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    Quote Originally Posted by A*O View Post
    Indian society is still dominated by the caste system. The higher caste minority middle class tends to be educated and more sophisticated than the vast majority low caste/peasant population who have little or no education and who still live by these shocking attitudes towards women. These poor girls are probably better off dead because as "damaged goods" they could never marry and would remain a "burden" to their ashamed and dishonoured family. India is still operating in the Middle Ages at many levels and I doubt it will ever change.
    Pretty much. India is so vast and so diverse though, it's like a continent.
    My brother in law is Indian but they're upper middle class and absolutely secular and westernised, most of his family members - men and women - studied abroad and the women are just as ambitious as the men, if not more. Case in point: his cousin lives in New York, and she made so much money in finance that at 37 or 38 she 'retired' and now does just the odd consulting job, mostly just to keep herself busy. Her husband is Indian and is ok with her being the breadwinner.
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    I grew up in India in a big city. Growing up it was a part of life to have random guys catcall you, 'bump' into you, grope you and rub themselves against you (if you were on the bus). I can't recall the number of times a random guy decided he would follow me home. I lived 10 miles away from my college, and yes, he would follow me home all the way. Sometimes they showed up outside my house too, just staring and leering. I'm no supermodel, and neither were my friends. This just happened to most women.

    It's funny to me after coming to the US that I don't have to give a fuck about what I wear because most people don't even give you a second glance. Back home, I had to pick out my clothes carefully. Too tight, too short, too deep and you know you'll have to ward off unwanted attention the entire time you were out. Another big difference is that here people take a long time to say 'I love you' (especially the guy). In India, a guy can decide he's in love with you as soon as he's seen you and even come up to you to let you know. They don't think it's ridiculous at all. Of course not all men are creepy like I described. But there are a lot like them.
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    In a society where men and women have few, if any, opportunities to mingle socially then I guess it's inevitable that women become objectified and lusted after by all those testosterone bomb sexually frustrated males. I wonder if easy access to netporn with unattainable fantasy women merely exacerbates the problem. It's not a culture I'd be comfortable living in.
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    India has incredible issues, but they certainly dont have an exclusive on this type of horrible act. Women are raped and murdered everywhere, everyday.



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    About 9 or 10 years ago, we had a junior engineer here who was Indian. Gorgeous and really sweet personality. I think she was early 20's, and her parents owned some small business. Anyway, she started dating and fell in love with a muslim guy, so her family sold their business and moved from here to Rhode Island. Yes, because of the boyfriend....
    Yes, not surprised. Hindus and Indian Muslims have a very long and violence filled history. The animosity runs pretty deep even now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A*O View Post
    In a society where men and women have few, if any, opportunities to mingle socially then I guess it's inevitable that women become objectified and lusted after by all those testosterone bomb sexually frustrated males. I wonder if easy access to netporn with unattainable fantasy women merely exacerbates the problem. It's not a culture I'd be comfortable living in.
    Absolutely. Men and women are not allowed to mingle romantically at all, atleast with the consent of the parents that is. Even when girls have guy friends, the parents are very wary of the whole situation and look at it like it's ticking time bomb. Most of my friends had boyfriends and girlfriends in college (the parents didn't know), but they were all mostly upper middle class or above and very well educated. Those men usually don't pose a problem.

    Speaking of being objectified, there was this incident in my hometown a couple years ago. A group of guys started harassing a girl on a train. The girl pleaded with the other passengers to help when they started molesting her. Nobody obliged. She tried to resist them and told them she would call the police when the train reached the next station. The guys were enraged and pushed her off the train when it was going over a bridge. She fell on a dry river bed and was grievously injured.

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    This is heartbreaking to read, as well as your recollections *Kat*.
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    SO SO SICK,
    In Sri Lanka they have a solution for rape.


    http://www.buzzfeed.com/jinamoore/sr...-their-victims
    When Sri Lanka’s top gender official suggested that women marry the men who had raped them in order to reduce the number of sexual assaults in the country, he stumbled on a problem: what if the rape survivors are underage?
    Tissa Karaliyadda, Sri Lanka’s (male) minister of child development and women’s affairs, suggested rapists would have to wait until their victims reach 18, the legal age of consent for sexual intercourse in the country.
    But Sri Lankan President Mahinda Rajapaksa thinks his minster is just plain wrong, according to reports in local media.
    Wait until they’re 18? No way, he suggested on Friday. Marry them now.
    “If under aged girls are statutorily raped and the sexual act was however with consent, it may be good to have legislation that allows the perpetrator to marry the ‘victim’ with her consent,” local media quoted Rajapaksa saying.

