Camille Paglia: White middle-class women identify with Jennifer Aniston's humiliation

[Somerset]

I don't see how people can say that Aniston is whining in this circumstance. It's Veingelina whose gone and starting bringing all this shit back up now for no reason whatsoever. And by saying "white, middle class women," I think she was just basically referring to the women who watch Oprah religiously every day at 4 pm.

[MgMMD]

I love how we are all lumped together...lol

BTW- I'd leave my husband for Angelina Jolie...

[DVS_one]

thanks icepik .... LHRB .. and PG ... and any others that comments supported my venture into marriage... *ahem* ... and as you can tell i dont know how to double/triple quote...

oh the kicker yall? ... he called me in emo breakdown mode... but i guess that is because i have his children im his new BFF ... he knows i wont say or do anything too bad ... BUT ... i laughed and laughed to myself...

[glamazon]

DVS_One, you are a saint among women, because I would have laughed IN HIS FACE!!!!

He sucks and karma is giving him a big ole kick in the ass right now...just watch and enjoy, girl...

[CherubRock]

Originally Posted by Grimmlok

Emotionally constipated? Bitch has been shitting a brown, nutty, constant stream of "oh boohoo me and THE DIVORCE™" for the last 2 years! She'd done it so much It's been trademarked!

Magazines, tv, interviews... emotionally pent up my ASS. Emotionally pent up people don't go on the fucking Oprah show to talk about things they'd rather not talk about!

LOL perfect description. She has the whiny, woe-is-me act down pat. Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.

[DVS_one]

Originally Posted by glamazon

DVS_One, you are a saint among women, because I would have laughed IN HIS FACE!!!!

He sucks and karma is giving him a big ole kick in the ass right now...just watch and enjoy, girl...

OH my friend do not fear... when this news came down about april of this year via none other than my ex step daughter... i laughed so hard i fell down...

Saint? ... fucking AY! can i get a holiday in my name? heh!

i think i forgot to mention a small detail... we live 2K miles apart .. its in the decree... *wink* ... i havent had to see his face since 2001

and just to go back to topic... JA is humilated? ... i thought humiliated people moved and changed thier names... not do interview after interview... hell i just refused to discuss it.. less taxing on the what if and whys... fuck it all i now know what i did wrong...

[Voodoo Child]

All this whining etc that JA was supposed to it , well where is it? Because I am still waiting for a full open up interview to give us her side of the story/details. She gave us SFA imo.

Not once did she call Jolie for anything (I certainly would of). It is now Jolie who has given us some sort of insight (from her perspective albeit how whacked out it is) and she is hailed a hero here again. (did anyone expect anything less?)

Could someone please post every single whine from JA please since some are so hell bent on accusing her of this.

[Somerset]

^^ITA. I find it really sad that everyone paints her as this whiny, selfish woman who hates babies. If it were the other way around, and he was leaving the more attractive woman for the less attractive one, a la Tori Spelling, no one would even fathom saying any of this shit about the jilted woman. And honestly, if I were JA, my head would have exploded already.

[AgentOrange]

Speaking as a male, I was surprised at how many women supported Jolie, against Anniston. Jolie was clearly in the wrong, and had gone over the line, by pursueing another woman's husband. Yet it was a case of "we like Jolie, and can't stand Jenn, so we'll bend the rule sand make an exception". When Charles cheated on Diana with Camilla Bowles Parker, no one said 'hurray, true love'. Camilla was the Rotweiller. This situation is Camilla in reverse, and there was no "Lady Di" outpouring of symapthy for Jenn.

Plus Jolie was extremely insincere, I think, about it too. She now claims that she never went looking for it, but I think that's exactly what she did. She also said she would never break up a marriage, because that had happened to her family, and she knew how it felt. She seems to say whatever seems convienent. She portrays this ballsy, crazy image, and yet wouldn't own up to the Pitt relationship for a year. I really think that Jolie is full of it. The longer they're together, the less people like what they see, too.

