Ashlee Simpson before surgery with plumped-up lips, fake hair and no make-up - Page 5

NHKMM · May 21st, 2007, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tictac

And don't forget, it will never look pretty because it's not real!

Since when did the schnoz become the window to the soul anyway?

Exactly.

My mom has had a (fantastic) nose job when she was 15 (they removed an awful bump from the bridge) - and let me tell you, what a HELL of an improvement it was. From a strange looking teenager - it made her absolutely stunning. And she's the same person and her face is just as unique - but much prettier.

phishtickie · May 22nd, 2007, 04:14 AM

NHKMM, the difference here is that you've always been positively vocal towards PS and you haven't tried to convince anyone that you loooooove yourself and you respect yourself and you rock what you've got, while Asslee did try and is STILL trying to sell that shit like there's no tomorrow, and I have a problem with that. Like it or not, she affects young kids and those are going to be confused and they're gonna think that PS has anything to do with loving yourself or respecting yourself. I mean, fundamentally it doesn't. It means you have a SERIOUS problem with a body part, so serious that you would have a severe aggressive surgery to change it. I mean, we all have our insecurities, it's human, but I would be too scared to get myself cut and broken and hurt just to alter my appearance. It would just not happen. The mere thought scares and repulses me.

Some people thought her nose was not that good and some people thought she looked cuter with her real nose... There's always differences of opinion when it comes to someone else's looks. I can look at a woman that most think is the most gorgeous woman ever and be completely bored. Does that mean that we should all strive to look good to EVERYONE? It will NEVER happen. Asslee looks bad to me right now, should she keep on cutting until everyone is pleased? Not realistic.
And yes, I think PS has to do with lack of self esteem to varying degrees. I can't imagine what else would motivate someone to get SURGERY, for crying out loud, when most people are scared to get surgery even when they're sick. But I, as opposed to a few people, have absolutely no faith in PS giving you self-esteem. You think Asslee looks happy now? You think she will stip having PS just because she's already done shitloads and she should be happy?? NO, she will NEVER stop having PS. And that is just pathetic. And as for the little people who can't afford, like her, to tweak and cut and paste every year, those people will always be miserable thinking, if ONLY they could afford that second nose job to fix the things that went wrong with the first one!... If only they could afford to fix their capsular contraction!... THEN they would be happy

Yeah, right.

Lily · May 22nd, 2007, 07:03 AM

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but it would make a hell of a difference for the better - so why not?

For the better? Really? Um, okay. If I changed my nose in anyway I wouldn't be myself. (I am also a vocalist, so rhinoplasty is a HUGE no-no.) My nose is not ugly---but it would be considered that way by people on this board. I prefer to accept myself and all my "flaws" (or perceived flaws) instead of altering my appearance to be viewed as conventionally pretty.

That's just me. It's your face, you do what you want with it. When I die, I want to have my own face, even if that means that people on a message board thought I was "ugly."

NHKMM · May 22nd, 2007, 07:33 AM

I'm a "vocalist" too. And the nose job will only help for my singing voice. The "no nose job for a singer" rubbish is SUCH a myth. Get a good surgeon and you'll keep your voice.

Lily · May 22nd, 2007, 08:19 AM

^It's not a myth. They can't guarantee that your voice will not be changed or altered after rhinoplasty.

But I don't want a "good surgeon." I don't want a fake nose. I want my own face, and my own nose. So what if it's unconventional? I think that's an asset, not a liability.

As for Ashlee, she's a hypocrite and her face is made of plastic. I'm going to enjoy watch it slowly shift and melt.

Perilita · May 22nd, 2007, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Lily

For the better? Really? Um, okay. If I changed my nose in anyway I wouldn't be myself. (I am also a vocalist, so rhinoplasty is a HUGE no-no.) My nose is not ugly---but it would be considered that way by people on this board. I prefer to accept myself and all my "flaws" (or perceived flaws) instead of altering my appearance to be viewed as conventionally pretty.

That's just me. It's your face, you do what you want with it. When I die, I want to have my own face, even if that means that people on a message board thought I was "ugly."

Ditto!!! And guess what, I sing too!

A whole lotta of vocalists here!
My nose fits my face and it really does give me character. It has a nice shape, but is rather long (by some standards) when u look at it in profile.But hey, thats the price you pay for being aristocratic!

waikiki · May 22nd, 2007, 01:37 PM

I think we're all talking about different things. People get nose jobs (and not only) every day. IMO, I think this is such an invasive and dangerous procedure to have it done for caprice, vanity, or because we are bored to see always our same face/body! Surgery takes risks, money, efforts and, obviously, the good result is not guarantee.

Anyway, I think that if people want to ask for 2 noses and 3 boobs, well... why not? Everybody is free.
If you noticed, none has much to say on celebs who go under the knife. But the disfavour for Ashlee Simpson is strong and still 100% alive because she's been claiming all life long that she wasn't really into the easy-plastic-world.

