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**Novice** · November 26th, 2011, 06:13 PM

Well, you set that up nicely. Kat isn't the only one that needs to read what was posted.

**sputnik** · November 26th, 2011, 06:23 PM

^^^
i wasn't referring to your post at all. i kust told caramel to watch it because some people take everything she writes literally and get all offended despite the fact that she's almost always taking the piss.

**whitetigeress** · November 27th, 2011, 01:47 AM

Originally Posted by sputnik

^^^
i think caramel made it clear she wasn't talking about real rape. she clearly stated she was talking about fantasies. so maybe before you grind your teeth down you should take the time to actually read.

Please allow me to bold that word?

Someone should have never used the word rape. If anyone READ the book, it wasn't rape. (If I remember correctly) It was a couple on their honeymoon having sex. Because our lovely white shiny anorexic looking Edward is a vampire, he is ... shall we say... rough when the good gets going really good?
Hey, she wanted it. She allowed it. She waited a long time for it. She got hurt. Furniture was wrecked. She got pregnant.
Read or watch the movie if you want to know more.
But! I will agree with this... some parts are way bit much for early teen or younger kids.
And
Kirsten still sucks as an actress.

**caramel** · November 27th, 2011, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by Novice

Thank you for your in-depth analysis of my sexuality, maybe you need to get the next cereal box for part II?

Read what I actually wrote in the thread for a change.

I wasnt actually even referring to you in any way.

And yeah I was taking the piss but you gotta admit that so many of these sex fantasy books have really rough sex scenes in them.

**rollo** · November 27th, 2011, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by caramel

I wasnt actually even referring to you in any way.

And yeah I was taking the piss but you gotta admit that so many of these sex fantasy books have really rough sex scenes in them.

And you would know and you keep telling us/broken record.

**twitchy2.0** · November 27th, 2011, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by whitetigeress

Someone should have never used the word rape. If anyone READ the book, it wasn't rape.

Well, someone did use that word and she DID read the books though it wasn't a pleasant experience. Whoever that someone was. I have no idea.

Anyway. Yes, she wanted sex. Right. I missed the part where she consented to be battered into unconsciousness. Maybe my book had a page missing. Though considering how she seems to think that his controlling abuser type behaviour is 'romantic', it shouldn't be surprising. I'm going to continue to call it rape because nothing about the character demonstrates that she has the mental capacity to give informed consent.

**sputnik** · November 27th, 2011, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by whitetigeress

Please allow me to bold that word?

Someone should have never used the word rape. If anyone READ the book, it wasn't rape. (If I remember correctly) It was a couple on their honeymoon having sex. Because our lovely white shiny anorexic looking Edward is a vampire, he is ... shall we say... rough when the good gets going really good?
Hey, she wanted it. She allowed it. She waited a long time for it. She got hurt. Furniture was wrecked. She got pregnant.
Read or watch the movie if you want to know more.
But! I will agree with this... some parts are way bit much for early teen or younger kids.
And
Kirsten still sucks as an actress.

so sorry, i'll be sure to ask permission next time before using a word.

please, the whole series is the author's mormon-guilt-infused masturbation fantasy involving sparkly vampires, and the wedding night sex definitely falls into the 'rape fantasy' realm. this isn't the first time the word 'rape' has been used to describe that passage in the books and it won't be the last. and it's not up to you to decide who gets to use a word and when. it's not our fault you take things literally and don't understand context.

Originally Posted by rollo

And you would know and you keep telling us/broken record.

why not use the ignore function so you don't have to keep getting offended and/or angry every time caramel makes a dirty joke?

**Beeyotch** · November 27th, 2011, 04:49 PM

I think the problem with what caramel said was the generalization that "most women have rape fantasies." That's not true for everyone just because it might be true for her and as someone else pointed out, it's what fuels the idiot excuse that women, on some level, want to be raped, that they don't really mean it when they say no, so somehow rape is okay because it's not really "rape"-rape.

I don't have a problem with caramel, I find her posts entertaining and I got the gist of her intended meaning but there was a better way to put what she wanted to say.

**sputnik** · November 27th, 2011, 05:10 PM

i have a problem with saying that women shouldn't talk about rape fantasies because it fuels the excuse that some women want to be raped. it's exactly the same as saying that women who dress sexy are asking for it.

**Beeyotch** · November 27th, 2011, 05:22 PM

Talking about her own rape fantasies is one thing, but that's not the same as saying any one with a vag wants to be raped. That's a broad generalization even if it was a joke and it's not going to be appreciated by a lot of people.

**whitetigeress** · November 27th, 2011, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Beeyotch

Talking about her own rape fantasies is one thing, but that's not the same as saying any one with a vag wants to be raped. That's a broad generalization even if it was a joke and it's not going to be appreciated by a lot of people.

This

Someone calls a scene in the book rape.. then it becomes a generalized topic. Rape itself is a sensitive subject.
Can't we all at least agree on that???

I would sing Kumbaya for us all but..... I hate the song.

**shedevilang** · November 27th, 2011, 07:59 PM

*slaps everyone, ya'll are arguing in a Twilight thread for fuck's sake.

**Karistiona** · November 28th, 2011, 04:53 AM

*cough*twihards*cough*

**caramel** · November 28th, 2011, 07:15 AM

oh my god now im gonna be honest and tell you people i only said that vag rape thing because it is so absurd and these kind of teenager books filled with creepy stalking and rapeyfeeling sex and most likely is gonna give the misconception in these bellaretarded girl types mind that its ok to be such a moaning weak little thing dating a glittery stalker who beats you up during sex as long as he did for love.

so i dont really think everyone with a vag wants to be raped blah blah just let it go. and there is no way fantasies about rape makes rape in real life ok. people jerk off to all kinds of weird shit but at least i can understand that whats in your head is not always what you want in real life.

**BBDSP** · November 28th, 2011, 07:30 AM

That is the most intelligent thing I've ever heard you say, Caramel. (I mean that as a compliment.)

There is something weird and wrong-headed about these Twilight books and I am so glad my teenage daughter caught onto it about mid-way through the second book. I don't give a shit if the author is Mormon and believes in being a virgin until marriage, etc. That's not what bugs me. It's the way Bella's character is permeated with the adolescent self-obsessed belief that I'm so special but nobody recognizes it until the equally special boy comes along and sees how wonderful I am, blah blah blah, and the whole mythos of the aloof, withdrawn, elusive, unavailable man who happens to be a sparkly vampire. The whole thing is vomitrocious.