[moomies]

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

Speaking as a male, I was surprised at how many women supported Jolie, against Anniston. Jolie was clearly in the wrong, and had gone over the line, by pursueing another woman's husband. Yet it was a case of "we like Jolie, and can't stand Jenn, so we'll bend the rule sand make an exception". When Charles cheated on Diana with Camilla Bowles Parker, no one said 'hurray, true love'. Camilla was the Rotweiller. This situation is Camilla in reverse, and there was no "Lady Di" outpouring of symapthy for Jenn.

I agree with you on that. At first I really cound't care less and I never liked Maniston cuz I hated her character on Friends. YET, just cuz some Angie fantards are vapid and even irrational at times, I'm now team Aniston.

[ray shawn]

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

Speaking as a male, I was surprised at how many women supported Jolie, against Anniston. Jolie was clearly in the wrong, and had gone over the line, by pursueing another woman's husband. Yet it was a case of "we like Jolie, and can't stand Jenn, so we'll bend the rule sand make an exception". When Charles cheated on Diana with Camilla Bowles Parker, no one said 'hurray, true love'. Camilla was the Rotweiller. This situation is Camilla in reverse, and there was no "Lady Di" outpouring of symapthy for Jenn.

Plus Jolie was extremely insincere, I think, about it too. She now claims that she never went looking for it, but I think that's exactly what she did. She also said she would never break up a marriage, because that had happened to her family, and she knew how it felt. She seems to say whatever seems convienent. She portrays this ballsy, crazy image, and yet wouldn't own up to the Pitt relationship for a year. I really think that Jolie is full of it. The longer they're together, the less people like what they see, too.

Very well put.

[ediebrooks]

Angelina gets away with so much because she's beautiful. If she looked like Tori Spelling, she'd be lambasted as a heartless heartwrecker.

And I also don't understand why Angelina fantards contend that Jennifer Aniston went on some kind of nationwide pity tour. She did give an interview to "Vanity Fair", and she did appear on "Oprah", but that does not appear excessive to me. Also, the man she was married to for many years dumped her for a younger and prettier woman;is she not supposed to have feelings? I think it would be very strange if she were blase and light-hearted about this. Yet the nutty fantards disagree, and even say she brought her misfortune on herself by allegedly refusing to pop out a baby. Who can figure these folks out?

[ray shawn]

Originally Posted by ediebrooks

Angelina gets away with so much because she's beautiful. If she looked like Tori Spelling, she'd be lambasted as a heartless heartwrecker.

And I also don't understand why Angelina fantards contend that Jennifer Aniston went on some kind of nationwide pity tour. She did give an interview to "Vanity Fair", and she did appear on "Oprah", but that does not appear excessive to me. Also, the man she was married to for many years dumped her for a younger and prettier woman;is she not supposed to have feelings? I think it would be very strange if she were blase and light-hearted about this. Yet the nutty fantards disagree, and even say she brought her misfortune on herself by allegedly refusing to pop out a baby. Who can figure these folks out?

Damn the comments are on fire today. Very well put but stinging and true nonetheless.

[PrettyGirl]

I disagree. I never disliked Camilla Parker-Bowles. For as much as I liked Diana, I think Diana made her own miserable life. She clearly stated that when she was engaged she knew about Charles's relationship with Camilla and she knew she was not entirely out of the picture. Diana also admitted that the day she married she was basically depressed, stressed and sick to her stomach because she knew she was marrying a man who was in love with someone else....and yet she STILL went ahead with it. What woman in her right mind is going to knowingly marry a man who's in love with someone else? And if you do, what do you expect?

Charles clearly would've married Camilla years before, but because she was divorced and wasn't looked upon as 'proper', he ended up with Diana and Diana knew it. I think he tried to love her and I think he wanted to love her but Diana had a lot of her own issues too. She also went along with the scam because she WANTED to be the Princess of Wales and she WANTED that role. And let's not make Diana the saint here, either. Diana DID have a lot of emotional issues. Kind-hearted she was, but she was really messed up in the head. She was extremely weak. She tried to commit suicide, she threw herself down those stairs when she was pregnant, she was bulimic, she was a royal mess herself and it wasn't just because of her marriage...she had grown up with a lot of issues herself from her childhood and she WAS unstable. I think Charles had a lot to deal with in her too and it wasn't easy. She was the mother of his children and I think he wanted it to work, but can you imagine being married to someone who's constantly trying to slash their wrists, throw themselves down stairs, and God knows what else. I don't think she was easy to live with either.

