October 9th, 2006, 10:23 AM
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Stephen Baldwin says Bono is in league with Satan, blathers stupidly about religion
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Oct. 9, 2006 | On the National Mall in Washington last year, I had the opportunity to bear witness to actor-cum-evangelist Stephen Baldwin. His Livin' It ministry had set up a giant skate park, and under cloudy November skies young disciples flipped tricks. Baldwin, in giant aviator sunglasses, lumbered onto the half-pipe to testify to his "gnarly" rebirth in Christ to a crowd packed onto bleachers. Before the event, volunteers passed out tiny yellow pencils and "decision cards" to hordes of young spectators, who sat about a hundred yards from where the Constitution lies under thick glass. The cards would commit teens to a life in Christ if they were to undergo their own gnarly rebirth that afternoon.
To plenty of passersby strolling on the mall that day, Baldwin's nouveau Bible-thumping to the kids and parents gathered before him may have seemed like a desperate attempt by a B-list movie star to attract an audience. But, in fact, Baldwin's youth ministry has gathered tens of thousands of decision cards -- and faith-professing e-mails -- in the past couple of years. These days, Baldwin not only has the ear of young boys who cleave to his fundamentalist reading of the Bible, and whatever skein of celebrity still clings to his Jesus T-shirts. He has been named a cultural advisor to President Bush, a formidable follow-up to his invitation to speak at the Republican National Convention, where he announced proudly from the podium, "I'm here because of my faith."
Now Baldwin has released a memoir, "The Unusual Suspect," a reference to the one critically acclaimed film for which he's known. The book, the "Gospel according to Stevie B.," is part testimonial and part evangelical manifesto, a cocktail of anti-intellectualism and a biblical interpretation that would have Jesus spinning in his grave, had he stayed there. Baldwin preaches that free will is a lie of Satan -- we must shut off our brains, he says, and be led by what God tells our hearts. Furthermore, he writes, efforts to end global poverty and violence are just the sort of "stupid arrogance" that incur God's wrath, which we'll be feeling any day now in the coming apocalypse. I suppose when the star of "Bio-Dome" is advising the president and converting kids by the thousands to his gnarly brand of faith, the end is, indeed, nigh.
"The Unusual Suspect" features an open letter to Bono, lambasting him for lobbying for debt relief for developing countries instead of preaching the gospel on MTV. Bono must be in league with Satan, whom Baldwin spends a lot of time thinking about. "I am smart enough to know that Satan is alive and well today," he writes. "Satan has all kinds of power, and he is able to control the minds of anyone whose mind isn't controlled by God." Baldwin's theology -- and criticism of secularists and Christian poseurs like Bono -- is written with remarkable confidence for someone who can only recite six of the Ten Commandments and four of the Twelve Apostles.
All of this might seem like the easily ignorable ravings of a Hollywood has-been if the book wasn't climbing bestseller lists. Baldwin writes that "God has called me to go and make disciples of the youth of America. That is what I am going to try to do, and if you try to stop me I am going to break your face." Most frightening of all, Baldwin is succeeding. All of his dude-speak is actually speaking to the dudes. Thanks to his book, videos and live sermons, he continues to draw thousands of young people across the country into his church of celebrity and absolutism
The youngest of Hollywood’s famous and infamous Baldwin brothers, Stephen was best known for a host of mediocre movies and his passion for blow before Sept. 11, 2001, the day he got religion. His wife had already been born again, converted by a Brazilian housekeeper. Baldwin says the housekeeper was sent into their service not to clean their toilets but to save their souls. Every morning, Baldwin says, he would wake to his wife lying prostrate next to the bed, her head pressed against the floorboards, deep in prayer for an hour. "If you want to love Jesus, great, but can you cook my breakfast now?" was his response. Then two jets smashed into the World Trade Center.
"For Stephen Baldwin, September 11th was clearly the demonstration of the impossible becoming reality," he writes. He was now prepared to believe that Jesus died for his sins and was resurrected, that the Bible was the inerrant word of God.
After his rebirth, Baldwin saw everything in a new light, including his career. His "Usual Suspect" costars were speeding toward Oscar-anointed careers. But God had bigger plans for Baldwin, like starring in "Bio-Dome" with Pauly Shore. The stoner comedy offered Baldwin the chance to utter sacred lines like, "When we're not saving the environment, we're thinkin' of you, naked, thigh deep in tofu."
