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    Word ^^^

    Smit took their money and claimed they were innocent. I'm not sure how claiming the garrote was manufactured at the scene of the murder excludes any Ramsey. To me it includes them, especially the person who knew where the paint brushes were kept.

    And as for the detective claiming because it was a vicious crime that Patsy is excluded is bull. There have been plenty of vicious crimes commited against children by their monthers; Andrea Yates, Susan Smith, Casey Anthony etc. Perpetuating the myth that females don't kill violently just allows more females to skate on murders they commit.

    With regards to the ransom note, John Ramsey was excluded as the writer but no one could ever say that Patsy wasn't the writer, no matter how many writing samples she gave them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseguy View Post
    This makes a lot of sense to me. I don't believe the Ramsey family had anything to do with JonBenet's death and there is plenty of evidence to show that an intruder sexually assaulted her and murdered her. The Boulder police screwed this case up so badly that a lot of the early information implicating the Ramsey's has been disproved.


    What is the "plenty of evidence?" There is much more evidence that points to the Ramsey's. So many times Patsy Ramsey lied to police. Her story was never consistent. What is this evidence you're referring to? Evidence that pointed to an intruder was scarce.

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    It's not unusual at all for a killer to use items nearby the victim, and use those items to attack or kill them. Also, the ransom note was probably written before JonBenet was killed, with the intent to abduct her.


    If thats the case, and the plan was to kidnap her, what kind of idiotic kidnappper doesn't bring their own note? Furthermore, why was a PRACTICE note found in the house? The fact that this sexual predator (which is a whole lot of BS when you look at all the evidence) breaks into someone's house, with obviously no fear of being caught, didn't bring their OWN fucking flashlight to get around this ENORMOUS house in the dark, is absurd. How confident they were that they would find EVERYTHING they needed. It doesn't make sense. And the note was ridiculously long, and the handwriting was deliberately disguised. The note was a cover up. Jonbenet was already dead, and it sounds like the ramblings of someone frantic who didn't know what they were doing but were desperate to throw police off track. They also had ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD to do it. And the dog in the house never barked? This bugs me, because Dog owners know that dogs are light sleepers, they go mental over anything. It would've noticed Jonbenet being dragged from her bed all the way to the basement of the house by an unknown intruder. The ramseys heard zilch? COME ON. Plus, an intruder would have just broken in and killed her. Even if the kidnapping had gone wrong, they could have taken the body out of the house and demanded money for her remains. It doesn't make ANY SENSE to leave a note AFTER they've killed her.

    Also, the Ramseys didn't take the note seriously at all. The note said the house was being monitored and if you call police, she'll be killed. Patsy called EVERYONE. As one cop said "She put her daughters life in danger right then." The note also said "We'll call between 8am and 10am and give you instructions." When 8am and 10am passed, neither John or Patsy mentioned that the kidnappers HAD NOT CALLED. Thats highly unusual considering they have no reason at that stage to believe that the kidnapping was bogus and she was already dead in the house. Except they did know, because they did it. I dunno about you, but I'd be screaming "WHY HAVEN'T THEY CALLED!? WHAT DO WE DO IF THEY DON'T CALL!?"



    Quote Originally Posted by sprynkles View Post
    That guy does make some good points, like Patsy would have been too upset to write that note. But I'll never be convinced she didn't until someone else says they did it. It's her writing, and the dollar amount is a strange thing.


    He can't say that as fact though. It's a guess that a parent would be too distraught to cover up a crime, but we don't know Patsy and John Ramsey. From what came out about Patsy later, she was a nutcase, overly concerned with her family's image. She was als on medication for mental illness. The fact she told a crying and cold Jonbenet after a pageant win, while they were celebrating in a restaurant ,that she couldn't wear a coat because she was still on display says a lot about this woman's warped thinking. According to the ramsey's housekeeper, she was ANGRY at her SIX year old daughter for still wearing pull ups that were "bulky" under her pageant dresses. I'm sorry, but the woman was messed up, and apparently John Ramsey was barely around, he spent more of his time away on business trips than in his home with Patsy and the kids. Pageant mothers are FAR from normal, for a start, and I 100% believe she would write that note if it meant protecting the Ramsey reputation and to keep herself out of prison, because no matter what, she would have gone down for manslaughter.

