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Old October 19th, 2005, 07:58 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Beyonce: She Didn't Write The Songs
Vanity Fair finally puts a solo African-American on its cover, and doesn’t do any fact checking.
Beyonce Knowles, who’s full of sass and has a striking voice, actually thinks she’s a songwriter. She says so in the new Vanity Fair.
In fact, Beyonce did not write her big hit "Crazy in Love," or even conceive of it. "Crazy in Love" — its horns, percussion, chief melody and overall "feel" — was written by the late and very great Eugene Record of the Chi-Lites (he died this summer). The group recorded and released it in 1969 as "Are You My Woman (Tell Me So)."
Indeed, the person who sought out the track was hip-hop producer Rich Harrison. He’s the go-to guy when you need to sample something obscure because you can’t write your own music.
He told MTV.com in February 2004 that he’d had the sample for some time, long before Beyonce knew about it.

"Yeah, I had it in the chamber," he told the Web site. "I hadn't really shopped it much, because sometimes you don't want to come out of the bag before it's right."
Harrison then brought Jay-Z in to add a rap. The result was such a success that Harrison would later adapt the horn section from the Chi-Lites' record for similar records he produced for pop singers Amerie and Jennifer Lopez.
The Vanity Fair article, however, makes it seem like Beyonce is a genius songwriter who came up with all this stuff. Knowles says, without her veracity being questioned: "'Crazy in Love' was really hard to write because there was so much going on … I mean, I had written — what? —seven, eight number one songs with Destiny's Child, in a row." Of Jay-Z's added rap: "I knew the song wasn’t complete because the horns were so old school…"
There, she is correct. The horns were old school. They were charted 36 years ago by Record, who also wrote "Have You Seen Her?," "Oh Girl," "Am I The Same Girl?" and many other classic R&B hits. Unfortunately, he’s no longer here to defend himself.
In the Vanity Fair article, Beyonce also claims to have “written” seven No. 1 songs. Again, not exactly. Her name is on them all. But “Independent Woman, Pt. 1” was authored by Samuel J. Barnes and Jean Claude Olivier, tweaked by producer Cory Rooney and added to by …Beyonce. Olivier and Barnes also worked on constructing Jennifer Lopez’s “Jenny from the Block.”
“Say My Name,” a big Destiny’s Child hit, was written by Rodney Jerkins, his brother Freddie and Rodney’s writing partner LeShawn Daniels. The names of the four girls from the group were added again, so they could share in the collection of royalties.
There’s more: "Baby Boy" was based on a hit by reggae star Ini Kamoze called "Here Comes the Hot Stepper." "Naughty Girl" is merely a hefty sample of Donna Summer and Giorgio Moroder’s "Love to Love You Baby." "Bills Bills Bills" was written by singer/songwriter Kandi Burruss and producer Kevin Briggs. "Nasty Girl" and "Survivor" were the work of composer/producer Anthony Dent, who had to share credit with not only Beyonce but also her father, Matthew Knowles. "Bootylicious" is simply Stevie Nicks’s "Edge of Seventeen."
Nicks, following Sting’s lead from years ago with Diddy’s sample of "Every Breath You Take," did not allow Destiny’s Child or Beyonce to get any royalties at all. Rock on, Stevie!
In fact, not one of the songs listed under Beyonce’s name on the BMI Web site is written solely by her. They are usually credited to a list of songwriters. The list comprises the actual writers, and then a few people who’ve "tweaked" the song with a rap or by adding samples.
But this is the way it’s done in hip-hop and rap. "Writing" a song has new meaning. It means "licensing" the song from another writer. The word "composer" is not in the hip-hop dictionary.
This can make for a peculiar situation at the Grammy Awards. In 2000, Jerkins and his writing team had to share the Grammy for Best R&B Song for “Say My Name” with the members of Destiny’s Child because their names were on the credits.
In 2003, Beyonce, Harrison and Jay-Z won a couple of Grammys including Best R&B Song for “Crazy in Love.” Record’s name isn’t even listed on the Grammy Web site and he was the writer. Hopefully his widow is getting checks.
Over the weekend I discussed this phenomenon with a famous songwriter concerning rapper Nelly, whose albums — like Kanye West’s — are made up of samples of previous works. I thought they’d find the whole thing deplorable. Not so.
"Really?" they said, realizing the revenue that could be realized. "I’ll send him my whole catalogue for his next one!"
Otherwise, Vanity Fair’s annual music issue, as has been noted elsewhere, is an attempt to make up for not including African-Americans in years of previous issues. The magazine photographed nearly all of the most famous members of the hip-hop and rap community. Most of them fare very well, although Sean “Diddy” Combs probably regrets his portrait.
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Old October 19th, 2005, 08:21 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Fake fake fake Beyonce!
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Old October 19th, 2005, 09:42 AM   #3 (permalink)
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What a lying, stealing 'ho.
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Old October 19th, 2005, 10:29 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Why do these people have to lie about writing their own songs? She gets all the fame and fortune when she sings it anyway!
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Old October 25th, 2005, 09:19 PM   #5 (permalink)
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well at least its in print... that girl isnt all that talented... she has a very nice voice ... but its gettting monotonous.. (IMO)
and i knew a few of her songs werent hers ...
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Old October 26th, 2005, 01:25 AM   #6 (permalink)
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The list comprises the actual writers, and then a few people who’ve "tweaked" the song with a rap or by adding samples.
But this is the way it’s done in hip-hop and rap. "Writing" a song has new meaning. It means "licensing" the song from another writer. The word "composer" is not in the hip-hop dictionary.



