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    Question I need some remodeling advice!

    Here's the deal:

    We moved into a house 6 weeks ago that needs some major remodeling. We will be doing a little bit at a time, as our finances permit.
    The house is a contemporary, built in the mid-1970s.
    First thing we will be doing is the kitchen. Next will be the master bathroom.
    The kitchen is very dated (original appliances have never been replaced! not enough cabinet space, etc). The only way to expand the kitchen is to expand it into the formal dining room, thus eliminating the formal dining room. To me, this is not a big deal, but I am concerned about if we ever go to sell the house. On the one hand, I know ppl want large, nice kitchens, but which is more important? A large kitchen more important or a formal dining area?

    Similar thing with the master bathroom ~ we want to get rid of the bathtub so that we can do a nice big shower. I am not a bathtub person, so again, I'd like to know how other ppl view this.

    So here are my questions:
    Would you buy a house that didn't have a formal dining room?
    Would you buy a house that didn't have a bathtub in the master bath?

    Thanks in advance for your input!

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    i don't think getting rid of the formal dining room is a big deal. i think people have gotten used to nice, big open kitchens that include the dining area.

    the tub might be a bit more of a problem though. at the same time, if you buy a house, it's to enjoy it and so that it fits your needs. do you see yourself living there for a long time? or, realistically, do you think you will sell it in not too many years and buy another place?
    if you're going to be there a long time, then go for it and get your big shower.
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    Oh you gotta find a way to get a bath tub in the master bathroom. Is it just too crowded? If you do a shower make sure it is huge with mutliple heads and some sort of benches.
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    i prefer an open plan kitchen with an island or a kitchen table.

    here's an example of a smaller open kitchen:






    as for the bathroom, i like sputnik's suggestion.

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    Just about everyone now wants an open concept kitchen. I would go for that over a formal dining room anyday.
    A giant shower seems to be the ticket,too. Like JKM says-lots of spray nozzels,bench. Still,people do enjoy baths-so if you have a second bathroom with tub(for resell,to people with kids) then junk the master tub.
    I am considering removing the tub in my Mother's room. She can only take showers-the tub is just too dangerous for her. While at the casino,I noticed the bathroom had a even with the floor shower. No step up at all,no glass door. Just a simple cloth curtain,not even a liner. Then recently at a hospital,same thing. The hospital one was exactly the size of a bathtub. Seemed really cool looking,too. I am going to look into that for her room here. You could use any kind of curtain,but when pulled over,the whole room seems much bigger. One more thing-no glass door to have to keep clean.
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    I agree with the above posters: open kitchen including dining area over formal dining. You said your house was contemporary, post modern so it would fit very well with that style. I also like the idea of a hugh shower with all the bells and whistles. There's always the option of a garden tub if you think you need a tub of some variety. Good Luck on your remodel! I love doing stuff like that.

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    It depends on local custom and your lifestyle but I'd say that formal dining rooms are now more or less obsolete. We have one and it sits empty and unused most of the time unless I make a special effort to have family meals or entertain in there and even then we find ourselves gravitating back in the kitchen/family room after about a week. If was going to do a remodelling job I'd be happy to lose the dining room and put the space to better use.

    As for the bathtub, if it's the only bathroom in the house then having a tub is a good idea for re-sale. Families with kids like/need a tub. If it's an ensuite bathroom then a tub isn't so important and it's more about your preference. Some people love a tub, some never use one so a really fuck off shower would be more useful.

    If you are redoing your kitchen and bathroom then spend as much as you dare on really good quality fittings and tile all the walls in the bathroom up to the ceiling. It's not that much more expensive and the finished look is much better for re-sale.
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    yweah.. formal dining = dead. Most people nowadays enjoy an open kitchen (you could put an island where the wall used to be, with some sexy barstools so people can watch you cook and talk) so you get the best of both worlds

    as for the bathroom, think of the resale of the house.. unless you go hog wild with fixtures (multiple showerheads, marble tiles) people will want a tub..
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    I beg of you to pay a little money and have someone do a floor plan for your kitchen. I promise that it will be the best money you spend. It's much easier to work out problems on paper.