    Also Patsy told police that Jonbenet loved pageants while family friends said Jonbenet was a sad child and would kick her mother over competing in pageants. She wanted normalcy. Patsy even had Jonbenet perform for her school that December of 1996. Jonbenet was under a lot of pressure.

    Also, Lou Smit says she was viciously strangled when the autopsy revealed she died from the blow to the head. Had she been viciously strangled, that would have been the cause of death. The strangulation was part of the cover up for an accidental knock to the head that killed her. OR the garrotte - which was an odd device if it was purely intended to kill a 6 year old because it had a handle attached to it that an adult wouldn't need - looked like it was a sex toy. If it's true that John Ramsey had child pornography on his computer, it's possible that he played these games with Jonbenet. Or he allowed someone else to. If you look at Jonbenet all dolled up, this "child" looked alarmingly sexy. Not only that, she had heard the term because she told her housekeeper that for Halloween she was dressing up as a "sexy witch." This could be significant, or maybe not, but I find all this disturbing.

    Another thing that points to Ramsey guilt in my opinion: Jonbenet was wrapped in a blanket. John carried her in the blanket out of the basement when he found her dead body. Who viciously kills a child, so the intruder theory goes, then wraps her in what was apparently her favorite blanket? That screams of a parent - who is deeply sorry and saddened - leaving their child in a peaceful, comfortable state.

    I don't believe she was deliberately murdered, but she was an abused child. She alway had bruises, had to see a doctor countless times for bladder problems, wet the bed, soiled the bed, and I really think her death was a beating gone wrong, or a sexual game gone wrong. Or Patsy walked in on her husband, son, or someone else in the house, molesting Jonbenet and lost it.


    No theory that doesn't point to someone in the house being the perpetrator, makes any sense. Or answers all the questions.
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    “There is no motive for a parent to do this,” he says. “It’s not a mother waking up in the middle of the night saying, ‘Oops, I think I hurt my child. Oops, I gotta bring her downstairs and fashion one of these things. Then I’m gonna put it around her neck and I’m gonna tighten it a couple times while she’s struggling. blah blah blah....
    what utter bullshit, so parents aren't sadistic child murderers and child abusers? Wake up and smell the coffee!
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    ^That reminds me! In the film based on the crime and Lawrence Schiller's book "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town" the guy who was playing Lou Smit was saying "A parent isn't capable of this crime" Pfftt. And the smart detective basically went "What world are you living in!"

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    Good post Dita. I didn't know some of that information. Interesting..

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    I read a lot about this case. I'm fascinated with it, but i had to stop because it was doing my head in and i was having nightmares about the girl and the crime. I can understand why police and detectives retired. To be fair, I also read "The Death of Innocence" by Jonbenet's parents, and they succesfully convinced me for 5 seconds that they had nothing to do with it, but many more books changed my mind again. Sorry, but the evidence against them is undeniable.

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    Dita, I think that everyone has a point where they just have to say "enough!". My father worked in forensics for many years, since I was a small child (well pre-CSI) and he finally had his "enough" point when he got a violent rape of a girl my age (maybe I should say young woman as we were both in our 20s then) and also an abused baby. He used to do his own photographs as the police labs at that time weren't accurate or developed enough to show his evidence. He'd had to take photos of the rape victim and he was very aware of how upsetting it was for her to have him, a strange man, do this. He quit that week.
    What differenciates us from the abusers is that we have this point whereas they, psychologically accelerate & disassemble.
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    I remember also they said she had genital bruising from masturbation or molestation they could not tell. I wonder what her poor brother had to endure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Novice View Post
    what utter bullshit, so parents aren't sadistic child murderers and child abusers? Wake up and smell the coffee!
    Gasp! I think this is the first time we've agreed on something

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    I think if there was some vicious, savage killer on the loose, he would have killed someone else by now.

    I always thought that Burke did it, and the parents came up with the whole murder/molestation to take any focus away from Burke.
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    I didn't realize John Ramsey had children from a previous marriage... that also brings in an interesting view. I wonder if they have some insight.

    There are so many suspects in this case, all so close to the family I don't buy the random murderer scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by olivia View Post
    Lou Smit became a Ramsey shill for lots of money and a book deal.
    That's incorrect. Smit was a highly regarded detective (held the title of Captain of Detectives) who had worked for 30 years on some of the state's most notorious murders. He was asked by the Colorado DA to come out of retirement with the sole purpose of proving the Ramsey's had murdered their daughter. There is a documentary on the hell he went through when he went back to the DA and concluded that the Boulder police had stuffed up the whole investigation and that there was no doubt in his mind that there was a great deal of evidence to show that an intruder had killed JonBenet. Smit came under a lot of pressure (including having files closed to him - he had to get a court order to access them) and these files showed the extent of the Boulder police incompetence, including the fact that DNA evidence had not been processed, which proved that foreign DNA was evident at the source of the crime scene.

