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Old October 20th, 2006, 01:38 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I was in 6th grade - and why on earth a bunch of 12 year olds would understand and care about this horrendous crime is beyond me, but we did.


I know what you mean there...I was in 5th grade and we watched it on live tv in our classroom.
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Old October 20th, 2006, 02:09 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Could he face Federal charges or something for 'violating their civil rights' or something like that? Isn't that what happened to the cops who beat Rodney King? The jury in Simi Valley did nothing but they were retried on Federal charges?
I wonder if he did admit it if anything would even be done. All we would need is another racially charged, nationally televised OJ trial. Riots anyone?

I don't know enough about the US system. I know that when he was acquitted on the criminal charges, the families of the victims sued him for civil damages and won $20mil (?) which kinda implied his guilt in the eyes of the civil court but according to previous posts he's never paid them a penny. That's the problem with civil judgments, they are buggers to enforce. His defence lawyer Johnny Cochrane died a while back though so maybe HIS karma came to bite him on the ass.
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Old October 20th, 2006, 08:49 AM   #33 (permalink)
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I first got to the US in 94 and one of the first things I remember is the live feed of OJ driving in his white Bronco with a gun to his head, followed by two million police cars. And then the trial, broadcasted live, too! I thought: What kind of crazy place am I at??? I knew immediately, it was just my kind of country.

Next thing in 95: The Lewinsky Scandal.

Ah, those were the days...
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Old October 20th, 2006, 09:28 AM   #34 (permalink)
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[quote=cynic;419862]......how can someone so stupid have gotten away with a double murder?.....

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Because the jury was even more stupid.
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Old October 20th, 2006, 11:09 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Because, as someone else mentioned, once the defense played the race card it was almost impossible for the jury to convict him. I was in 5th grade, and I remember the threats of rioting, etc if he were to be found guilty. The jurors and presiding judge probably also didn't want themselves and their families to be harrassed by Jesse Jackson for the rest of their lives.
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Old October 20th, 2006, 07:59 PM   #36 (permalink)
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The jurors and presiding judge probably also didn't want themselves and their families to be harrassed by Jesse Jackson for the rest of their lives.
Absolutely Judge Lance Ito (see? I can even remember his name) gave a textbook performance on how NOT to run a trial and allow the defence team to run circles around him and the jury. The prosecution was also a complete shambles. I was not at all surprised when OJ was acquitted.
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Old October 22nd, 2006, 01:27 AM   #37 (permalink)
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Because, as someone else mentioned, once the defense played the race card it was almost impossible for the jury to convict him. I was in 5th grade, and I remember the threats of rioting, etc if he were to be found guilty. The jurors and presiding judge probably also didn't want themselves and their families to be harrassed by Jesse Jackson for the rest of their lives.
You're probably right, and that is so, so sad.
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Old October 22nd, 2006, 02:42 AM   #38 (permalink)
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O J, I loathe that man, race card, kiss my ruby red and black butt, but it worked. Lots of my coworkers felt he was innocent, because he was black, and of course we are often unjustly prosecuted, sometimes I agree with this, BUT everything, their dog, his temperment, the method of murder, his history of domestic violence, his flight by air to-was it Chicago? his actions, just scream out that HE IS GUILTY.
He probably feels she deserved it for leaving him. He is Evil. He just wants to let the world know how happy he is that he got over on this
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Old October 22nd, 2006, 03:43 AM   #39 (permalink)
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If the prosecution hadn't put that doofus cop on the stand who made some vaguely racist remarks that the defence then pounced on and milked for all it was worth I think OJ just might have gone down. Unfortunately the trial happened when the infamous Rodney King Incident was still very fresh in peoples' minds and I agree that the jury was probably terrified of the backlash if they had convicted OJ.

It must be so painful for the families of the victims to see the smug bastard playing golf and having a pretty nice life thank you very much when they know, and we know, He Did It.
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Old October 22nd, 2006, 10:56 AM   #40 (permalink)
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A while ago, on a show (might have been Hard Copy or the like) they had the prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi on, along with two of the O.J. Jurors (both were Black females). Bugliosi went over every piece of damning evidence with the two women, and even with his expert opinion, the two women brushed off every single piece of evidence with the generic "even if there's a shred of doubt we won't convict him" card.

Basically, they cared little about the evidence and how much it pointed towards O.J.'s guilt. From the start those two and the jurors were not going to convict O.J. regardless of how damning the evidence was. I don't think they even considered any possible rioting if they did find him guilty. They just wanted to let the juice off the hook. Mark Fuhrman and the issues with the sampling were just gravy to the jury. Again they weren't going to convict him from the start even if these issues didn't come up, but it only made things 'easier' for them.

The only way the jury would have ever found O.J. guilty is if they personally saw him committing the crimes from video, or any evidence they simply cannot brush off.
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Old October 23rd, 2006, 12:10 AM   #41 (permalink)
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I forgot about the Rodney King Effect, it was going really strong at the time of OJ's trial...good point.
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Old October 24th, 2006, 01:07 PM   #42 (permalink)
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i just saw this today...its a different article then the first one posted..this actually gives details about the book



