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    "Jim Bob kept emphasizing that some of the girls were asleep during the molestation and the ones who were awake were "too young to understand bad touch" so it didn't matter."
    Small children who have decent parents KNOW what bad touching is because their parents educate them and make every attempt to keep them safe. Maybe someone should explain bad parenting to these idiots.

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    Jim Bob Duggar Defends Molester Son Josh as a "Child Preying on a Child"



    19 Excuses and Counting: Every Excuse the Duggars Made for Their Son


    Gabrielle Bluestone



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    On Wednesday, 19 Kids and Counting parents Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar confirmed many of the allegations concerning their son, Josh, who molested four of their children and a babysitter by the age of fifteen. But man does that family make a lot of excuses. They make so many excuses.

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    The Duggars’ answers, which aired Wednesday on Fox News, tend to relate back to two main points: A. that some of the girls weren’t awake and were therefore unaware they’d been molested, and B. that it was just an over-the-clothes fondle, except, apparently, when it wasunder the clothes, but only “for like a few seconds.”
    And Josh confessed on his own volition, they say. He kept doing it, but he felt very bad!
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    After Josh confessed to fondling a sibling under the age of 10, Jim Bob and Michelle sent him to do construction work with a family friend for a few months—a trip they’d later refer to as Christian counseling program—and had a police officer, now a convicted sex offender, lecture him. Eventually Jim Bob and Michelle had a few more kids, the family got a TV show, and Josh got excused.
    The Excuse: “Josh had a tender conscience”
    Michelle: We were shocked. I mean we were just devastated. I don’t think any parent is prepared for trauma like that. And I think we had one ray of hope that Josh had a tender conscience and he was the one that came and shared on his own, even though the others really didn’t know anything of his wrongdoing.
    The Excuse: “They didn’t know he had done it.”
    Megyn: Did he explain why? I mean is that a question that you asked?
    Jim Bob: He said he was just curious about girls, and he had gone in and just basically touched them over their clothes while they were sleeping. They didn’t even know he had done it.
    The Excuse: “None of them were aware.”
    Jim Bob: We first off really talked to him. And then we talked to the girls.
    Michelle: Because it was so important as parents to talk to our girls and make sure that nothing else had happened.
    Megyn: And what did they say?

    Michelle: Well, one by one, as we talked with them, none of them were aware of Josh’s wrongdoings.
    Megyn: So they learned about it from you?
    Both parents: Yeah.
    The Excuse: “Similar things happen in other families”
    Megyn: When you went to bed at night during that timeframe, were you scared? Were you worried, “You know, he’s 14, he’s having this problem, what’s going to happen when we go to sleep?”

