Isaiah Washington: "I was fired because of racism"

[Grimmlok]

oh come on, Bush is adept at so many things.. mostly failure and lying related..

[kingcap72]

Originally Posted by mamaste

By denying those experiences and that reality, we actually do nothing to help race relations. I don't think it's fair to pretend that everything is okay for everyone. It's like sexism or homophobia. Would you say the same thing to a woman or gay person? It happens to us/them as well.

As for what I wrote, I said I would wonder. The thought would cross my mind, but I'm not calling the press or anything. I understand how he feels although I don't condone his actions.

Anyway, what has Shonda Grimes said about all of this? Although I don't think he blames her since she wasn't the one to fire him.

Who's talking about denying the experiences? And things are better, but far from okay. Yes, black people should never forget slavery, the civil rights struggle, lynchings, etc. But remembering those things is one thing, but defining your life by those things, or worse yet, using them as a crutch to justify your behavior is an insult to those people who suffered through those experiences. And the same holds true for women, gays & other minority groups.

And I would agree with Isaiah if it wasn't for the fact that he got fired due to his own actions. Race didn't play a part in it. Isaiah used a slur on the job, and then again in public, which is what cost him his job. And he knows that too, but he wants to play the victim card. Now, had the shoe been on the other foot, and T.R. Knight had used a racial slur against Isaiah, then T.R. should have been fired. What's fair is fair.

As far as Shonda goes, I think his little plantation and other comments were directed at her. I mean, why else would he say it? He probably felt that since she was black she should have gone to the mat for him. But Isaiah has to realize that sometimes color isn't always thicker than water. And nobody's going to throw themselves under the bus for you when they know you're wrong.

[RevellingInSane]

I am mixed, female, and have been around the gay lifestyle forever and a day.

No one should forget the struggles of those before them. We should all remember what we came from. This mentality is not to be used to defend thuggish actions.

I do feel IW got the short end of the stick. Dempsey's outbursts and bullying were in the media long before IW did this. Dempsey's ass should have been fired, too. Pompeo and Heigl should have been next, as their tantrums are just as publicized. I am an equal opportunist. If I were running the show, no pun intended, and anyone had the testicles or ovaries to get out of line and power trip, my size none-of-your-business boot clad foot would be so far up their asses, they would be licking my toenails. Bullshit is bullshit.

ABC bounced IW, but Heigl can go on public tirades against the workplace? Hell no, not where I come from. Little Miss Was Nobody and soon to be Has Been was just as negatively vocal about the show. What Washington did was on a closed set and should have been handled internally, which any first year management course would have pointed out.

The show probably won't be around much longer. With the bickering and character changes, I see a flush in it's future.

[kingcap72]

I agree that ABC should hand out equal treatment. But in Isaiah's case he could have opened them up to a potential lawsuit from T.R. Because if they just allowed Isaiah to keep getting away with hurling slurs, T.R. would have had a good case to say that they were allowing Isaiah to create a hostile work environment due to his sexuality. Now the other actors actions, while immature, didn't put ABC in any kind of legal trouble.

And I think Heigl almost got herself booted when she started demanding more money. Once ABC let her know it wasn't going down like that, she changed her tune.

[HisMomInlaw]

what kind of name is Grimmlok? ew you have Pee Wee herman as your avatar!@ sicko !!!!!

Originally Posted by Grimmlok

oh come on, Bush is adept at so many things.. mostly failure and lying related..

[Solarisgod]

First of all, I can not believe now calling someone a F@G is a SLUR. I call my brother that all the time :-) Generally when most people use that word it means that you are not standing up for yourself or you are considered less of a man/person. (or you want a cigarette) Nothing usually is implied about your sexual preference. What does the word wuss or punk imply? Give me a break!! The N-word and this word don't even compare on age alone. The psychological damage of the these two words are not even close or in the same ballpark. This is another attempt by supporting homosexual and gay community to piggy back off of the Civil Rights era that blacks and other minorities have fought long and hard to overcome.
IW used the word to mean the prior, it's just so happens the person is gay! That's it! If you read closely McDreamy was bullying and TR would not stand up for himself at times or just cave in. Where does that constitute HOMOPHOBIA. Which is another to make you feel bad for disliking the lifestyle of gay individuals. A phobia is a fear of something, nothing more. If I disagree with someone am I afraid of them, not usually. Another word created to keep people being afraid of say "HOMOSEXUALITY is morally wrong" and so are a lot of other things. Gay people have the luxury of not having to tell you they are unless you are looking for it or they come out of the closet. WHen was the last time a minority male or female said I am going to come out and let everyone know? Additionally, some facts homosexuals are NOT discriminated - they are extremely afflent and well connected, very educated and usually have high profile paying careers. The only time they can be discriminated is if they tell people they are or make is a part of thier outward apperance. Tell this to a minority. When was that last time you heard someone was a homosexually profiled and pulled over?

[darksithbunny]

Originally Posted by Lily

I wonder what Morgan Freeman thinks of this.

I don't know why I thought of that, but I did.

