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    I really,really like the baby,s hair color..that said,yeah,blonde angel no longer..let,s see if they can give that poor mite a chance in life!
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    The chubby ginger one is so cute!
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    I really hope that don't give that child back to her parents.

    Now I am really intrigued by this whole "gypsy" thing. We don't have them in Iowa, at least, not where I'm at. Or, maybe they are and I'm just extremely sheltered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by louiswinthorpe111 View Post
    I really hope that don't give that child back to her parents.
    Which set? Personally I don't think she should be sent back to either lot.
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    DNA has confirmed Maria is the child of the Roma couple.

    A DNA test has confirmed a Bulgarian Roma woman is the mother of a mystery girl known as Maria, found living with a Roma couple in Greece.
    Bulgaria's Interior Ministry announced the results of the test Friday after matching Sasha Ruseva's DNA with that of Maria.

    But Ruseva, 35, and husband Atanas, 37, are now believed to be in hiding in fear of arrest for child trafficking.

    The couple fled their one-room hovel in Nikolaevo just hours after they were forced to provide blood and saliva for DNA tests to confirm Maria as their child.

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    A DNA test has confirmed Sasha Ruseva a Bulgarian Roma woman is the mother of a mystery girl known as Maria, found living with a couple in Greece









    Mother-of-ten Sasha Ruseva, 35, (children, left) claims she did not sell Maria (right), who is now four years old



    'Maria' latest: 'Parents' questioned in Bulgaria





    Neighbour Stanka Boyanova, 21, said: ‘Sasha is in hiding. She is frightened that she will be arrested and sent to jail.’
    The feckless couple left two of their ten children, Philip, 10, and Minka, 14, behind to fend for themselves in the squalor of the gypsy camp on the edge of town.
    Mrs Ruseva claims she did not sell Maria, now four, but was forced to leave her daughter with a friend in Greece as a baby because she could not afford the legal documents required to take her home to Bulgaria.
    The DNA test results will dash the hopes of Jeremy Irwin, 31, and Deborah Bradley, 30, an American couple who had their daughter Lisa taken from their Kansas City home more than two years ago and contacted Greek authorities hoping that the missing girl could be theirs.'

    Minka Ruseva, daughter of Sasha Ruseva, covers her face today


    A woman with the name Sasha Ruseva has twice previously been arrested for trying to sell babies in Greece

    The Daily Mail can reveal that a woman with Sasha Ruseva's name has twice previously been arrested for trying to sell babies in Greece – and on both occasions skipped bail.
    The Mail tracked down Mrs Ruseva to an impoverished gypsy camp in Nikolaevo in rural Bulgaria where her family share a one-room home without running water.

    Her husband has an albino gene in his family that may have resulted in Maria’s blonde hair and pale complexion.
    Today police toured the settlement searching for the couple further details of the heart-breaking Roma trade in children began to emerge.

    Neighbour Stoyan Kolev, 42, told the Daily Mail said: ‘It is very common for Roma women from this village to go to Greece and sell their children there.

    ‘They do this constantly because they are so poor and miserable here. They are starving.

    ‘Women go to Greece when they are about six months pregnant. They give birth there, they sell the child and then they come back.

    ‘They sell one of the kids in order to feed the others. We Roma often have eight or more children it is impossible to feed them.

    ‘That is why we have to resort to these desperate measures.

    ‘The living conditions here are terrible. Two weeks ago we were flooded up to our knees in water.
    ‘Even the mice and the snakes came out of their holes and fled.’ Gypsy children are sold for just £4,000, Mr Kolev, himself a Roma gypsy, claimed.

    EXCLUSIVE: 'Maria' dancing in Greek gypsy camp in September





    He said: ‘The going price for a child is not Euro 50,000 it is never more than Euro 5,000. The parents usually spend the money in Greece and by the time they get back here they have hardly anything left, just enough to buy some food for their kids.’
    Mrs Boyanova added: ‘I know a girl from this village who has sold two of her children in Greece. Her mother married her off to a man from a nearby town, Nova Zagora. He beat her and forced her to go to Greece and sell their child.’ DNA test results from blood and saliva taken from Sasha Ruseva and husband Atanas will not be released for ten days, a source within the Bulgarian police has revealed.

    Chief Inspector Stoicho Kracholov told the Daily Mail: ‘The Rusev parents were questioned about Maria but not arrested. The main thing is to find out if these people are Maria’s parents.’

    Child protection officers yesterday said even if the Rusevs are Maria’s parents she would not be released into their custody.

