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    A big part of this is education. Kids should be educated on puberty and sex honest without the religious crap. Homeschooling is another problem, although with some children is can be beneficiary, it is more an exception then a rule.
    Are these kids given test yearly? Like in an independent environment?

    In this case, I cannot see how a family can have 19 kids (and homeschooling them) without neglecting their emotional needs except if they have staff taking care of the education, cooking, cleaning,....
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    I just found this:
    Josh Duggar Scandal: Michael Seewald Writes Blog Post Reaction : People.com
    Jessa Duggar's Father-in-Law, Michael Seewald, Pens Essay in Wake of Josh Duggar Molestation Scandal: 'I'm Rooting for You'
    Josh Duggar has received the support of his sister Jessa's father-in-law after reports resurfaced this week that Duggar molested five underage girls 12 years ago.

    Michael Seewald – the father of Jessa's husband Ben Seewald, 20, and six other children – posted an essay titled "Grace Greater Than Our Sin" to his family's blog Sunday, explaining why he is rallying around his family members and forgiving Duggar for his actions.

    "It pains me to see that they are now having to relive the nightmare that had been laid to rest well over a decade ago with Josh's repentance and reformation," Seewald wrote, "but I feel compelled to bring some context and reason to the bloodletting that many are engaging in and to come to the aid of our dear friends and family."

    Seewald went on to explain in more than 2,000 words why Duggar should not punish himself forever and that the victims involved should "not be lost in all of this."

    "Sadly, this type of thing is all too common. Victims of sexual abuse of any kind often suffer greatly for many years as a result of these sins," Seewald said. "We should not downplay the seriousness of these offenses particularly, nor gloss over the pain and confusion they often bring, sometimes for a lifetime."

    While some fans have criticized Duggar's parents, Jim Bob and Michelle, in the aftermath of the molestation scandal for not publicly disclosing the situation sooner, Seewald said that they are also not to blame and acted as "godly parents should."

    "How many of you would broadcast the sins of your children to the whole world? Would you be willing to publicize your own darkest moments?" Seewald, a devout Christian, asked in the blog post.

    "Yes, we should constantly be learning and growing as parents and change when we see a better way, yet no parenting method is without flaw. The heart of the matter is do you have a good relationship with your children? From my perspective, this is where Jim Bob and Michelle excel."

    The father of seven also detailed his beliefs that all humans are sinners, and Josh "sinned because like all of us he is a sinner." He encouraged Duggar to "hang in there."

    " ... the shame you feel is legitimate, yet Jesus took your shame as he was punished in your place," he said. "Rest in his forgiveness and grace. Remember that he gives you his righteousness as a covering for your shame," he said.

    "Let this trial in your life build humility and grace. Don't be angry at the world for their hatred of you. Show them through your love for them that it is Jesus Christ that made all the difference in your life. I'm rooting for you."
    WOW! Just WOW! That is how much a daughter in law is worth for this people.
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    JFC, these people are whack jobs. Women are nothing but baby-making machines to them, forgive all the menfolk for whatever they've done and prayers will fix everything!
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    Gag. All these people make me sick.

    Even if any of them had other thoughts, they would not be allowed to express them (not without fear of being ostracized by the larger group). The people in the circle who have remained silent on this are the ones I'm curious about.

    All of this horseshit...supportive comments from other family...has Boob written all over it. He controls the money and who has access. I want to hear from someone close with balls enough to say what they REALLY think!
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    I wonder why the girls keep up with that. They can just leave their family and be free. Selling their adventures into the real world and make money as reality stars on their own terms. Jessa can just say "Bye" and have her baby. Having no family is better then being brainwashed into submission by people like her familymembers.

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    So, it's okay if this guy's daughter is married to a molester. My dad would have yanked me out of there by my hair at the very least. Not this hypocrit. Probably worried that the money is going to dry up.
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    Maybe Jessa is in trouble now because she was damaged goods and not really pure when she married his son.

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    I'm really curious about how TLC pays this family. Does each family member get paid? Or, do Michelle and JimBob get paid and decide what to do with all the $$?

