Muslim?

[Hazeleyed_Honey]

But do they believe they were innocent victims? I thought non-Muslims were born from pigs so none of the victims were so innocent after all.

Huh???I will try to answer what I think you were implying.

Well, those specific people that poster was talking about in her work,I do not know what they thought. But as for cheering,I am speaking here in a general sense from a cultural perspective...I do not think they were cheering specifically because innocent civilians were killed. It is more of a direct reaction to the U.S. government. But that is just my opinion about it based on how in my culture some reactions are read.

Who said that non-Muslims were born from pigs and who implied that?

I was also under the impression most marriages were arranged and not created from love. Women are given the choice who they can be with? I've never heard of that, it was up to the family to decide isn't it?

If it is arranged marriage well it surely is NOT Islamic,it is more of a societal practice. Well the heck does it say in Islam that is it supposed to be arranged marriage???
As for in my Arab culture, now times have changed...but before,they were usually arranged. Yes,of course women have choice!But then again, this can be different from family to family.

In our culture, a lot women and men prefer arranged marriage because that is the custom. That is how it is in numerous eastern cultures.Like with my mom, you can say it was arranged,but she wanted it that way. She was engaged prior to when she met my dad,and SHE is the one that called off the engagement.

What is not the norm in your culture is the norm to others in their cultures. Even though,you might dog the way marriages are done in Eastern cultures I can assure you most are filled with just as much love as with western couples. Who said there is no love that blossoms in arranged marriages? Surely,most of these arranged marriages last for a while and are more successful than marriages in the West where there is a 50% divorce rate.

I think it's sweet how earnestly you want to defend your faith but it sounds like you come from a very Westernized upbringing.

Of course I will defend my faith just like YOU would defend your faith. No one here has brought ANY valid points of how Islam is an illogical and screwed up faith. I am here to educate those who are ignorant about my faith because as I can see a lot have miscontructed views about Islam gathered from stereotypes and negative press.

My parents are devout Muslims,and I was born in Kuwait from Palestinian descendant parents and family. I am surrounded by my Arab culture and religion. Since I came here when I was 6 I surely do have a western liberal mindset,but I know my roots and identify by them.

[Hazeleyed_Honey]

I rather not answer this question, because in the past I've been in some heated discussions over this topic. I do want to say that I love the honesty in here. people are not afraid to express what they think, and let's face it: being politically correct is a form of lying.

You surely should answer the question,don't be shy. That is what we are all here for to communicate and understand from each other.

It is difficult to discuss topics like this because usually nay sayers are automatically branded as racist bigots. You can't engage in discussion when that assumption is thrown at you.

Well,if nay sayers do get branded as racist bigots maybe that is because they are. It is just like if someone said prejudice remark about Jews, they will be branded anti-semitic.The same goes for other followers of other faiths.

[serenity]

Some of the things I have heard, are so different from what you are saying. I would say, most of the reports I have heard, are from people who have lived there and my best friend was married to an Iranian for a short time so she has reported a completely different view from what you are saying. For one thing, there are less divorces because......the woman cannot take the children with her in a divorce and she will be looked down upon. Also, she cannot usually, even find work to take care of herself and is at the mercy of her family to help. Also, she is considered a used woman by the other men and so she will spend her life alone.
As for the right to choose a mate. That must be rare. All of the Muslim people that have moved to this town, where I live, have arranged marriages for their daughters. And the right to choose to work?? These girls have all wished they could go to college but they have been told there will be no college....they will be wifes and mothers. They are forced to wear the robes, even though they don't want to, and these girls are never allowed to participate in any activities.

[piperdiva]

I am not at all well versed in the Koran. However, from what my boyfriend (who is Muslim) has told me & from what I've learned from the service at mosque, women & men's rolls are complimentary--not equal. The man is responsible for making the $$ to care for the children & wife & the woman maintains the home. However, if the woman wishes to, she may work & any $$ she makes doing so is hers to keep. In the case of divorce, a man may not take back ANY $$ he gives his wife. A dowry is very common, as is a pre-marriage contract to work out all the details of what is expected in marriage. Also--in an Islamic society, men would never dare call women whores--something which is incredibly common in western societies--because that is a very punishable offense.

I think it all goes back to how the Bible & Koran deal differently w/ Adam & Eve. The Bible blames Eve entirely, & God punishes womankind w/ childbirth while the Koran places it on both the Adam & Eve.

Jews see the Adam and Eve saga as the same as the Koran, then.
Hmm, everything else mentioned in this post is the same as for orthodox Judaism. Interesting...

[Hazeleyed_Honey]

Earlier I responded to posts by savansa and serenity and now they are not here.

Hmmm...Why did they disappear?

[Hazeleyed_Honey]

Jews see the Adam and Eve saga as the same as the Koran, then.
Hmm, everything else mentioned in this post is the same as for orthodox Judaism. Interesting...

The religion of Islam is VERY close to Judaism. The main big difference is that in Judaism there is no Jesus or prophet Mohammed. Islam is closer to Judaism than Christianity.

[Tati]

Earlier I responded to posts by savansa and serenity and now they are not here.

Hmmm...Why did they disappear?

Because of the server move. Posts made in the interim were lost, from all sub-forums.