    Child protection worker Diana Kaneva said: ‘If Maria is coming back to Bulgaria she will be placed in a child crisis centre. We will find her new parents that will adopt her.’

    Mrs Ruseva became suicidal when told Maria would never return to Nikolaevo.

    This is the family's one-bedroom home in the impoverished gypsy camp in Nikolaevo in rural Bulgaria



    Mrs Ruseva, who was just 13 when she had her first child, said she was pregnant with Maria when she went to Greece to work as a field hand on a farm with her husband

    Social services visit Roma camp thought to be home of 'Maria'





    Neighbour Rumyana Jekova, 33, said: ‘Sasha became hysterical. She started talking about suicide.

    She wanted to end her life because she was so ashamed that they had accused of selling her baby.
    ‘She said she would go to the woods and hang herself.

    Today Mrs Ruseva's eldest daughter Katya confirmed her mother had left 'blonde angel' Maria in Greece.

    Pale skinned Katya, 29, a mum-of-two, said: 'My mum was going to go back to Greece and get Maria back but didn't have the money.

    'Maria wasn't sold. It wasn't for money.

    'My mum has not been able to stop crying since Maria was found.
    'She left her there because she didn't have the money to take her to Bulgaria.

    'If my mum had sold her for hundred of Euros we would all be living in a much, much better place than this. Look at it.'
    Mystery had surrounded the identity of the parents of the blue-eyed girl since she was discovered after police raided a Roma gypsy camp in central Greece last week.
    A couple who posed as her parents for four years to make money from her begging are believed to have bought the child for £850.

    Maria’s case attracted global attention, with thousands of calls from people who believe they may know her identity.

    Mrs Ruseva wept yesterday as she insisted: ‘I did not sell Maria, nor did I give her away. For the past four years I have never forgotten Maria. I pray for her every day. I want her back, I want her back.’
    Mrs Ruseva, who was just 13 when she had her first child, said she was pregnant with Maria when she went to Greece to work as a field hand on a farm with her husband.

    She said her eldest daughter remained in Bulgaria to look after her other children but that arrangement stopped when she got married and wanted to move out, forcing Mrs Ruseva to return home.

    Mrs Ruseva said: 'Look at us, look at the place we live. We don't have anything.'



    Greek police chief Astelios Matziokas said: 'This information is the best lead we have for finding Maria's parents.'

    She claimed she could not bring Maria back with her as the Greek authorities required she pay ‘hundreds of euros’ for a birth certificate for her daughter, which she could not afford.

    She said: ‘I gave birth to Maria about four and a half years ago. I can’t remember the exact date.

    ‘I cared for Maria for seven months but I had to come back to Bulgaria look after my other children.

    ‘I left my daughter with my room-mate. She is also Roma. When I left Maria I asked the woman to send her to Bulgaria. But she hasn’t. I cannot remember her name, it was four years ago.

    ‘I missed Maria but I don’t have any money so I did not know what to do. I called the woman several times and I knew she was safe and well. I don’t know why she kept her so long, why they did not send her back to me.

    ‘I don’t have enough money to call the woman in Greece any more so I stopped trying to get in touch with her. I didn’t know what was happening with my child. But I have never stopped wanting her, she is my own flesh and blood.’

    Mrs Ruseva and her husband registered the birth of a child four years ago at a hospital in Lamia, an hour from the Farsala camp where Maria was found.

    Greek police think Maria may have been sold on by a baby-smuggling gang who offer newborns to childless couples for up to £22,000.

    The news will dash the hopes of Jeremy Irwin, 31, and Deborah Bradley, 30, an American couple who had their daughter Lisa taken from their Kansas City home more than two years ago and contacted Greek authorities hoping that the missing girl could be theirs

    It is believed that Maria was sold for a knockdown price because police were moving in on child smugglers in the area.

    Judicial records show that a Sasha Ruseva was arrested in early 2009 – the same period as Maria was handed to the gipsies in Greece – on suspicion of trying to sell a baby, but she skipped bail and escaped with the child.

    In January this year a Sasha Ruseva was arrested in Thessaloniki, close to the Bulgarian border, for the same offence. On that occasion a child was taken into care and the mother was charged but disappeared before a court hearing.

    Sotiris Koutsobelis, deputy mayor of Lamia, the town where Maria was born, told the Mail last night: ‘It seems that Ruseva has been selling babies all along.’

    An ID card for a baby – the only documentation needed for it to be taken between Greece and Bulgaria – costs just 15 euros (£12.80).


    A man claiming to be Mrs Ruseva’s brother last night alleged she had sold Maria for 250 euros, contradicting her account.