"God wanted me to make it," Baldwin writes. "One of the reasons kids will listen to me today is because they recognize me from the movies. But not just any movie. One movie: 'Bio-Dome.'" God had also instructed Baldwin to play Barney Rubble in "Viva Rock Vegas," and told him to turn down the part of Jennifer Garner's love interest in "Alias." The deity apparently makes a lousy manager.
Or not. Baldwin says God led him a few years ago to Beach Fest, a Christian revival that draws about 300,000 a year to a holy-rolling spring break party in Florida, where he met the event sponsor, a Portland, Ore., evangelist, Luis Palau. Since then, Palau has thrown millions of dollars at Baldwin's Livin It ministry, in which the actor travels as a headline act with a group of skateboarders who provide entertainment, authenticity and conversion stories at "radical" revivals. The Livin It tour drew an audience of over a million in 2005, selling out stadiums from Atlanta to Kingston, Jamaica. At the Minneapolis Metrodome, the tour packed in 40,000 people in a single evening; the wait for an autograph after the "altar call" lasted three and a half hours. (Last year's X Games drew only 16,000 to a skateboarding competition.)
Baldwin also directed the "Livin' It" video, an infomercial for Jesus directed at heathen teens. It's a typical skate video: all low angles under leaping boards, quick intercuts, grainy stock, a soundtrack of hip-hop and California surf punk, and behind-the-scenes antics of skaters pelting each other with McDonald's fries between dips into the half-pipe. Christianity isn't mentioned for the bulk of the video, save for a brief moment when Baldwin looms into the lens and lauds one mutton-chopped skater as his "gangsta for Jesus."
Only after the skateboarders have wowed the viewer with their athletic prowess and hip haircuts is the purpose of the video revealed. Then, Christian music fades up under a montage of soulful camaraderie. Skaters stand together in prayer circles, arms wrapped tightly around each other's shoulders, exchanging meaningful smiles. It's the very picture of belonging, a visual distillation of what it feels like to be in, to experience all that the viewer might crave. Then the music dips under a voice-over of skaters' testimonies, voices cut together phrase after phrase, intoning "true purpose" and "eternal comfort."
The "Livin It" DVD came out in 2004 and was expected to sell 20,000 copies in four years; it sold 150,000 in 15 months. Within its first year of release, 15,000 people sent e-mails to Baldwin, telling him they converted because of the video. A follow-up video is in the works. Baldwin has recently released a comic book called "Spirit Warriors," a two-dimensional fictional attempt to yield more conversions. The comic is the story of "six radical young kids [who] enter the spiritual war zone every day for classic battles of good against evil. The Spirit Warriors have given their hearts over to the Lord and will battle for his glory no matter the cost."
To witness Livin' It at its most intimate, I met up with the tour in Sayville, Long Island, just down the sound from where the Baldwin boys were raised. Sayville is a perennially uncool town, where oldies bands play the annual summer fair on a main street that's actually called Main St. When the tour's skateboarders arrived, all trim chests and shaggy hair, it was clearly the coolest thing to happen since local boy Joey Buttafuoco was convicted. The town is about as mad for Stephen Baldwin as one can imagine people being for, well, Stephen Baldwin.
Instead of the usual stadium setup, that night Livin It appeared at a nearby church. A giant white tent sheltered skate ramps and endless rows of folding chairs, which couldn't hold the crowd of kids and parents with cameras, who spilled out beyond the tent poles. Baldwin -- a slightly different figure than the one you may remember from his slimmer, blonder days -- jogged out onstage, his Jesus T-shirt billowing, his hair slicked across his scalp and down the back of his thick neck. "Yeah, yeah!" he yelled over the music. "There's a new Jesus in town, and that's what he sounds like! Are you ready to get gnarly?"
Baldwin launched into what appeared to be a hackneyed impersonation of what many youth-group survivors would recognize as embarrassing Pastor Cool. "You've heard of Jesus Freaks?" he bellowed. "Well, I'm the first Jesus Psycho!"
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No, you're # 589,786,987 in the line of Jesus douchebags.
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October 9th, 2006, 10:27 AM
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^^ That doesn't mean he's wrong about Bono.
Stephen Baldwin = rock.
Bono = hard place.
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October 9th, 2006, 10:31 AM
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True, mostly I think Bono is just lame and cheesy.