    Jim Bob: Nothing ever happened in the girls bedrooms after that. So we had safeguards that protected them from that. But there was another incident, two different instances where girls were, like, laying on the couch.
    Michelle: ...Sleeping
    Jim Bob: And he had touched, like, over the couch, and actually touched the breasts while they were asleep.
    Michelle: ...Over the clothes
    Jim Bob: Yeah, over the clothes. And so it was a very difficult situation. But as we’ve talked to other parents and different ones since then, a lot of families since said that they’ve had similar things happen in their families. I mean this is, for us, of course, this is public shame that our son did this, back 12, 13 years ago.
    The Excuse: “This was not rape”
    Jim Bob: We thought at first that Josh was on the road to mend, but he was still a kid, you know, he was still a juvenile. He wasn’t an adult. And so there was a couple more times he came and told us what he had done, and we were just devastated. Again, this was not rape or anything like that. This was like touching over the clothes. There were a couple instances where he touched someone under the clothes, but for like a few seconds. And then he came to us, and was crying, and told us what happened.
    The Excuse: “They probably didn’t even understand that it was an improper touch.”
    Megyn: The subsequent incidents, after the first one, involved daughters who were awake. Or at least a couple of them?
    Jim Bob: There was a couple, yeah, and they didn’t really understand.
    Michelle: It was more his heart, his intent. He knew that it was wrong. But they weren’t even aware. To them they probably didn’t even understand that it was an improper touch.
    The Excuse: “It was more just like fondling, a touch while they were asleep—for most of them”
    Megyn: Just to clarify, it was four daughters and there was a babysitter outside the family
    Jim Bob: Yes.
    Megyn: And you notified her about the incident?
    Jim Bob: Yes. He called her up and asked her forgiveness, and she didn’t know he had done anything, either. It was more just like a fondling, a touch while they were asleep—for most of them. Then there was two other incidents that were when they were awake. And it was just a bad thing.
    The Excuse: “Why in the world would [the cop] say that? Maybe he’d get out on parole sooner.”
    Jim Bob: At police headquarters, we went in and talked to him and said, “Hey, my son has something that he needs to share with you.” We actually took a witness with us. We went in and sat down and he shared everything.
    Megyn: He told it all?
    Jim Bob: He told everything. And we had no idea that what that officer was going through on his own.
    Megyn: So the audience knows, that officer is now in jail for 56 years for child pornography charges. Did you have any idea he was involved in that at the time?
    Michelle: That came out years later. We were, like, shocked to read that in the paper.
    Megyn: So the critics who say, “Oh, they chose that guy because they thought he would be sympathetic.”
    Jim Bob: I didn’t know anything about this guy except he was an officer there at headquarters.
    Megyn: From now from prison, where he’s serving time for child pornography, he says, “Well he only told me about one incident and that’s why I didn’t pursue charges.”
    Jim Bob: I was questioning, “Why in the world would he say that?” Maybe he’d get out on parole sooner. Because he actually violated the law in this case himself by not reporting it.
    The Excuse: “There’s boundaries that we’ve learned”
    Michelle: We still had those safeguards in place. I mean, it’s like there were a lot of things that changed in our understanding as parents, with this first child, first son, to come to this place in his life, where like, there were things we learned, even since then, that I think, “You know what, we don’t let boys babysit. They don’t play hide and seek together, two don’t go off and hide.” There are just a lot of things that we’ve put in place. We said, “You’re not alone in a room with someone else. Always be out visible, and, you know, little ones don’t sit on big boys’ laps or people that you don’t know or even family members, unless it’s your daddy. So we just—there’s boundaries that we’ve learned.”
    The Excuse: “The legal definition is 16 and up for being an adult preying on a child.”
    Megyn: Michelle let me ask you, because you were in the news for making a robocall that suggested transgender people might want to go into the bathrooms of girls, locker rooms of girls, and that they may be child molesters. Folks have used that in the past week against you saying how could you unfairly, in their view, compare transgender people to child molesters, suggest they are child molesters, knowing what you know about Josh.
    Michelle: I think that protecting young girls and not allowing young men, and men in general, to go into a girls’ locker room is just common sense.
    Megyn: But this is different, because you injected child molestation into it.
    Jim Bob: I think you actually said pedophile in that, and actually a pedophile is an adult that preys on children. Joshua was actually 14 and just turned 15 when he did what he did. And I think that the legal definition is 16 and up for being an adult preying on a child. So he was a child preying on a child.
    Megyn: You do not view Josh as a pedophile.
    Both parents: No.
    The Excuse: “I feel like this is more about... there is an agenda”
    Megyn: Can you understand the critics’ reaction to this news?
    Michelle: I can understand that, but I know that every one of us have done things wrong. That’s why Jesus came. I feel like this is more about... there is an agenda and there is people that are purposing to try to bring things out and twisting them to hurt and slander.
    The Duggars used the word sorry twice on the program, explaining to Megyn that when Josh left the house they told their kids he had “done some very bad things and he’s, he’s sorry.” The second time was when Fox replayed the clip.

    Image via AP. Contact the author at gabrielle@gawker.com.

    19 Excuses and Counting: Every Excuse the Duggars Made for Their Son



    Theres also a page on FB someone created called "Life Is Not All Pickles and Hairspray".
    https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Du...0625?pnref=lhc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post

    Sums it up well.

    It sounds like Michelle says "lesbian agenda" when being asked about why this is coming out now. Some claim people who hear that are wrong. I don't know what else she could be saying.

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    I wanna beat this heifer over the head with her Mother of the Year award. Then give it to Jana.

    Or better yet, auction it off with the proceeds to pay for Jana to gtfo and go to school.
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    ^^^ This!!^^^

    Team Jana.
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    WTF do lesbians have to do with their son being a perv and them protecting him and not giving a shit about their daughters?
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    I just wish one of these 'of age' girls....Jana or Jinger since the other two older ones have already been sold off and turned out into brood mares....would realize the power they have and break away from these idiot parents.