    Sunset magazine might be a good place for inspiration for your kitchen. They are great at showing renovations that aren't super expensive and typically skew a bit more modern. I like the open kitchen concept as well. If you have the room, I'd see if you can get your dining table adjacent to the kitchen, perhaps separated by a low wall or island and not in the middle of the open kitchen. Also, if you do a large pantry, your actual kitchen footprint can be a little smaller since you won't need as many cabinets.

    I'd say you'd be fine getting rid of the tub in the master as long as you have a tub in another bathroom.
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    There is another bathroom with a tub in it, so there will be a bathtub in the house.

    I will NEVER use that formal dining room, so it definitely makes more sense to expand the kitchen, as that does seem to be more important than formal dining.

    Abbey ~ we have hired a designer, & she is working on plans for the kitchen remodel, as well as the master bathroom, for the very reason that it is such an important thing, we want to do it right. We just met with her on Monday & she's putting our stuff onto a CAD program, & we'll meet w/her again in a few weeks & see what she's come up with.
    I'm really excited about the remodel, but it's scary at the same time.

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    i'm excited for you too! post pictures of the rooms when they're finished, please!
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    Quote Originally Posted by holly View Post
    There is another bathroom with a tub in it, so there will be a bathtub in the house.

    I will NEVER use that formal dining room, so it definitely makes more sense to expand the kitchen, as that does seem to be more important than formal dining.

    Abbey ~ we have hired a designer, & she is working on plans for the kitchen remodel, as well as the master bathroom, for the very reason that it is such an important thing, we want to do it right. We just met with her on Monday & she's putting our stuff onto a CAD program, & we'll meet w/her again in a few weeks & see what she's come up with.
    I'm really excited about the remodel, but it's scary at the same time.

    Aww, you're a smart cookie! You'll do great. Keep your hard surface floors and cabinets more neutral or basic (since they are the most difficult and $$ to change and you don't want to quickly get tired of them), go nuts and have fun with the paint and accents like the backsplashes (easy to change!). Make sure you get a good lighting plan as well, people always forget how important it is! I prefer to have too much lighting that you can put on a dimmer, than not enough.
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    Re splashbacks: NOT stainless steel! They are a nightmare to keep clean and show every single mark, fingerprint, etc. Be wary of tiles behind the cooktop too as the grout quickly becomes greasy. You can get some funky glass ones that still need a wipe but it's quick and easy or continue your stone benchtops up the wall as I did. They still get greasy but you can't see it! LOL

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    We just bought a house with an open concept layout, and the living room/dining room are combined. I do wish we had a separate formal dining room, and it's something I'll want in our next house. I don't think it's a deal breaker for future buyers in your case, but it might deter some of them. I'd take a larger open kitchen over a tiny kitchen and dining room any day.

    Not having a bathtub in the master would be a deal breaker for me and based on what I've seen from HGTV home shows, many buyers as well. Hell, I've seen them complain about master baths not having double sinks.

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    We are home builders, and we designed our own.
    Open floor plans over dining rooms are the more popular, there are those that still opt for a formal dining room but its not a deal breaker for resale in most areas.
    . A spa tub and seperate shower is the way to go if possible. People are looking for bathrooms that are more of a retreat., double sink, water room, seperate shower are pluses for resale. If you dont have the room a tub in another bathroom would be a must.
    Glass tiles for backsplashes are hot right now. We went with earth tones and earth tone granite which is what most are looking for. Stainless is huge b ut yes, very messy. Gas stoves and double ovens are popular. Large counter bar area is a plus. Pull out drawers in your seperate pantry area, big selling point. Lighting is REALLY important, crucial in all rooms.
    I understand having a designer but the expense is high, the contractor should have the ablility to give you many options and draw up the plans and make changes if nessesary...
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