging out with good firends who aren’t part of the religion.”
    For Tom, who for the past decade has surrounded himself with followers of the cultlike organization at all times — even in private moments in his own home — branching out is a giant step. “Tom’s been leaning on friends who have different perspectives, getting advice on moving on from Katie as well as on everything he’s been going through with Scientology,” the insider explains. “He’s finally seeing that being such an advocate for Scientology hasn’t served him as well as he’d hoped — he’s gone through three divorces, and his public perception has sunk to an all-time low.”
    Tom’s relationships aren’t the only things that have suffered from his devotion. His once thriving career also hit the skids after he became more vocal in his support of Scientology. Since his now infamous 2005 couch-jumping incident on “Oprah” and, a few weeks later, his controversial interview with Matt Lauer, in which he lectured the “Today” co-anchor on the history of psychology, his odd behavior has been slammed in the press, and audiences have bee less enthusiastic about his films. In fact, with the exception of Mission: Impossible — Ghost Protocol, his past few movies have flopped at the box office. Tom’s former chef, Sinar Partman, an ex-Scientologist, explains the public’s turning against the star: “He’s associated with a cult, and it’s hurting his reputation.”
    If Tom does sever ties with the church again, one thing is clear: David Miscavige will not stop until the star comes back. “everything Tom does is monitored, Parman tells Star. “And David Miscavige has a hold on everything in Tom’s life.
    [From Star, print edition, October 8, 2012]
    If Tom ever had the balls to leave the CO$, I would have to start thinking differently about him and maybe even stop making fun of his lifts (okay, I wouldn’t go that far). But I honestly don’t ever see how Tom could survive on a daily basis without Scientology’s slaves doing everything for him. They literally do everything for him except actually appear onscreen in Tom Cruise movies. They build and remodel his homes, they cook his food and clean his houses, and they plan his itineraries. All the while, they do the most important thing ever — they totally kiss Tom’s ass. In the infamous October Vanity Fair article, Nazanin Boniadi discussed how Tom’s daily life with his CO$ entourage is a chorus of them reminding him of what a great job he was doing “saving the world” with Scientology. What would he do if he didn’t hear such praise on an hourly basis and his only constant company was the empty vessel left by decades worth of (useless) auditing? He’d completely lose it.
    Also, I really don’t buy this story at all except as a necessary continuation of the “poor Tom” narrative. Who belongs to his camp that would say this stuff to Star? All of Tom’s “insiders” are CO$. His household staff is CO$. His entire travelling entourage? CO$. The story also goes on to push the whole Tom wants to get with Cameron Diaz angle too. Ha.
    On a related note, a Texas lawsuit claims that David Miscavige has splashed out millions of dollars to spy on one ex-parishioner, Pat Broeker, over the past 24 years. Pat, who was Miscavige’s rival for control of the CO$ when L. Ron Hubbard passed on to his next meat vessel, has allegedly been followed by private investigators since 1988. If Miscavige is this obsessive and ruthless about his former competitor, think of how he’ll be if Tom ever decides to formally leave the cult. Seriously, it’s like a Fatal Attraction thing between those two, isn’t it?



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    How bad is it when Tom Cruise is taller than you?

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    ^Pretty bad. I'm counting down the days till he cracks.

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    The only way he will be able to leave those crazy fuckers if he just says, "Fuck it. I don't care." And honestly, I would like him if he did. I think no matter what dirt they throw out about him.

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    He can't quit. He has invested his life. He will never admit he was a fool.
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    I say it's wishful thinking, but he'll never leave. If Travolta won't, there's no way Cruise is.
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    He'll keep throwing good money after bad with these people. Seems like he's given up just about everything that means anything for them - love, friends, reputation. If losing all that wasn't an eye opener by now, I figure he'll dig his heels in and re-double his efforts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurent View Post
    He'll keep throwing good money after bad with these people. Seems like he's given up just about everything that means anything for them - love, friends, reputation. If losing all that wasn't an eye opener by now, I figure he'll dig his heels in and re-double his efforts.
    Exactly. Plus Tom can leave the church if he wants but he won't do or say anything that would jeopardize the CO$ march to world domination. He has kids and despite the cray cray, I'm sure he cares about what happens to them. Jett Travolta, ya know?

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    If he left the church once, he could leave it again.


    By Tony Ortega Fri., Jan. 13 2012 at 12:19 AM181 Comments
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    Three former Church of Scientology officials tell the Voice that for years -- at least between 1991 and 2005 -- church leader David Miscavige kept a close watch on Tom Cruise with the use of a man named Michael Doven, who served as Cruise's personal assistant.