    The man, who asked not to be named, told local radio: ‘We knew that my sister had a child in Greece, and gave it to friends there because it was impossible to support it, but she and her husband would see her quite often in Farsala. They still love Maria very much. She told us that the couple paid her 250 euros for the child.’

    Mrs Ruseva and her husband were arrested and questioned for a few hours yesterday morning by Bulgarian police as part of a joint operation with Greek officers. Mr Rusev said: ‘I never got any money for Maria. The police asked us questions about her, but we don’t know anything. We told them we want her back.’

    He added: ‘I can’t remember all of my children’s names because there are so many of them.’

    His brother said Mr Rusev has been ‘out of his mind’ since he first saw a picture of Maria on Bulgarian television two days ago and has barely stopped drinking since. The family survive on child benefit payments of £40 a month from the Bulgarian state and live on potato soup and homemade bread.

    Charged: Hristos Salis (right) told the court he did not want Maria (centre) in the house as he tried to blame his wife, Eleftheria Dimopoulou (left), for taking the child

    Mrs Ruseva said: ‘Look at us, look at the place we live. We don’t have anything. We have only one bed. Three of the children sleep in it. The rest of us have to lie on the floor.

    ‘I don’t know how to pay for their clothes. That is why I send them to school dirty and without shoes or clothes. Look at me. Look at how dirty I am.’ DNA testing is being carried out on Mrs Ruseva and the authorities have collected information about her trips to Greece in recent years.

    Greek police chief Astelios Matziokas said: ‘This information is the best lead we have for finding Maria’s parents.’
    Hristos Salis, 39, and Eleftheria Dimopoulou, 40, who posed as Maria’s parents, are in custody in Greece accused of child abduction.

    Maria’s case has spurred concerns about child trafficking within the Roma community, as well as accusations of racism towards them.

    In an episode apparently prompted by the Greek case, two blond, blue-eyed children were taken by police in Ireland from their Roma parents who had different physical characteristics.

    The girl and boy were returned to their families on Wednesday after DNA tests determined the children were rightfully theirs.

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    Seeing the living conditions of that family, I can't really blame the woman for selling her child, if that is indeed what happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twitchy2.0 View Post
    Seeing the living conditions of that family, I can't really blame the woman for selling her child, if that is indeed what happened.
    I agree. But I'm so saddened by the fact she can't remember the name of the woman who she gave her child to. Like the poor thing was just so disposable to her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charmed Hour View Post
    I agree. But I'm so saddened by the fact she can't remember the name of the woman who she gave her child to. Like the poor thing was just so disposable to her.
    She probably didn't want to reveal it. The Roma live very secretive lives. At first, I was shocked the Rusevas couldn't remember the names of all their kids. Then it made sense. Most aren't living with them and probably aren't registered. Giving their names to the police might cause further investigation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by louiswinthorpe111 View Post
    Now I am really intrigued by this whole "gypsy" thing. We don't have them in Iowa, at least, not where I'm at. Or, maybe they are and I'm just extremely sheltered.
    If there are any, they probably aren't Roma, but Irish Travelers. Several years ago, there was a story out of South Bend, IN where a Traveler mother had her child taken away after surveillance video showed her beating the child in a Kohl's parking lot. (The Traveler women are apparently known for shoplifting and returning items for cash.) It brought a ton of news coverage about the Travelers and I remember reading up about them. I think they're mainly in the south but come up north now and then looking for work and/or scams.

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    Hounded in Europe, Roma in the U.S. Keep a Low Profile


    This week hundreds of Roma in Italy watched as their long-established homes in Milan were bulldozed to the ground. The act of racism came just weeks after France evicted Roma from their camps and forced them to board flights bound for Romania and Bulgaria, where they experience seemingly inescapable poverty and hate. Europe's largest and most widespread minority continues to experience school segregation in Slovakia, and targeted acts of violence, including murder, in Hungary. Yet their life in the U.S., while hardly perfect, has been a quiet success.


    In the U.S. the Roma, more commonly known as Gypsies, own successful family-run businesses, have their own internal legal system and hold onto what they can of their culture by coming together to celebrate christenings and holidays. But if you haven't seen this thriving community of emigres, that isn't an oversight. While touches of Roma culture are visible through their popular music, as a means of survival, in many ways the Roma have purposefully hidden themselves from sight. "The Roma world is thriving," says Ian Hancock, a Roma who serves as director of the Roma Archives and Documentation Center at the University of Texas at Austin. "It's just not visible to the outside world."