    I'd be demanding my share of the show money and freedom to have my own life and let them know if they don't like it I can always go do it anyway and write that tell-all that would surely support me in whatever the fuck I wanted to do anyway!
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    Had to share this from idontlikeyouinthatway.com:

    If you were somehow under the impression that the Megyn Kelly “exclusive” interview of Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar (haha, Jim Bob! I put Michelle’s name first!) would be a documentary about the dangers of abstinence-only education and righteous indignation as told by one hypocrite and a person who looks like she escaped a bunker 20 years ago and still doesn’t realize it, congratulations. It was a shitshow. First, let’s start with Michelle Duggar. Look at her. As far as she’s concerned, Jim Bob is God. This is what fundamentalism breeds besides a lot of children. This is a woman who has been so completely and utterly brainwashed, that she is unable to see the systematic psychological abuse that’s been inflicted on her to the point that she will go on national television and say “it was kinda rape but it wasn’t rape rape and the girls were asleep so it’s all good”. This woman doesn’t deserve our ridicule or scorn, except maybe for her hair and garments of mixed fibers, this woman needs to be rescued before Jim Bob has her making Kool-Aid in Duggartown, Guyana. And as for, Jim Bob, fuck him. Fuck him and the culture he has implemented where his first born son’s had to discover sex by fondling his sisters because any other way would send them to hell, then tell his son he’s been forgiven after his sisters had to endure 3 years and 16 months for any resolution and justice that has still escaped them. Fuck Jim Bob for hearing Josh tell him THREE times “hey, I’m touching my sisters while they’re sleeping, you wanna like, do something?” and still keeping Josh in the house only, and only until, Josh tried to finger bang the babysitter, leaving Jim Bob no choice but to act. And by “act”, I mean do everything he could with his law enforcement and political connections to attempt to make sure this never saw the light of day. Fuck Jim Bob for repeatedly emphasizing ad nauseum that the abuse happened “while the girls were sleeping” to imply that made it less horrific because the girls didn’t know. Fuck Jim Bob for playing the Christian persecution card by saying the real tragedy here a liberal agenda and the police department who leaking sealed juvenile records (sidenote: Fox News being outraged by someone posting juvenile records is irony you can choke on. Man, good thing Trayvon Martin wasn’t a pedophile) Fuck Jim Bob for saying “this has all been taken care of year ago” meaning, “Josh won’t be put in jail, so no harm done.” Fuck Jim Bob for not calling Josh a pedophile because of a legal technicality (Josh was a 15, a pedophile has to be 15), but a transgendered man shouldn’t be allowed in a bathroom to piss because he’ll rape your children. Fuck Jim Bob and all Christian hypocrisy that doesn’t require them to be perfect but they require you to be. Fuck Jim Bob for saying God has forgiven Josh. How do you know? Seriously, like how the fuck do you know? And what would they have done if a neighbor molested their daughters? What would they have done if Josh had been molested? Would they have let the statute of limitations run out? Would they have asked God’s grace and asked mercy for Josh’s abuser? You don’t have to answer these because they’re all rhetorical. Oh, before I forget. Jessa, if you’re allowed to read this. Call me, girl.

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    Edited -- apparently there were several posts in between the one to which I'd replied with agreement ("what if it was a stranger?") and I didn't see those until after the quick reply. Deleted "I agree and wonder what he'd have done if it were the brothers? There is such a double standard underlying that movement" because it would not have made sense as a post following DeChayz' post.

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    I have some FB friends who are so up in arms about the "war against Christianity" and cite this as one more way the "lefty liberals" are being intolerant of people of the Christian faith. They say that if the same things were said about any other religion that are said about Christianity, there would be tolerance shown. They also are talking about people being murdered for being Christian around the world and that the US is a Christian nation and we have forgotten that.

    It is seriously driving me nuts. I've just started hiding posts. I guess I am one of those "lefty liberals" -- I don't understand how it is OK for people to hate and discriminate, but we're supposed to be OK with it because it is their religion. I don't understand how someone can commit a crime, but if they've begged for forgiveness from God we're supposed to be OK with that. Apparently, my intolerance of intolerance makes me a giant hypocrite.

    I can't wrap my head around how anyone can be OK with this, and be OK with this family. Live and let live…but if someone is being hurt, that is not OK.

    A woman I work with was fired for bullying. She formed this mean girls clique and was so horrible to those she worked with it was unbelievable. Openly hostile. Created a horrible work environment. After years of nothing being done they were finally able to do something about it. This woman proclaims she is a Christian. She will post all this stuff on her FB wall about kindness. Obviously, she thought nothing of intimidating and hurting her co-workers. But, I'm supposed to be OK with this behavior if she has received God's forgiveness? I don't get it. I'll stay intolerant of intolerance, even if it makes me a hypocrite. Sorry for rambling. I'm just so disgusted by all of this.

