Isaiah Washington returns to TV; to star in NBC action drama

[cataroo]

Originally Posted by Grimmlok

another show i wont be watching now.

My thoughts EXACTLY!

[Grimmlok]

Originally Posted by kingcap72

I see the point that you're trying to make, but the reason why the black and jewish lobby, as you put it, hold more sway is because the words nigger and kike have historically been around far longer and both groups have been battling for rights longer than gays have.

And, true, while you have militant blacks and jews who shoot their mouths off, you also have militant gays like Rosie O'Donnell who shoot their mouths off too.

Now I'm not trying to make it into a which group has suffered more debate. But like RIS said if gays want to have the same impact when it comes to the word faggot then they have to step up and let their voices be heard a lot more. But like blacks and jews you have to use the power of the dollar and boycott to get your point across. Back during the 60's blacks were united, for the most part, in large numbers and went after our civil rights. Gays have to follow suit.

Oh we are, gay dollars are starting to be quite sought after.. we also have the power to throw an election by about 5%, AND we have way more capital to spend on average

[kingcap72]

Originally Posted by Grimmlok

Oh we are, gay dollars are starting to be quite sought after.. we also have the power to throw an election by about 5%, AND we have way more capital to spend on average

But you have to use that clout in cases like Isaiah Washington. For example, if Isaiah were white and T.R. were black and he had used a racial slur, blacks would have been boycotting ABC and probably their advertisers until he got fired. That's what gays should have done, and ABC and their advertisers would have taken notice.

That's what got Don Imus fired. It had nothing to do with his comments or Al Sharpton, but more to do with the fact that advertisers were pulling out and were afraid of their products being boycotted.

[Grimmlok]

We've done it with Ford, Wal-Mart, and even Microsuck.. unfortunately with TV the right-wing hate groups have more sway.. Focus on the Family, Concerned women of america, all those televangelist assholes.

[kingcap72]

Didn't know all of that. Well, I guess you just have to keep trying until you gain more clout in tv. It pisses me off, that a lot of blacks are forgetting that we even have that clout.

[RevellingInSane]

KC- Blacks have quite a bit of clout. It is just as you said, many forget we have it. If blacks came together as a united front, even though outnumbered by latinos as the largest minority group, the numbers indicate blacks still have more pull financially. We even discussed this at length in one of my humanity classes.

Speaking of United fronts, yes, gays will have to look at the civil rights movements and take some cues. Blacks and women had to go through hell to fight for what they wanted. These two groups had no closets to hide in, so they had to march forward with great determination and take every obstacle they met, including death.

As long as fear and the option to hide exists, the gay voice will not be as strong as it could.

[Rianam]

With all due respect, gays will have a more difficult time than ethnic minoritiies for the simple reason that we are either treated as though we have a pyscological problem, or we're making a choice. Something women and black people do not have to deal with.

[kingcap72]

RIS- I agree with everything you just said.

Rianam - While I see what you're saying, I don't really think you can say gays will have a more difficult time than blacks or women getting civil rights. While gays may be seen as 'making a choice', blacks and women were seen as just being genetically inferior and not deserving of basic civil rights.

I mean, blacks had to endure fire hoses, lynchings, police dogs, and worse to earn basic rights to vote, attend certain schools, etc. Gays aren't going after those kinds of basic human rights, because they already have them, with the exception of marriage.

[Grimmlok]

But blacks could marry, have kids without 'moral' issues, join the army, and any other number of things.

Somethings gays can do now that blacks couldnt back then, and some things blacks can do now that gays couldn't and still can't.

Funny how it ends up like that.

[kingcap72]

Yeah, except blacks could only marry each other, we weren't allowed to marry whites because that was considered a mortal sin by some.
But you're right, it is funny how things do almost come full circle.

[Rianam]

I'm familiar with the civil rights struggle - for women and blacks. I just don't think we need to do blacks v. gays as far as discrimination goes, because I think it's apples and oranges. I resent it when anyone thinks gays can hide. At least your discrimination isn't dismissed by saying all you need is a "real man to f*ck you"

[Grimmlok]

um, *i* need a real man to fuck me

[kingcap72]

It's not really a blacks vs. gays to see who went through more. But when you say that it's more difficult for gays to gain civil rights than it is/was for blacks and women then you're kind of treading into that territory.

And our discrimination often gets dismissed by people. True, they don't tell us to get fucked, but it still gets dismissed.

[Rianam]

Grimm

[msdeb]

dunno if i can watch this. there is only ONE Bionic Woman.