Blood money row as OJ 'admits' killings

Tony Allen-Mills, New York
ELEVEN years after O J Simpson walked free from America’s most controversial murder trial, the former star athlete is at the centre of a row over reports that he is being paid $3.5m for an autobiography in which he describes how he “hypothetically” might have murdered his ex-wife and her male friend.
Relatives of Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman, the two victims of the 1994 double murder that made headlines around the world, expressed disgust and frustration that Simpson might be continuing to profit from a crime that most Americans are convinced he committed, despite his notorious acquittal.
NI_MPU('middle');“If this is true, that is blood money and it’s evil and disgusting,” said Denise Brown, the sister of Simpson’s former wife who has become a prominent campaigner against domestic violence. “Any company that actually pays him for this is just as bad as he is.”
The book is reported to have the working title If I Did It. Details were published by the National Enquirer newspaper last week on the same day that Goldman’s father, Fred, launched a new court attempt to seize some of Simpson’s assets in part repayment of a $33.5m judgment against him after he lost a 1997 civil court case.
The former American-football star has never paid a cent of the judgment, despite the civil court’s finding that he was responsible for Brown and Goldman’s deaths.
“It is horribly frustrating and at the same time demoralising for Fred Goldman and his family, especially when they read about things like this,” said Jonathan Polak, a lawyer representing Goldman in an attempt to obtain rights to Simpson’s income from selling autographs and appearing at sports celebrity events.
Polak added: “Simpson appears to be attempting to profit not off his football fame, but off the very thing that was so inhuman and that everyone knows he did.”
The National Enquirer’s account could not be verified this weekend but the newspaper provided extensive details in a four-page report on what it called a “tell-all blockbuster”. Simpson is said to describe how he “grabbed a knife from a man who accompanied him to Nicole’s home — and moments later found himself covered in blood and looking down on the bodies of Nicole and Ron”.
The other man is identified only as “Charlie”. No mention of an accomplice or witness emerged at either of Simpson’s trials, but according to the book, “Charlie” had earlier paid Simpson a late-night visit and passed on gossip about Brown and other men, prompting Simpson to “explode” in rage.
“Simpson prefaces these key pages by almost half-heartedly claiming that this part of the book is ‘hypothetical’,” the Enquirer reported. Simpson is said to have written that he stormed around to Brown’s Los Angeles home to confront her. He grabbed a knife he kept in his Ford Bronco car, but “Charlie” snatched it away from him.
According to the Enquirer, the book describes a series of arguments between Simpson, Goldman and Brown. Simpson snatched his knife back from “Charlie” and launched into a “blur” of violence.
When he saw the couple lying dead on the pavement, “OJ says he was in a daze, asking himself who’d done it,” the Enquirer reported. “He was still trying to work out what happened when a terrified Charlie whispered ‘Jesus Christ, OJ, what have you done?’” Simpson’s lawyers made no comment on the allegations last week. Other legal sources said there was no danger that Simpson could be prosecuted again for the crimes — however “hypothetical” his confession — under America’s double jeopardy laws forbidding retrial after acquittal.
Lawyers for Goldman are trying to confirm the book contract, but Polak said Simpson had a long history of hiding his income and pretending to be broke. After the murders he moved to Florida to take advantage of state laws that protect primary homes and pensions from seizure in a civil lawsuit. He owns a $650,000 home in Miami and has a large pension as an ex-National Football League player.
Unable to touch those assets, Goldman and his lawyers last week made a novel attempt to seize Simpson’s rights to his name and image. A California judge indicated she would dismiss the claim on technical grounds, but the case is likely to be appealed. Goldman claims the initial judgment has since climbed to $38m with interest.
For Denise Brown, reports about the book were another painful reminder that the man she regards as her sister’s killer is not only free, but still finding people to listen to him.
“I hear his name, I cringe,” she said. “I just don’t know why people give him airtime, he’s disgusting, he’s despicable, he’s the devil as far as I’m concerned. He murdered two people and he didn’t get a year of time.” Brown said the only reason she was still prepared to talk publicly about Simpson was because of her work for the Nicole Brown Foundation, which teaches awareness of domestic violence. “The only good side to all this is that every time he speaks, we get our word out there as well,” she said.""

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i just can not believe hes getting away with this
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Old October 24th, 2006, 01:30 PM   #43 (permalink)
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The black people who cheered when he was found Not Guilty are beyond foolish. It's like they think it's payback to whitey for all the times black people have been unfairly charged, prosecuted, and incarcerated. They couldn't be more wrong. In fact, they just played into the whole bias that favors the rich and famous. Had OJ been a janitor or even a no-name accountant he would be in prison now. His acquittal may have been a victory for the rich and famous, but that's it and it has never served to benefit black people. Do these people honestly believe that your average black man or woman will have more fair treatment because OJ got off? Besides, when is the last time anyone saw OJ with a black woman? All these black women who were cheering for him must not have stopped to realize that he wouldn't touch any of them with a 10 foot pole. Once he got wealthy and famous he was all about being part of the country club set and dating nothing but white chicks.
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Old October 25th, 2006, 08:59 AM   #44 (permalink)
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I don't really think it was a "black" thing. I think it was a "celebrity" thing. Just like the middle-aged white women who didn't think Martha Stewart should have gone to jail.

We identify with celebrities and get into a twisted mindset that the celebrities to who we are similar (color, gender, ethnic background, etc.), we support beyond all reason.

Just read some of the threads on this site where folks get downright rabid if you say something against their favorite "star."
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I don't really think it was a "black" thing. I think it was a "celebrity" thing. Just like the middle-aged white women who didn't think Martha Stewart should have gone to jail.

We identify with celebrities and get into a twisted mindset that the celebrities to who we are similar (color, gender, ethnic background, etc.), we support beyond all reason.

Just read some of the threads on this site where folks get downright rabid if you say something against their favorite "star."
I agree. If it wasn't OJ involved and just another black person there would have been no media attention or all this mess. When have celebrities, when judged by their jury peers, ever been convicted of hard time or serious punishment?
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