Probably because he is God? LOL.
I can't picture it any othe way now.

[DontMindMe]

Originally Posted by HisMomInlaw

what kind of name is Grimmlok? ew you have Pee Wee herman as your avatar!@ sicko !!!!!

You have Paris Hilton as your avatar! Sicko!!!

[Grimmlok]

Originally Posted by Solarisgod

First of all, I can not believe now calling someone a F@G is a SLUR.

It is. Period.

I call my brother that all the time :-)

Then you're an ass.

Generally when most people use that word it means that you are not standing up for yourself or you are considered less of a man/person.

Just like calling someone a nigger means they're a slave, right?

(or you want a cigarette)

Yes, because everyone says "you're such a fag" when their pack runs low. Brilliant.

Nothing usually is implied about your sexual preference.

Patently false.

What does the word wuss or punk imply? Give me a break!!

Wuss is calling into question someone's fortitude, punk is generally juvenile delinquent. These are accepted terms. Fag, faggot, queer, and whatever else is strictly referencing sexual orientation. That's a fact.

The N-word and this word don't even compare on age alone.

Age is irrelevant, and it's not a justification.

The psychological damage of the these two words are not even close or in the same ballpark.

Who the fuck are you to be judging THAT? You don't have the perspective.

This is another attempt by supporting homosexual and gay community to piggy back off of the Civil Rights era that blacks and other minorities have fought long and hard to overcome.

We've been fighting for 2 thousand years. We win.

IW used the word to mean the prior, it's just so happens the person is gay! That's it!

Really! Are you him? No? Then you're just trying to rationalize.

If you read closely McDreamy was bullying and TR would not stand up for himself at times or just cave in. HOMOPHOBIA.

The same way Micyhael Richards spewed the word Nigger at a couple black guys. OH, sure, after he said he wan't a racist.. uh huh..

Which is another to make you feel bad for disliking the lifestyle of gay individuals.

oh hwere we go, the "gay lifestyle". That's irrelevant. Dislike it all you want, but using the word fag is a slur. Period.

A phobia is a fear of something, nothing more.

That still doesn't mean you can throw around bigoted slurs and not suffer consequences. And if you're phobic about gays, then you're a fucking bigot with mental problems.

if I disagree with someone am I afraid of them, not usually. Another word created to keep people being afraid of say "HOMOSEXUALITY is morally wrong" and so are a lot of other things.

Think it all you want, but slurs come with a price when you say them. Fag is a slur. Period.

Gay people have the luxury of not having to tell you they are unless you are looking for it or they come out of the closet.

That's right, cuz every gay person can hide it. We'll let richard simmons know that immediately! he'll be so happy.

WHen was the last time a minority male or female said I am going to come out and let everyone know?

Um, gays ARE a minority.

Additionally, some facts homosexuals are NOT discriminated - they are extremely afflent and well connected, very educated and usually have high profile paying careers.

Are you fucking out of your mind? Not discrimminated? Can't get married, can't see their partner if they're dying in a hiospital bed, have no legal protections, financial ones, are bashed, assaulted and prevented at every turn by theocratic governments, hanged, shot... take your pick. Ignoramus.

The only time they can be discriminated is if they tell people they are or make is a part of thier outward apperance.

Oh but wait! a second ago we werent discrimminated against. But now we are, if we just act like ourselves?

FUCKING BRILLIANT.

Tell this to a minority. When was that last time you heard someone was a homosexually profiled and pulled over?

When's the last time you hears of a minority lynched just for being a minority?

[Str8_uncut-jock]

Grimm-I think I love you! That's really all I have to say about that.

Oh, and I was just pulled over last night for appearing "gay." Yep, you see, I live in a pretty good neighborhood, although to get to it from some parts of town, I have to drive by the seedy strip clubs, adult bookstores, novelty shops, etc. As I was driving thru last night around midnight, notice I did not stop or slow down, I was pulled over for being a single guy driving alone in a seedy area. The police asked for my drivers license and registration and then asked me what I was doing in the area. When I pointed to my address on my DL and told him I was on my way home from a movie, the police officer apologized and let me go. I think I was profiled. Don't you?

[curlysem]

Originally Posted by Lily

I had a Latina roommate who used to pull shit like this. She used to act like an asshole and then say "It's because I'm Latina, that's why I do that." She'd throw tantrums, call me names, boss me around, take over the apartment, once she threatened to "fuck me up" because I asked her why everything that went wrong in the apartment was always my fault. She pushed me into a corner, screaming and spitting on me.

And then she said, "That's just how I am."

A caveat: I've known plenty of Latina women who were very lovely, and wouldn't pull crap like that. But she used her race to give herself carte blanche to act like psycho bitchbag and then when I did something that crossed her, she'd play the minority card again.

The stupid part is: She has more money, security, family, etc. than I do, but assumes because I'm white, I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth. She also feels she can act however she pleases because of her race.

And when I hear Isaiah pulling this shit, I want to say: Shut up. You were fired not because you're black, but because you were wrong.

that's wrong what she did to you, but those people are just GHETTO!