Then she DID basically betray the royal family by secretly getting together with that author who wrote that biography and she revealed a lot of things about the Royal Family too. I can't even imagine having a sister in-law or daughter-in-law like that. My attitude would be like you know, if you don't like our family, fine, get divorced, find your freedom, but to have the guts to be in our family and do something like that while still carrying our name (or the title she had) is treacherous. If your husband is cheating on you, fine, walk out, but there was no need to try and bring down the whole family. It was her sons' family too and I think that was a very bad decision on her part. It was vindictive and it was sneaky. She didn't have the guts to walk out of her bad marriage, but she sure had the guts to secretly meet with this author and spill dirt on her in-laws. Is there any reason they shunned her at the end? It was no surprise to me. If you had an in-law like that, I don't think you'd think too highly of them either.

So IMO that marriage fell apart because of BOTH of them. It's totally unfair to say "Charles was the loser". Diana got into a situation she chose and then when she did, she didn't get out of it for years. Instead, she decided to complain about how terrible it was and how she was done wrong. What was wrong was to marry a man you clearly knew didn't love you. And then she went off and had her own affairs herself while she was married...and not just to one man, she had several rendevous while still married to Prince Charles. That wasn't any better either.

It takes two to tango and they were both never meant to marry each other and they were both never faithful. It was a good thing they got divorced. Diana had the freedom to date whomever she wanted and Charles was able to marry the love of his life. Unfortunately for Diana, she ended up dating men who clearly didn't really care for her and the last one was so reckless, he ended up getting them killed in that car crash. So it has nothing to do with looks...it's not that Angelina is pretty so it's okay and Camilla is ugly so we all hate her. Each situation is different. Maybe the media makes it that way, but not everyone thinks that way.

[irishpig]

Originally Posted by PrettyGirl

Then she DID basically betray the royal family by secretly getting together with that author who wrote that biography and she revealed a lot of things about the Royal Family too. I can't even imagine having a sister in-law or daughter-in-law like that. My attitude would be like you know, if you don't like our family, fine, get divorced, find your freedom, but to have the guts to be in our family and do something like that while still carrying our name (or the title she had) is treacherous. If your husband is cheating on you, fine, walk out, but there was no need to try and bring down the whole family. It was her sons' family too and I think that was a very bad decision on her part. It was vindictive and it was sneaky. She didn't have the guts to walk out of her bad marriage, but she sure had the guts to secretly meet with this author and spill dirt on her in-laws. Is there any reason they shunned her at the end? It was no surprise to me. If you had an in-law like that, I don't think you'd think too highly of them either.

I thought the royals did everything they could to block a divorce, including threats and manipulation, to keep Diana from causing any problems, up until she started striking back by leaking stories. I agree that she had emotional problems of her own, and marrying into that family only excerberated them. That whole situation was so messed up.
As for Jennifer A, I don't think Oprah and VF were unreasonable. Do you remember how huge that story was when it first came out that Brad and Jen were separating? I'm sure alot of the stories flying around were full of misinformation, and maybe she decided to go to a few media outlets she trusted, and get her side of the story out there. Really, if my husband's betrayal had been played out in the press, I might have come across as alot more bitter in my interviews, and I think we forget sometimes, if someone like Jen makes one comment, it is picked up by bloggers, by forums, by gossip mags, by ET type shows, and played over and over...so it may seem like unending whining to us, when in reality, she discussed it 2 or 3 times.....and 150 quotes came out of those 2 or 3 times. I think the media makes us sick of celebs faster than the celebs themselves. Britney is a perfect example at this particular moment. Because I am so sick of seeing her face everytime I turn on my computer, I could scream!