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Old October 30th, 2005, 06:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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People recovering from long, debilitating illness, cleansing diets, fasts, or bodybuilders or people who wish to lose weight, assume that you have to eat a lot of protein and animal meats in order to gain weight and build muscle mass, or lose weight without losing muscle mass. They drink protein shakes and think this is healthy. This is simply not true.

Certainly you do need some extra protein, and that can include animal meats, preferably liver because most fasts and cleansing diets are low in vitamin B12, but really all you have to do in order to bulk up is:

1. Eat more calories than your basal metabolic rate.
2. Eat enough fat and carbs to spare your protein for things other than fuel.


Fuel, or glycogen, is the first priority for the body, because without glycogen, which is metabolized and stored by the liver, the brain will die. The brain has to come before everything in the body, naturally!

We get energy from the Kreb's Cycle, which requires fat, protein and carbs together in a good combination. That is the proper fuel mixture, so limiting fats, carbs or protein causes a nightmare for the body because then it has to rob our storehouses of muscle, fat, vitamins and minerals in order to convert things into what it needs.

Carb Energy is so important that both protein and fats will be converted to carbs whenever carbs are in short supply. Thus fats and protein cannot do their main jobs if we eat a low-carb, low-calorie diet.

Fats build and protect cells and scavenge out free radicals, and proteins are the bricks that build muscle, hormones, enzymes, neurotransmitters and immuno responses. When we feel angry, frusrated or joyful - or horny - or kill a virus, it's thanks to a protein. When eating fewer calories than our metabolic needs in order to lose weight it is often a good idea to eat a high-protein diet at least 4 days out of the week.

High-protein, low-fat diets are risky over long periods of time because the digestive by-products of protein digestion and converting fat stores are highly toxic, require minerals for buffering, congest the liver and overwork the kidneys. So unless you're under 30, don't even think about eating a high-protein diet for more than three months at a time, even if you’re O positive blood type.

Because proteins are builders, having too many proteins in the body can clog delicate tissues and prevent them from exiting toxins or receiving the oxygen and nutrients they need. Proteins clog up the cell-sized channels that allow nutrients to go into cells and waste materials to come out, making things stagnant and polluted and eventually cells die.

In Ayurvedic medicine we call foods that build up the body "sweet." They can be sweet in taste or sweet in post-digestive effect. For instance, Honey is both sweet in taste and sweet in post-digestive effect. Meat is not sweet in taste, but it is sweet (building) in post-digestive effect. When it's time to rebuild, it's time to include more sweet foods in your diet. Here's a list:

Wheat, barley, All types of Rice, corn, millet, oats
Nuts and seeds
lentils
Milk, butter cheese
Honey, maple syrup, raw cane sugar
Dates, figs
Licorice Root
Red Clove
Peppermint
Slippery Elm
beef, fish, pork
oils
cucumber
potatoes
bananas, grapes, melons, oranges, peaches, pears, plums


As you can see, many of these foods are alkaline, so you can rebuild and remain alkaline.

The most alkaline way to get perfect protein (perfect protein means every essential amino acid) is to mix grains and legumes at a 4 to 1 ratio, and teeny-tiny portions of meat, or cook the grain/legumes in chicken broth. Snack on nuts.

As an example, make up a batch of basmati rice with green peas (a legume) cooked in chicken broth. Top with two slivers of chicken breast meat and all the veggies you want. Every culture has a meal that follows this principle of perfect protein - paella, couscous, Chinese Fried Rice, Japanese rice bowls or noodle dishes (Ramen) with just a bit of beef teriyaki or shrimp tempura, etc.

It's important to remember that vegetables and grains have protein in them, and that we only need GRAMS of protein a day, not ounces. So you can have grams of protein each day in your servings of veggies and grains, and only have larger portions of chicken, fish, beef or eggs (eggs are perfect protein, nothing beats an egg, and they're more alkaline than most protein sources) about 3-5x a week.

So that you don't clog your digestive systems up again now that's it hopefully nice and clean, be sure to use pungent herbs liberally and to occasionally have whole meals of nothing but fruit or nothing but salad or nothing but sweet potato and fast on digestive teas once a week. Overdosing on grains can be just as problematical for some people who have a small pancreas and an ancestral background that does not include a lot of rice, so be sure to accent veggies more than grains.
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I've never understood the logic of a high protein diet. I always remember my dad, being that he was effectivly a body builder and played elite sport for the Australian Airforce, commenting on how the high protien diets were a load of shit.

Just a point about getting iron and protien from vegetables. You have to have a supplement item to help break it down. While thoes protiens are better for you they are harder for your body to extract them. You must ALWAYS have Vitamin C with any fruit/grain based protien.

In my opinion it is the Iron in most Protiens that is the effective component when it comes to building muscle. While protein will make you feel full for longer it is Iron that carries the oxygen around to your muscles, thus helping your muscles recover from exercise faster, giving you heart a break, making cardio exercise more effective, giving you more energy.

