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    Default Make sure to pack in all your fun before May 21, 2011

    Harold Camping lets out a hearty chuckle when he considers the people who believe the world will end in 2012.

    "That date has not one stitch of biblical authority," Camping says from the Oakland office where he runs Family Radio, an evangelical station that reaches listeners around the world. "It's like a fairy tale."

    The real date for the end of times, he says, is in 2011.

    The Mayans and the recent Hollywood movie "2012" have put the apocalypse in the popular mind this year, but Camping has been at this business for a long time. And while Armageddon is pop science or big-screen entertainment to many, Camping has followers from the Bay Area to China.

    Camping, 88, has scrutinized the Bible for almost 70 years and says he has developed a mathematical system to interpret prophecies hidden within the Good Book. One night a few years ago, Camping, a civil engineer by trade, crunched the numbers and was stunned at what he'd found: The world will end May 21, 2011.

    This is not the first time Camping has made a bold prediction about Judgment Day.

    On Sept. 6, 1994, dozens of Camping's believers gathered inside Alameda's Veterans Memorial Building to await the return of Christ, an event Camping had promised for two years. Followers dressed children in their Sunday best and held Bibles open-faced toward heaven.

    But the world did not end. Camping allowed that he may have made a mathematical error. He spent the next decade running new calculations, as well as overseeing a media company that has grown significantly in size and reach.

    "We are now translated into 48 languages and have been transmitting into China on an AM station without getting jammed once," Camping said. "How can that happen without God's mercy?"

    His office is flanked by satellite dishes in the parking lot that transmit his talk show, "Open Forum." In the Bay Area, he's heard on 610 AM, KEAR. Camping says his company owns about 55 stations in the United States alone, and that his message arrives on every continent.
    'I'm looking forward to it'

    Employees at the Oakland office run printing presses that publish Camping's pamphlets and books, and some wear T-shirts that read, "May 21, 2011." They're happy to talk about the day they believe their souls will be retrieved by Christ.

    "I'm looking forward to it," said Ted Solomon, 60, who started listening to Camping in 1997. He's worked at Family Radio since 2004, making sure international translators properly dictate Camping's sermons.

    "This world may have had an attraction to me at one time," Solomon said. "But now it's definitely lost its appeal."

    Camping is a frail-looking man, and his voice is low and deep, but it can rise to dramatic peaks with a preacher's flair.

    As a young man, he owned an East Bay construction business but longed to work as a servant of God. So he hit the books.

    "Because I was an engineer, I was very interested in the numbers," he said. "I'd wonder, 'Why did God put this number in, or that number in?' It was not a question of unbelief, it was a question of, 'There must be a reason for it.' "
    Code-breaking phenomenon

    Camping is not the only man to see truths in the Bible hidden in the numbers. In the late 1990s, a code-breaking phenomenon took off, led by "The Bible Code," written by former Washington Post journalist Michael Drosnin.

    Drosnin developed a technique that revealed prophecies within the Bible's text. A handful of biblical scholars have supported Drosnin's theory, lending it an air of legitimacy, and just as many scholars have decried it as farce.

    One of Drosnin's more well-known findings is that a meteor will strike Earth in 2012, the same year some people believe the Mayan calendar marks the end of times, and the same year the "2012" action movie surmised the Earth's crust will destabilize and kill most humans.
    Meaning in numbers

    By Camping's understanding, the Bible was dictated by God and every word and number carries a spiritual significance. He noticed that particular numbers appeared in the Bible at the same time particular themes are discussed.

    The number 5, Camping concluded, equals "atonement." Ten is "completeness." Seventeen means "heaven." Camping patiently explained how he reached his conclusion for May 21, 2011.

    "Christ hung on the cross April 1, 33 A.D.," he began. "Now go to April 1 of 2011 A.D., and that's 1,978 years."

    Camping then multiplied 1,978 by 365.2422 days - the number of days in each solar year, not to be confused with a calendar year.