This Baldwin character sounds like a real deep thinker.
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October 9th, 2006, 10:38 AM
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October 9th, 2006, 10:42 AM
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Baldwin preaches that free will is a lie of Satan -- we must shut off our brains, he says, and be led by what God tells our hearts.
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Last I checked free will was given in the garden of Eden BY the almighty sky fairy, not satan.
As for the brain shutting off part, all churchies and fundamentalist nuts are undoubtedly familiar with this small facet.
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He was now prepared to believe that Jesus died for his sins and was resurrected,
that the Bible was the inerrant word of God.
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There are two main problems that come to mind when I read this.
1. The inerrant word of God, according to a theologian I know, was
first written in Aramaic (ancient Hebrew) and then translated into
ancient Greek, then into Latin, then into the Old English of the
King James bible. That means the current meaning of any Bible passage
could be three times removed from its original inception. (The
commandment, "thou shalt not kill" is apparently originally written
as "thou shalt not do murder" -- once "kill" and "murder" are separated,
you can now justify punishing someone for committing premeditated murder
while rewarding them for killing in the name of an army.)
2. During the Wars of the Roses, a King -- one of the Henrys? --
reprinted the Bible with an added passage of great political interest
and distributed it to the peasants, to sway their support in his
direction. (Bear in mind that in those days, the King of England
ruled by Divine Right, and was entitled to treat himself like
God's representative on Earth.)
The passage went something like this: "The current wars that plague
England are a result of [my family] being denied their rightful place
on the throne. The wrath of God will be appeased, and things
will be set right again, the day that I resume my rightful place
on the throne of England."
Is Stephen Baldwin aware of the history of this book, this great
patchwork of texts, written and accumulated over centuries,
often by minds that never met and had competing political motives?
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October 9th, 2006, 11:07 AM
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In a word, NO.
Steven Baldwin is a pompous arsehole who knows nothing about anything.
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October 9th, 2006, 11:07 AM
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i prefer satan over a baldwin!
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October 9th, 2006, 11:26 AM
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I thought Canada bombed the Baldwins.
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October 9th, 2006, 11:32 AM
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Maybe I should just keep it short:
Hey Baldwin --
GO FUCK YOURSELF!
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October 9th, 2006, 11:43 AM
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Now Baldwin has released a memoir, "The Unusual Suspect," a reference to the one critically acclaimed film for which he's known.
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The book, the "Gospel according to Stevie B.," is part testimonial and part evangelical manifesto, a cocktail of anti-intellectualism and a biblical interpretation that would have Jesus spinning in his grave, had he stayed there.
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Isn't that a cosmopolitan?
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Baldwin preaches that free will is a lie of Satan -- we must shut off our brains, he says, and be led by what God tells our hearts.
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No shit. It's, like, so obvious, y'know?
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Furthermore, he writes, efforts to end global poverty and violence are just the sort of "stupid arrogance" that incur God's wrath
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Um, then should ye not be smote as well, dear Stevie B? I mean, your book's nothing but stupid arrogance.
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"God has called me to go and make disciples of the youth of America. That is what I am going to try to do, and if you try to stop me I am going to break your face."
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 This don't sound too Christian to me.
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Hey Baldwin --
GO FUCK YOURSELF!
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Amen to that brother!
Oh and threatning to 'break people's faces definately ISN'T christian - I looked it up.
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October 9th, 2006, 11:53 AM
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its no wonder people think Christians are nuts with idiots like Baldwin out there sad thing is there are plenty of christians who are not right wing nut jobs like Baldwin is There are plenty of us out there that want the same like every one else in the world Because we have lived in the real world and met real people and did not surround ourselves with the "Nut jobs" that seem to be prevelant in society such as Baldwin. However most are to afraid of their own People to speak up about what they belive to be true I had to speak up for myself on this one. I am NOTHING like this nut case Or any of his other Freaky Church people that he claims to be a part of ICK!!!
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^^ I believe you are speaking of the Krazy Khristians. (thanks, Sojiita, for that term!) Glad to know you're not one of them, Tams!!
The only good thing about this is Baldwin getting tens of thousands of young people to make better, healthier life choices and to feel confident about those choices.
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How can you feel confident about a choice that GOD made for you?
Shit, sorry. I forgot to turn off my brain like Steve-O here wants.
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