    Roma presence in the U.S. is nothing new. In fact, three Roma are said to have made the voyage as unwilling emigrants to the Americas aboard a ship with Christopher Columbus in his second journey to the New World in 1498. Today, estimates put the number of Roma in the U.S. at about one million. The largest wave came to the U.S. following the abolishment of Roma slavery in the Balkans in 1864. The more recent influx of Roma emigration has been steady since the 1989 collapse of Communism in eastern Europe.



    These American Roma are not homogenous. They speak different languages and come from different countries. While they have common ties of being Roma, a Hungarian Roma may have little in common their neighbors the Czech Roma. When the groups come to the U.S. they don't settle as one. Instead, they form pockets based on language, nationality or some other identifier. But while the divide may have hampered their identity, it may have helped them fold into society. "They're simply not present enough in the U.S. for anyone to hate them very much," Kushen said.

    But making a life in the West hasn't been easy. "We are people with an Asian culture — our language, our roots, our culture, our bloodline is Asian, but we live in the West," Hancock told TIME. "It's like a square peg in a round hole."

    Some states had laws that forbade the Roma from living as one with their fellow Americans. One law in New Jersey, enacted in 1917 and repealed in 1998, allowed Gypsies to be regulated more harshly than other groups by allowing local governments to craft laws and ordinances that specified where Gypsies could rent property, where they could entertain and what goods they could sell. Facing such discrimination, the Roma learned to hide and blend in.

    "Traditionally, nothing good has come from being identified Roma because the prejudice is so high," says Robert Kushen, executive director of the European Roma Rights Center. "There's never been any profit."


    Part of that prejudice comes from the pervasive stereotype that casts Roma as nomads, beggars, scammers and thieves. "People are looking for Esmeralda and wagons and horses and tambourines, but of course, they never see them because they don't exist," Hancock says. The real Roma may be your next door neighbors who are telling you they are Greek or Lebanese. "We're all taught as kids that you don't tell people you're Roma," he says. The distinction amounts to assimilating rather than integrating. Fearful of the racism they experience in Europe, Roma may work to shirk part of their identity. Once a Roma has achieved a degree of success, they may choose to no longer identify themselves as Roma, Kushen said, opting instead to identify with the country they herald from, be it Slovakia, Romania or France. But that means Roma new to the U.S. may struggle to find a community, and may see few visible role models of success.


    Whether more Roma will come to the U.S. in light of the deportations in Europe is anyone's guess. But as filmmaker Jasmine Dellal, who directed the film American Gypsy, says, "People are willing to try very hard when they cannot find a roof for their family or food for their kids — especially if they live somewhere where it is acceptable to think of Gypsies as inferior pariahs who don't deserve the same considerations as other human beings."


    Today, those that make their way to the U.S. are typically undocumented, do not speak English and have trouble finding steady legal employment. The first obstacle is the money for a plane ticket. As the poorest, most unemployed and least educated people in Europe, unless they have family already in the U.S. coming up with the money to cross the ocean may be impossible. Once in the U.S. they face deportation unless they can successfully gain political asylum due to the racist attacks they endure in their country of origin, but that is a lengthy legal process that doesn't always end in their favor. "It's too bad that it is so difficult," says Jakab Orsos, former director of the Hungarian Cultural Center in New York. "These large cities in the U.S. can offer a wonderful, perfect silence for the Gypsies."

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    Travelers can cause chaos when they descend on a community and a lot of old disused sites around here have had massive concrete blocks put across the entrances and exits to prevent them from setting up camp on the land as they amount of rubbish they leave behind is unreal. The worst incident we've had recently was when two rival Traveler families decided to settle their differences mid-Mass in a local Catholic church.
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    I'm having a hard time understanding or feeling empathy for people who acquire children to put them to work as beggars, or sell their own children because they can't feed the other 10 they have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kittylady View Post
    Travelers can cause chaos when they descend on a community and a lot of old disused sites around here have had massive concrete blocks put across the entrances and exits to prevent them from setting up camp on the land as they amount of rubbish they leave behind is unreal. The worst incident we've had recently was when two rival Traveler families decided to settle their differences mid-Mass in a local Catholic church.
    That sounds like my kind of mass - the kind that keeps me awake all the way until Communion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CornFlakegrl View Post
    I'm having a hard time understanding or feeling empathy for people who acquire children to put them to work as beggars, or sell their own children because they can't feed the other 10 they have.
    At this point, we don't know that's why they had kids. I'm guessing there isn't great access to either birth control or related sex education for these people either.

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    dear god, this woman produces some breathtaking children!
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