What? So because this bitch got credit for a few songs, the whole community gets lumped into this catergory? I hate it when ppl talk about shit they know NOTHING about. "Composer" is not in hip-hop dictionary?! How about getting punched in your face for saying stupid shit? is that your dictionary? cause its in MINE.

note: this is aimed at the person who wrote it, not buttmunch.
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Old October 26th, 2005, 01:38 AM   #7 (permalink)
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i didnt think she was the kind of person who would lie about crap like this. or anything for that matter. guess im naieve.
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Old October 26th, 2005, 01:39 AM   #8 (permalink)
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i didnt think she was the kind of person who would lie about crap like this. or anything for that matter. guess im naieve.
Have you heard her talk? Does she sound like a woman who would be a gifted songwriter to you? Do you think she and someone like Annie Lennox are in the same league?
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Old October 26th, 2005, 04:21 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Do you think she and someone like Annie Lennox are in the same league?

o HELL no!
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Old October 26th, 2005, 04:43 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing when a singer doesn't write his/her own music or lyrics. The singer was gifted with the voice, even if he/she can't compose, and the songwriter was gifted with the composing skills, even if he/she can't sing. They are still both artists in their own way.
Of course if the same person can both sing and compose it's even better, but I don't think it's a big deal when it doesn't happen, like in most cases.

In my opinion the problem here is not that Beyoncè didn't compose her songs, but that she claims she did while she did not.

Beyoncè is beautiful, she has an amazing voice, she can also dance. She's already an artist even if she can't compose, so why lying about it???
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Old October 26th, 2005, 12:34 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Reason I don't watch the Grammys anymore. It doesn't mean anything. A true musician or artist writes their own and can play every instrument if need be.. Like Prince. Paul McCartney, etc.
Why can't people be great a one thing anymore. Why does it have to branch out into other crap? I like Beyonce as a singer, but not as an actress or clothes designer or perfume pusher. It's sad, really.

Oscars too. Same frickin thing except the ones who really do the best performance get shafted because of who the fuck you know.

None of those shows are credulious anymore.
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Old October 26th, 2005, 01:14 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I think not writing your own stuff is fine if you have talent as a singer. Plenty of beloved singers over the years have had songwriters, it's not new (Elvis, Frank Sinatra, etc). Just don't pretend that you wrote it!
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My God, she is so full of herself. It's not like sb asked her if she wrote her songs, she just "mentioned" it without having a reason good enough. You know, like:
-How about Crazy in love?
-Well, it was hard to write. But you know, I wrote and produced all the no 1 hits for DC!
-and how about your perfumes, do they sell well?
-Well, of course! I wrote all the no1 hits for DC, didn't I!!

She brags about how talented she is while in fact she is not half the woman she would like to be.
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 04:41 AM   #14 (permalink)
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No..its not that she didn't write..the song it's the fact she lied about..hell the bitch took credit for "silent night"...insane..who would be proud of writing "bootylicious"?
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Old May 2nd, 2006, 05:16 PM   #15 (permalink)
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i DONT THINK IT IS A PROBLEM THAT SHE DOESNT' WRITE HER ALL OF HER OWN SONGS...BUT I ACTUALLY DO BELEIVE THAT SHE DOES WRITE SOME OF THEM...I WOULD SAY MOST OF THEM....BUT SAMPLING MUSIC HARDLY CLASSIFIES AS NOT WRITING YOUR OWN MUSIC...LOTS AND LOTS OF ARTIST SAMPLE...AND IF THE OTHER WRITERS ON THESE SONGS THAT SHE SUPPOSEDLY DIDN'T WRITE HAS SUCH A PROBLEM WITH IT...WHY DID THEY LET HER PUT HER NAME ON IT AS THE WRITER...MOST TIMES WHEN AN ARTIST DOESN'T WRITE...THEIR NAME IS NO WHERE ON THE CREDITS...I SMELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL HATE IN THE AIR ON THIS ONE....I AM A HUGE BEYONCE FAN...SO I LOVE HER VOICE AND HER LOOK...AND I COULD CARE LESS IF SHE INFACT DOESN'T WRITE...IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE HER MONEY OR HER FAN BASE....
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