She letf interviews persuading girls to feel free and to love what they see in the mirror every day. On her website there's this ridiculous paper (ON HER PERSONAL OFFICIAL WEBSITE! I MEAN, THAT DO IS TRASHING YOURSELF!):

What's wrong with that? Nothing, actually.
But there are young girls who tend to believe and follow what a fucking Ashlee Simpson says, there are teens who think "she did that, that's easy then", and others who are like "why didn't she tell everybody?? I feel like I don't understand what she's talked about all her life!".

She basically didn't do anything wrong, it's just how she handled the issue. She should have been like: "My sis, shes hot. Im a duck, or at least thats how I feel. So Im gonna get a plastic nose one day because everybody in the showbiz does that. This is my world. To sell more I've to do that."

That would have sounded perfectly logical. And none could have told her A THING.

Lily · May 22nd, 2007, 02:32 PM

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She should have been like: "My sis, shes hot. Im a duck, or at least thats how I feel. So Im gonna get a plastic nose one day because everybody in the showbiz does that. This is my world. To sell more I've to do that."

Well, that's exactly my biggest problem with her. Even if I think PS is stupid, I would defend with my life the right for someone to choose it!

She talks out of both sides of her mouth. And if--even now--she just admitted "Look, I thought I could accept myself but I couldn't and I meant what I said when I said it but then I couldn't live it" or something. What the hell am I talking about?

*falls over in exhaustion and confusion*

NHKMM · May 22nd, 2007, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Lily

But I don't want a "good surgeon." I don't want a fake nose. I want my own face, and my own nose. So what if it's unconventional? I think that's an asset, not a liability.

So enjoy your REAL nose. I'll enjoy my FAKE FAKE FAKE, gorgeous one. Anything wrong with that?

Lily · May 22nd, 2007, 04:53 PM

^Whatever. My self-esteem is just fine and I don't need to spend money to boost it.

We're back to talking about Ashlee, if that's okay with you.

*EYE ROLL*

phishtickie · May 22nd, 2007, 05:34 PM

Actually, I would never in a million years risk having a nose job if I were a truly talented singer. I mean, the risk is definately NOT worth it for me. What IF you end up screwing up your skills? Then what are you left with? A generic, plastic little nose? I don't think it's worth it. But then again I appreciate talent more than looks in singers, above and beyond anything else they have to be talented. Who cares what their nose looks like or if they have big breasts or not.

NHKMM · May 23rd, 2007, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by phishtickie

Actually, I would never in a million years risk having a nose job if I were a truly talented singer. I mean, the risk is definately NOT worth it for me. What IF you end up screwing up your skills? Then what are you left with? A generic, plastic little nose? I don't think it's worth it. But then again I appreciate talent more than looks in singers, above and beyond anything else they have to be talented. Who cares what their nose looks like or if they have big breasts or not.

I can't breathe through my nose. The seuptum is COMPLETELY fucked up. It makes singing very difficult and takes away a lot from my voice quality. So please, don't teach me about singing and nose job - I know enough trained singers who have had ones and their voices either haven't changed at all - or improved - if we want famous cases....take Ofra Haza's case - one, if not THE, most beautiful voice in the 20th century.

And I'm not going to get a "generic, plastic little nose" and most people who get nose jobs don't get this kind of nose either. You don't need to blow things out of proportion to prove a point. I'm simply removing a bump and fixing the septum.

NHKMM · May 23rd, 2007, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Lily

^Whatever. My self-esteem is just fine and I don't need to spend money to boost it.

We're back to talking about Ashlee, if that's okay with you.

*EYE ROLL*

How mature. And I doubt your self esteem is so good, if you keep claiming it all the time.

phishtickie · May 23rd, 2007, 06:01 AM

I'm not blowing anything out of proportion or trying to "teach" you anything, I'm just saying it is a clear risk. No one knows what happens when they get a nose job. You never know what it will look like after the swelling goes down, and people are very often disappointed. I've seen lopsided nosejobs before. I mean, it's just a fact that it's not a guaranteed one hundred percent result, and you never know what happens until months after the surgery. So yeah, I believe it could very easily make things worse and necessitate more surgery to fix the results of the first one. I mean, it's a fact that that happens often isn't it? And I'm not referring to YOU specifically when I post, it's a general discussion. It is also fact that a lot of people get nosejobs because they want a more generic nose and I find that boring. I can understand if a nose if extremely ugly and huge, but not in Ashlee's case. It was just normal.

NHKMM · May 23rd, 2007, 08:36 AM

^But the majority of people who get a nose job are satisfied and DO feel better about themselves. Most nose jobs ARE an improvement. And I think Ashlee's nose was absolutely awful - so it's a matter of taste

And you don't need an awful/huge nose do make your face look bad - it's enough that the nose doesn't fit your face, stand out too much and make you look much worse.