Alot of thoes high protien diests forget about Iron completely. Mainly because most people assume that because they eat red meat they are getting it, however the body doesnt digest red meat's iron that well at all. Infact the only animal based iron/protien that the body can really digest well and break it down easily is fish. Which is why the japanese/chinese lifestyle is so good for you. Salmon is like having a steak, only much better for you.

Handy hints from your local vege(fin)tarian.
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Old October 31st, 2005, 02:17 AM   #3 (permalink)
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the body doesnt digest red meat's iron that well at all. Infact the only animal based iron/protien that the body can really digest well and break it down easily is fish. Salmon is like having a steak, only much better for you.
Wow I didn't know, this is so interesting.
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Old October 31st, 2005, 02:23 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I've never understood the logic of a high protein diet. I always remember my dad, being that he was effectivly a body builder and played elite sport for the Australian Airforce, commenting on how the high protien diets were a load of shit.

Just a point about getting iron and protien from vegetables. You have to have a supplement item to help break it down. While thoes protiens are better for you they are harder for your body to extract them. You must ALWAYS have Vitamin C with any fruit/grain based protien.

In my opinion it is the Iron in most Protiens that is the effective component when it comes to building muscle. While protein will make you feel full for longer it is Iron that carries the oxygen around to your muscles, thus helping your muscles recover from exercise faster, giving you heart a break, making cardio exercise more effective, giving you more energy.

Alot of thoes high protien diests forget about Iron completely. Mainly because most people assume that because they eat red meat they are getting it, however the body doesnt digest red meat's iron that well at all. Infact the only animal based iron/protien that the body can really digest well and break it down easily is fish. Which is why the japanese/chinese lifestyle is so good for you. Salmon is like having a steak, only much better for you.

Handy hints from your local vege(fin)tarian.
The iron in spinach is very difficult to access as well.
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The iron in spinach is very difficult to access as well.
But they say that iron in spinach is just a sort of myth which all started because somebody ages ago instead of writing that spinach have "X" iron wrote "XXX" by mistake, so now they say that spinach don't have more iron than other vegetables, which is very little.
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But they say that iron in spinach is just a sort of myth which all started because somebody ages ago instead of writing that spinach have "X" iron wrote "XXX" by mistake, so now they say that spinach don't have more iron than other vegetables, which is very little.
I know it is low. LIke 6 percent. My husband eats blackstrap molasses with his porridge in the morning. More iron than spinach.
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I heard the iron in spinach myth was developed in WW2 when the Govt wanted to encourage people to eat it to help the War Effort. That's how Popeye started out - propaganda to eat a cheap, plentiful veggie for the masses.
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I think it's safe to say two things:

1- Too much of anything or any diet that only focus one macro nutrient is potentially bad long term.

2 - All bodies respond differently so you have to experiment and take notice to what sort fuel your body runs on best and even then with time (and abuse) that will change as well.

People, unfortunately, think that the only place you can get protein from is animal flesh and we're really not designed to digest large quantities of animal flesh.

Imagine that 12oz porterhouse fermenting in your intestines for a few weeks - mmmmmmmmm YUM.

I do have to partially disagree with the protein shake comment - I will rather often suck down a egg white protein shake in the AM as soon as I get up or after a run and I do so for two reasons, one it gets my metabolism going right in the AM and it's very easy for me to digest. What I will agree with is that most of the commercially available protein powders and drink are full absolute crap.
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Certainly you do need some extra protein, and that can include animal meats, preferably liver because most fasts and cleansing diets are low in vitamin B12, but really all you have to do in order to bulk up is:
Think about what the liver's job is in the body...

still want to eat liver?
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If you soak liver in lemon juice over the night the acid breaks up and degrades the 'toxins' inside it. Of course, you need to throw that lemon juice away.

If you do want to eat liver though (because it is very nutrient dense) I suggset you go organic.
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I will rather often suck down a egg white protein shake in the AM as soon as I get up or after a run and I do so for two reasons, one it gets my metabolism going right in the AM and it's very easy for me to digest.
I've heard many times that egg whites are very healthy proteins, but I just couldn't get myself swallowing a raw egg.
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I've heard many times that egg whites are very healthy proteins, but I just couldn't get myself swallowing a raw egg.

Oh sorry - egg white powder.
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If you soak liver in lemon juice over the night the acid breaks up and degrades the 'toxins' inside it. Of course, you need to throw that lemon juice away.

If you do want to eat liver though (because it is very nutrient dense) I suggset you go organic.
Really.
Hmm.
I happen to love liver.
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me too, i only have it sometimes though. you should try it.
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me too, i only have it sometimes though. you should try it.

Just lemon juice, huh? (I got such a lecture once from a chemist I know or well knew)

Too bad that could work when the body still needed that liver...

I know this will gross people out but the taste and texture is fab.
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