    Next, Camping noted that April 1 to May 21 encompasses 51 days. Add 51 to the sum of previous multiplication total, and it equals 722,500.

    Camping realized that (5 x 10 x 17) x (5 x 10 x 17) = 722,500.

    Or put into words: (Atonement x Completeness x Heaven), squared.

    "Five times 10 times 17 is telling you a story," Camping said. "It's the story from the time Christ made payment for your sins until you're completely saved.

    "I tell ya, I just about fell off my chair when I realized that," Camping said.

    James Kreuger, author of "Secrets of the Apocalypse - Revealed," has been studying the end of times for 40 years and is familiar with Camping's work. While Kreuger agrees that the rapture is indeed coming, he disputes Camping's method.

    "For all his learning, Camping makes a classic beginner's mistake when he sets a date for Christ's return," Kreuger wrote in an e-mail. "Jesus himself said in Matthew 24:36, 'Of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my father only.' "
    'It is going to happen'

    Camping's believers will have none of it.

    Rick LaCasse, who attended the September 1994 service in Alameda, said that 15 years later, his faith in Camping has only strengthened.

    "Evidently, he was wrong," LaCasse allowed, "but this time it is going to happen. There was some doubt last time, but we didn't have any proofs. This time we do."

    Would his opinion of Camping change if May 21, 2011, ended without incident?

    "I can't even think like that," LaCasse said. "Everything is too positive right now. There's too little time to think like that."

    Read more: Biblical scholar's date for rapture: May 21, 2011
    Biblical scholar's date for rapture: May 21, 2011

    Damn. I thought I had ALL of 2011 to wrap up all those loose ends.
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    No sorry, the world MUST end on 12/21/12. Just look at the numbers - aren't they fun? Not to mention, it's the birthday of two friends of mine - who, on certain days, I wouldn't mind seeing blown up by the Underwear Bomber.

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    But this really throws a monkey wrench into my plans. How am I going to fit everything in just a little over a year?
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    Buy a planner?

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    Look whenever the end of the world happens it will happen here first as we are several hours ahead of your guys so I'll give you a heads up OK?
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    Um, I had plans for debauchment that lasted well into 2012. I am upset, this is unacceptable! I demand to talk to the manager of this whole end times thing--either he fixes it or I want my money back...

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    sweet a few days before my wedding. Is God or this guy trying to tell me something?

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    So, his first end of the world prediction was wrong, but everyone's suppose to believe he's right this time.

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    so, if jebus comes back and all the "christians" are raptured.. are the infidel muslims and hindus and buddhists still gonna be around?

    Ugh.

    Can't he rapture them all?
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    "BULLSHIT" is all I have the energy for.

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    We are forever being given a new "sell by" date. Don't think I'd max out all the credit cards!
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    Quote Originally Posted by A*O View Post
    Look whenever the end of the world happens it will happen here first as we are several hours ahead of your guys so I'll give you a heads up OK?
    That's the thing I never got about all the hype surrounding Y2K. As it drew closer to midnight, they were salivating over all the potential disaster and I kept thinking that if planes were going to be falling out of the sky, we'd have heard about it happening in Australia hours ago. Has it already been 10 years? wow
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    sweet a few days before my wedding. Is God or this guy trying to tell me something?
    You're dooooomed!!
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    End of world predictions that will come and go...very 7th-day-adventist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    so, if jebus comes back and all the "christians" are raptured.. are the infidel muslims and hindus and buddhists still gonna be around?

    Ugh.

    Can't he rapture them all?
    Anyone with a belief in something other than Tito's and gossip should be saved, raptured, delivered, whatever. That should clear 'em all out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MontanaMama View Post
    Anyone with a belief in something other than Tito's and gossip should be saved, raptured, delivered, whatever. That should clear 'em all out.
    OMG! Based on recommendations from this board, I tried Tito's for the first time on New Year's Eve........Best. Vodka. Evar! Thank you, all you damn drunks!

    Edited to add: looks like I better hurry and and get in all my Tito's drinkin' before the end times.......
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