    Yeah because normally sex with underaged girls is consensually .
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    The “Solution” to Sexual Assault in Sri Lanka - The Borgen Project[
    Chamal Rajapaksa, current Speaker of the Parliament and also the elder brother of President Rajapaksa, believes that “nobody can make men responsible for the violence against women. Women are responsible for it.”

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    *jaw drops @ Kasippu's post*

    Just what in the blazin' fuk is WRONG with these countries???!!!!!! I know we have such astrocities in the western hemisphere but not even close to the scale and absurdity that exist there. I just finished reading an article in the local paper of a Saskatchewan man turned in by his friend who discovered he raped children in Thailand. The article says it is so blatant that grown men can be seen walking down the street in broad daylight with their "victim" like it's nothing.
    I'm just .. well... the jaw is still on the floor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whitetigeress View Post
    *jaw drops @ Kasippu's post*

    Just what in the blazin' fuk is WRONG with these countries???!!!!!! I know we have such astrocities in the western hemisphere but not even close to the scale and absurdity that exist there. I just finished reading an article in the local paper of a Saskatchewan man turned in by his friend who discovered he raped children in Thailand. The article says it is so blatant that grown men can be seen walking down the street in broad daylight with their "victim" like it's nothing.
    I'm just .. well... the jaw is still on the floor.
    Don't kid yourself. Its not just 'these' countries. Almost 700,000 women are raped in the us annually by some estimates. Children are raped in the west too.
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    I probably said this before, but I had actually thought things would get better for Indian women as the ratio of available men to available women increased because of all the abortions and infanticide (I do see the flaw in my logic because of how this reflects entrenched attitudes about the lack of value of women in general). Instead, it seems to have led to even more desperation and more sense of entitlement that a man can take what he wants. And not just one, several - which means there are even more gang rapes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    Don't kid yourself. Its not just 'these' countries. Almost 700,000 women are raped in the us annually by some estimates. Children are raped in the west too.

    AGREED but if Obama or any government in the west came out with the beauty 'If he rapes her, he has to marry her, EVEN if she is underaged???
    Or that if a woman is violated, a man cannot be blamed. MY jaw has dropped here so so many times.
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    seriously, US politicians aren't much better.......
    Rep. Roger Rivard (R - Wisc.): “some girls, they rape so easy.”
    Georgia Senator Chambliss: Military Rape is Just Part of "Nature"
    "Well, bad weather is like rape: if it's inevitable, you might as well relax and enjoy it" Clayton Williams, then Texas’s Republican gubernatorial nominee
    'Legitimate rape' rarely leads to pregnancy, claims US Senate candidate Todd Aiken
    GOP veep candidate Paul Ryan should probably have consulted a dictionary before laying out the conditions for a No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act, which he cosponsored with Akin himself in 2011. The bill said taxpayer dollars could only go toward aborting pregnancies that resulted from “forcible rape”... apparently it’s important to distinguish between regular old rape and “forcible rape.”
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    The problem is that we need consistent statistics to make an apples-to-apples comparison of India to the United States. And reliable statistics are difficult to come by.

    I think the other issue is that this combines with a perception that India has a low regard for women in general. You have an untouchables underclass that police are reluctant to protect. You have things like very high abortion rates for girls relative to boys. Arranged marriages. Dowries and threats to the bride's family if the dowry isn't big enough. All of that combines to make it seem like India would be a really oppressive place for women compared to other countries.
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    India culturally does have a low regard for women, but I'd say that most rape stats are the same regardless of which nation's are looked at. The issues that underpin rape cross borders, and are more gender specific than nationalist. That's why even here in the 'enlightened first world' rape culture is a thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    India culturally does have a low regard for women, but I'd say that most rape stats are the same regardless of which nation's are looked at. The issues that underpin rape cross borders, and are more gender specific than nationalist. That's why even here in the 'enlightened first world' rape culture is a thing.
    Yeah, I just went over to the Wiki page on international rape statistics. Besides the fact that the entries are written differently, you are not going to find (from what I could see) stark differences in statistics between the US and India on that crime. That being said, when you have mass protests in the streets like happened after the bus rape attack last year, and women refusing to let the police cut down bodies hanging from trees, you probably do have a starker problem. It's just harder to quantify.

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