    After he resigned and faced a smear campaign from the DA, he was employed by the Ramsey family to continue to clear their name. What is the problem with that? Are the Ramsey family not allowed to have someone help them? Smit was a 30 year veteran of homicides and he went to his death saying that the Ramsey's were innocent. Not exactly the credentials of a man who could be easily bought and sold.

    Smit's credibility is completely shot. He gave all the withheld police information to a pedophile in Thailand to later identify the guy as a culprit. No one believes a single thing Smit has to say anymore since he totally violated police procedure for the Ramsey$$$.
    Where is your source for this? John Mark Kerr was publicly admitting to killing Jon Benet and was a known pedophile who was living in Thailand. Was this kind of information supposed to be ignored?

    There was, in fact, zero evidence of an intruder in the Ramsey house that night.
    Oh please. I have just posted PLENTY of evidence to show an intruder murdered JonBenet.

    Patsy did it.
    Based on what evidence??? Information from the incompetent Boulder police who stuffed this whole case up from day one??


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    I think it was one of the family members, that it happened in the house. There was a lot of weirdness surrounding this case. The family skipped out of town almost immediately after the dad found the body (he disappeared in the house for about 30 minutes--nobody knew where he was and came back and said he'd found her). So they flew out of town and if I remember correctly, didn't want to give their clothes (the ones they wore) to the police. Another thing that always gave me the heebie jeebies is the pineapple. I guess we'll never know for sure but their actions were at minimum suspicious as HELL.

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    Lou Smit was a joke. He's invented many things, including the broken basement window, use of a stun gun (which has been debunked by the coroner who actually examined JonBenet's body as well as weapons experts and stun gun manufacturers). He used to give information all over the internet and yes, he was on the Ramseys' payroll, including acting as their spokesman.

    Lou Smit was never "beloved" by the Boulder PD. Many thought he was a decent detective years ago but that he was a loon. Before he even knew anything about the case, he proclaimed that John and Patsy were "good Christians" (Smit was a fundamentalist Christian) and therefore couldn't have committed such a crime, he also stated that "parents could never do this." The DA at the time who brought Smit in was a politician who couldn't make up with mind about anything.

    Smit's paltry "evidence" of an intruder has been debunked so many times as either twisting of the actual evidence or just plain made up (like the "stun gun," which pro-Ramsey people don't even take seriously anymore) that it's basically not worth it.

    Smit also had a hand in the whole John Mark Kerr debacle which was a sad episode that just illustrated the whole desperation of the "intruder theorists," who latched on to someone with certainty despite the fact that the guy was proven to have been in another state when the crime was committed. Kerr was fed details of the crime by an pro-Ramsey enthusiast to make his story make sense.
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    Thanks Rehab, for taking the time to enumerate all the Smit details. I was about to launch into it myself. Thank goodness you did it before me!

    Smit destroyed whatever good reputation he may have had as a cop by concocting evidence for Ramsey innocence. He helped sully the waters in the investigation for an enormous paycheck. His credibility is nil.

    "I remember also they said she had genital bruising from masturbation or molestation they could not tell."

    JB had vaginal irritation and frequent urinary infections in the past. I agree with the theories that this wasn't from sexual abuse but from Patsy's obsession with keeping JB clean as the girl was still soiling her bed.

    I also agree with the theories that John put the kids to bed that night and forgot JB's pull-ups. Patsy went to check on JB later that night and found another soiled bed. Rage took over, with John, her cancer, her increasingly rebellious daughter who was refusing to dress like a Patsy mini-me anymore, with the weight of trying to be the perfect family during the holidays.

    She yanked JB out of bed (bruising) and dragged her to the bathroom for another cleaning. Something happened there, something horrible, and JonBenet's head was slammed into one of the fixtures.

    The next bit of this scenario is really hard to stomach, so I'll leave it at this. I, too, was close to obsessed with the case for a few months. I read everything I could get my hands on. I realized I had gone too far when during dinner I started elaborating on all the evidence to the horror of my friends.

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