    Also, I think those poor girls have been so brainwashed that they don't see there is any alternative lifestyle for them. They are so massively sheltered and have no friends outside of what their parents have said is okay. It's almost like the Amish that want to leave, where do they go? How do they cope with this big bad world that they have been so removed from. Yes, the Duggars use computers, have electricity, etc. but they are so far removed from "normal" society.

    I think that the parents just failed miserably. They didn't get proper treatment for Josh. They didn't get proper counseling for their daughters. Instead, they "prayed" and sent Josh to work camp for a while. Then he came back and you can guarantee all the girls were suppose to act as though nothing had happened. They treated the victims as 2nd class and the perpetrator as if what he didn't wasn't that big of a deal.

    It's very sad all around. None of the Duggar kids stand much of a chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lofty Bike View Post
    Maybe Jessa is in trouble now because she was damaged goods and not really pure when she married his son.
    You know... That thought entered my head about both the married Duggar girls last night. I don't believe for a second that this was information that their future husbands (or in laws) were made aware of. I still have my doubts as to whether or not Josh's wife/family really knew the full extent of things prior to, I don't care what they say now.

    This makes me feel really horrible for the girls because I know of the type of fucked up thinking more people in this part of the country (especially the more religious) have when it comes to women. There is no way Boob was sharing any info that his girls were victims of something like this if he could get away with it.

    This sucks for both married girls, one currently pregnant and one post-partum. This can't not be affecting their relationships with their husbands/husbands' families. I hope they are getting the support and love from their husbands that they deserve. I've read rumors on that FJ site this particular father-in-law was not fond of Boob. But it sure seems like he's towing the line here.

    And naturally, it's all about taking up for the man/boy. Not jack shit about the girls. For all we know, this dad-in-law is "pissed" that his boy was sold damaged goods. I truly hope that isn't the mentality here, but I'm not optimistic.
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    yet Jesus took your shame as he was punished in your place,"
    Would that stand up in court? Like "your honour I did feel shame over my actions but it's all cool because Jesus has already been punished in my place". Then I get to walk free!
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    Try it, and get back with us.
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    The Duggars’ dangerous cult of purity
    What they preached was never right



    Josh Dugggar speaks at the Arkansas state Capitol in August 2014. (Danny Johnston/AP)By Alexandra Petri

    May 22, 2015


    In “A Love That Multiplies,” Michelle Duggar recounts a story that her husband told his older children “to explain the importance of purity.”

    “Imagine that your parents are going to surprise you and give you a brand-new bike for Christmas. Two weeks before Christmas, they buy your bike and hide it in the storage shed in the backyard. But then the boy next door sneaks into the shed and borrows your new bike; he stunt-rides it up and down the back alley.



    The Duggar family in 2009 pose on the steps of the Capitol. (Courtesy of TLC)

    “On Christmas morning your parents lead you out to the shed to reveal the special gift they bought for you, and as they open the door and say, ‘Surprise!’ they’re just as surprised as you are. You’re all shocked to see that the bike looks like it’s been thrown off a cliff. The front fender is missing, and the front tire is warped so it rubs on the frame. It’s dirty, the paint is all scratched and chipped, and the seat has a big rip in it. It looks worse than something you would have bought at a garage sale.

    “I’m sure you would still be grateful for the bike, and you would have fun riding it, but it won’t be in the condition your parents had hoped and dreamed it would be when you received it. You would miss out on a lot of the enjoyment they meant for you to have.
    “In that same way, we don’t want any boy (or girl) to come and steal your purity.”

    Note the emphasis: The onus to protect your purity is on you. If someone steals your purity, you are a ruined bicycle with warped tires and a ripped seat. Your value has been stolen. Your parents’ dreams are ruined. You are used and cheap and valueless.
    This is a horrible thing to tell anyone.

    But hearing this story now, knowing that Duggar son Josh has apologized amid allegations that he molested several young girls as a minor, is especially sickening.
    And it’s not the only thing Jim Bob preached. Michelle writes on:

    “Another story Jim Bob shares starts with a disgusting image: ‘What if we were at a meeting with about one hundred other people and the speaker asked that a large cup be passed around and that everyone spit in the cup? What if you happened to be all the way in the back – the last person on the last row – and when the cup finally came to you the speaker asked you to drink out of the cup? What would you do?’