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    I think they live in such a bubble that when this happened they had no idea what to do and instead of protecting the girls they just went into damage control mode. I would have had more respect if they had admitted they were in over their head with this and screwed it
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    Quote Originally Posted by exippy View Post
    I think they live in such a bubble that when this happened they had no idea what to do and instead of protecting the girls they just went into damage control mode. I would have had more respect if they had admitted they were in over their head with this and screwed it
    up.
    I'm more inclined to think that its so common around their circles that they think its perfectly normal. Where I live we have had few news stories about local fundamentalist christians who also have tons of kids, and sexual abuse of the children is horrifyingly common in their church. Its the way that they deal with it that actually supports it. If the abuse is found out its always dealt with the church elders, never reported to authorities. Abuser is made to apologize and the victim is forced to "forgive" and is not allowed to bring it up again. Then abuser can go on abusing, no consequences until he gets caught again. The stories that girls who have left the church are horrible, sometimes there is several generations of men abusing girls in the same family - grandfathers, uncles etc. If you speak up, you are branded as troublemaker since you should not speak of it if after you have "forgiven" them. You get punished for speaking, and all community around you belongs to same church, so you either shut up or leave the church and move somewhere else to live.
    People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twitchy2.0 View Post
    "There were a couple of times he came and told us what he had done," Jim Bob Duggar told Kelly of how they found out about Josh's actions. "Again this was not rape or anything like that, it was touching someone over the clothes. There were a couple of times he touched someone under the clothes for a few seconds ."

    five second rule!!!
    So this is really clarifying why it means something is dirty only when it's on the floor (or in DuggarSpeak) over or under the clothes for five or fewer seconds. Glad we've cleared that up. Of course, it makes you wonder if old Jim Bob likes to keep sex under five seconds too. Just to keep it pure and all. Praise the Lord and pass the timer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tulip View Post
    I have some FB friends who are so up in arms about the "war against Christianity" and cite this as one more way the "lefty liberals" are being intolerant of people of the Christian faith. They say that if the same things were said about any other religion that are said about Christianity, there would be tolerance shown. They also are talking about people being murdered for being Christian around the world and that the US is a Christian nation and we have forgotten that.

    It is seriously driving me nuts. I've just started hiding posts. I guess I am one of those "lefty liberals" -- I don't understand how it is OK for people to hate and discriminate, but we're supposed to be OK with it because it is their religion. I don't understand how someone can commit a crime, but if they've begged for forgiveness from God we're supposed to be OK with that. Apparently, my intolerance of intolerance makes me a giant hypocrite.

    I can't wrap my head around how anyone can be OK with this, and be OK with this family. Live and let live…but if someone is being hurt, that is not OK.

    A woman I work with was fired for bullying. She formed this mean girls clique and was so horrible to those she worked with it was unbelievable. Openly hostile. Created a horrible work environment. After years of nothing being done they were finally able to do something about it. This woman proclaims she is a Christian. She will post all this stuff on her FB wall about kindness. Obviously, she thought nothing of intimidating and hurting her co-workers. But, I'm supposed to be OK with this behavior if she has received God's forgiveness? I don't get it. I'll stay intolerant of intolerance, even if it makes me a hypocrite. Sorry for rambling. I'm just so disgusted by all of this.
    I'm a Christian and I feel the same way you do about it. I'm disgusted by people like that!!! Ewww. Thankfully, not all Christians are intolerant bullies or feel like "Oh, everyone is out to get us because we are Christians. Waaaa!!" Trust me. I know the kind of which you speak though and it's infuritating! Unlike the passive kumbayah christians, these bully christians feel superior because they claim to be Christians. They are intolerant, cold, hateful, super religious (and I don't mean truly spiritual...they are religious....there's a difference.)

    I encountered a situation at a church I had attended with some "christian" bullies. Hateful bitches, I tell ya! Yet they were at church everytime the door was open. Doing all this goody goody "volunteer" work, etc., not to truly help the needy, but to post it all over FB so they will "look good". Yet were sneaky, manipulative, vicious and no more "Christian" than this chair I'm sitting in. Hell, the chair I'm sitting in has more integrity than they do. YET, when I stopped hanging around them and unfriended/blocked them on FB, (because they were stalking my posts) they played the "victim" and told everyone that I'm being "unloving" and "think I'm better than they are". See what they did there? Twisted what the Bible says to fit their own agenda.

    Sadly, there are many "christians" who think it's all good and settled because they go to church. They need to open up their Bibles and read Matthew 7: 15-23 where Jesus said:

    "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.By their fruit you will recognize them.... Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"

    Jesus will be all like "BOOM!"

    Tulip, I'm glad that hateful bitch at your job got fired!!
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