    For much of that time, 1991 to 2001, Cruise, one of Scientology's most famous faces, was actually estranged from the church (a closely-held secret until just a few years ago). While Cruise kept his distance from Scientology during that period, Miscavige still received detailed, daily reports about the Cruise household through Doven, the former officials say.

    Doven was reached on the telephone Wednesday, but he hung up when he learned that it was the Voice calling. An e-mail was subsequently sent to him with specific questions about the allegation that he spied on his employer, Cruise, on behalf of the church, but he did not respond.

    Part of the reason for the surveillance, says former church official Claire Headley, was that Miscavige and the church were worried that Cruise would cut ties entirely with Scientology. "Doven told us what Tom was complaining about, about what areas in his life he was having trouble with. Then we could use that information to tailor our approach to him," she says.
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    How Scientology Spied on Tom Cruise - New York - News - Runnin' Scared

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    Quote Originally Posted by louiswinthorpe111 View Post
    I say it's wishful thinking, but he'll never leave. If Travolta won't, there's no way Cruise is.
    I'd bet on Cruise leaving before Travolta. Cruise does have a certain kind of crazy backbone. Travolta doesn't imo.

    I have never liked Tom Cruise, but if he left Scientology I would develop a certain grudging respect for him. It takes guts to leave a cult like that.
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    Well, if I had spent millions of dollars and years of my life trying to obtain super powers - and failed, I'd certainly be disillusioned. I'd also be an idiot, because I had believed that two cans and a volt meter could give one super powers.

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    I would respect him a smidgeon if he did but I doubt it, he seems to be more in this than ever. The only way he will leave if it really threatens his career which its starting to do. But I really do think its the final days for Scientology - it is a question whether Tommy boy jumps before the ship sinks or goes under with it and trying to find a lifeboat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathie_Moffett View Post
    I'd bet on Cruise leaving before Travolta. Cruise does have a certain kind of crazy backbone. Travolta doesn't imo.
    Travolta practices on his own, almost, with a few close minders and friends. You will never see pictures of John with David M or any other Scientology bigwig.

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    Well, if I had spent millions of dollars and years of my life trying to obtain super powers - and failed, I'd certainly be disillusioned. I'd also be an idiot, because I had believed that two cans and a volt meter could give one super powers.
    So do you admit you were an idiot, for all those years, or do you stick with it to prove to yourself you aren't an idiot?

    I've lurked on some ex-Scientology boards and they still can't give it up completely. Many still believe that they travel through space and time at will, that they have power over the physical universe with their minds, that they are the most aware people on the planet. It's all very silly and sad.
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    Co$ has the same hold on little Tommy as they do on Travolta. If either of them threatens to leave the world will be told that they are indeed gay. There are still enough naive fools out there for whom this will be shattering news and both careers will be destroyed. I don't think Travolta gives a shit any more, but for our pocket action man Tom it will be a humiliating blow.

    Could that motorbike pic be any more gay?
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    I don't think he'd ever defect. He seems like the type to get behind something or believe in something (except for the women in his life, and apparently Suri) so fervently that there is no other option. His family is in CoS, everyone around him is in CoS ... I just don't see him admitting defeat. I have always wondered how people in CoS justify certain things to themselves ... just three things off the top of my head:

    1-) Not being allowed to know what your religion really is all about until you've spent an exorbitant amount of time and money
    2-) Finding out after spending said time and money that your faith hinges on a really, really far out there science fiction-like idea that was conceived by a science fiction writer/con man who has a really questionable background
    3-) Witnessing how certain members (celebrities that are loaded) are treated compared to "regular" members

    I remember reading a former member's thoughts and doubts when he finally reached the OT level where you learn about thetans and Xenu (it was somebody famous, rich and in the entertainment industry, maybe Paul Haggis?). He said that he was given a locked briefcase and told to go in a room and read. I can't remember how many times he said he came out and basically said, "This is a joke, right?" and they kept telling him no and sending him back in the room to read the material. AND HE STILL STAYED FOR YEARS AFTER THOSE DOUBTS! He sounded very intelligent and sincere, yet still remained in the CoS until something finally snapped (if I recall correctly, it was something about being forced to give up in-laws for being suppressive, or maybe the CoS's stance on gay marriage ... I could be remembering two different defector's stories). TC doesn't really strike me as gifted in the intellect department. And he has put SO much energy (certainly more energy than he put in any of his marriages or his kids) into CoS. I just think he's the type (obviously, I could be wrong) that would believe until his last breath. He's not too bright and he's been drinking the Kool-Aid for far too long. He'd have to admit failure and I think that's something he's not able to do (except for the wives and the kids).
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