    … “That’s what it’s like if you have intimate physical relations with several partners. Physical relations outside marriage promote venereal disease, cervical cancer, and a host of other problems.
    “God can forgive any wrong choices a person is willing to confess and forsake, but there are still painful consequences to be endured.”


    Certainly for the person who now thinks of him- or herself as a cup full of spit.

    And that’s just scratching the surface. The Duggars built their brand on a slavish dedication to ideals of modesty and purity, keeping their children away from Unwholesome Influences, even to the point of shouting “Nike!” when the family was out for a walk in the presence of a woman who was immodestly attired, in order to get them to stare at their shoes. Women must be “modest” and “godly” and pure to attract a godly man. This is where their value lies. Chaperones! Courtship! Side-hugs only! Even hand-holding is off the table.

    The revelation of Josh Duggar’s molestation allegations is about more than hypocrisy. This is no occasion for glee. This is a reminder of how badly the cult of purity lets victims down.

    “Once you open the door to being alone and enter into a physical relationship before marriage (kissing, touching, physical intimacy), you are allowing your partner to unwrap a precious, special gift that God intended you to hold on to until your wedding day, and you’re also creating a lot of guilt and distrust, and you won’t be able to fully enjoy the pleasure of the sin because of all the guilt it brings.”

    –the eldest four Duggar daughters in “Growing Up Duggar: It’s All About Relationships”

    Elizabeth Smart has spoken eloquently about this. She, too, grew up “in a religious household where I was taught that sex only happened between a married man and a woman. After that rape, I felt so dirty … can you imagine going back into a society where you are no longer of value? Where you are no longer as good as anybody else?” A teacher had likened women to chewed pieces of gum, and the image stuck with her. “I thought, ‘Oh my gosh, I’m that chewed up piece of gum, nobody re-chews a piece of gum. You throw it away.’ And that’s how easy it is to feel like you no longer have worth, you no longer have value. Why would it even be worth screaming out? Why would it even make a difference if you are rescued? Your life still has no value.” When a woman’s value lies in her purity, victims are victimized twice.

    But it’s more than that. When all sexuality is a sin, when even holding hands is off limits, there isn’t a clear line between permissible, healthy forms of exploration and acts that are impermissible to anyone, not just the particularly devout. This gospel of shame and purity has the potential to be incredibly harmful because it does away with important lines. (Studies not only suggest that abstinence-only approaches to sex education do nothing to decrease the incidence of sexual behaviors, but also that they can make them riskier and that they deprive kids of the vocabulary they need to discuss when bad things happen.)

    Patheos blogger Libby Anne writes, “Handling child molestation as ‘sin’ rather than addressing the psychology behind it is a serious problem. In their statements to People, the Duggars spoke of Josh’s past wrongdoing as ‘past teenage mistakes’ and spoke of growing closer to God through it. But it appears that Josh never had legitimate counseling or treatment to work through his problem. Some sexual things are normal for a teen to do — say, masturbating — but other sexual things are not typical behavior — say, molesting children — and those things need to be addressed professionally rather than simply as ‘sin’ issues. Failing to do so places other children at risk.” (The whole post is worth a read.)

    Kay Steiger at ThinkProgress also put it well: When you treat this as a sin instead of a crime, you let everyone down. “Such a message can leave children confused about what is actually harmful behavior and what is merely something of which his or her religion does not approve. There is also evidence that using accurate medical terms to educate children in an age-appropriate way can be effective at allowing children to report abuse when it happens to them.”

    The behavior alleged was a crime, not a sin.

    The account of what happened and how it was handled — failing to report the incidents promptly to authorities? No consequences besides a stern talk from a cop and a few months of remodeling a house with a family friend? The whole thing shoved under the rug? – is painful to read.

    Now the Duggars are off the air. But we need to start pushing back against these ideas, too. There is a line between normal and harmful forms of exploration. You are more than your purity. And people are not bicycles or cups full of spit.
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    ^^^This.


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    Congratulations.

    You may now side-hug your intended.
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