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    I just can't imagine walking in the city all alone at nearly 2am, even for 5 mins, it just seems unsafe and makes you an easier target, but maybe she had done it many times before. This is really sad and I feel awful for her family, but I am glad they got answers right away and the murderer was found. With this guy's history she may not be the only woman he has raped and/or killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadDwarf View Post
    I just can't imagine walking in the city all alone at nearly 2am, even for 5 mins, it just seems unsafe and makes you an easier target, but maybe she had done it many times before. This is really sad and I feel awful for her family, but I am glad they got answers right away and the murderer was found. With this guy's history she may not be the only woman he has raped and/or killed.
    We were out at night in Melbourne around that time in 2001, when I was there to present a paper. I just checked the map. We were at the Carlton Crest, which is just a couple of miles from where Meagher was attacked/abducted. The overall area seemed really safe (I loved the black swans on Albert Park Lake), with great public transportation, but a lot can change in 11 years, and within the span of a few city blocks.

    A restaurant there, however, had the worst curry chicken I've ever had in my entire life.

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    It doesn't matter how safe an area usually is, all it takes is for one crazy to be passing through.

    Stories like this make me shudder to think about when I was young and thought I was indestructible and I regularly walked home alone past two public parks and a nature park/dam in the early hours of the morning. I'm very grateful now that I didn't ever run into any trouble but if I could go back in time I'd give my younger self a good, hard slap upside the head for being so stupid.
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    She was drunk (clearly unsteady on her feet in the CCTV) and refused assistance home from her drinking buddies so her judgment was obviously impaired to add to the stupid risk she took in the first place. I bet her husband now wishes he'd gone to pick her up from the bar at 2am where she'd been drinking for several hours.
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    The husband obviously fell asleep, this article explains a bit.

    'Meet me at the pub'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarzy View Post
    Someone on websleuths put his picture next to some of the photo-fits from other attacks in the area. I think they are pretty similar.

    Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased Australia - Jill Meagher, 29, Melbourne, 22 Sep 2012 #3

    For people without an account (or, like me, keep forgetting their password):



    source: Websleuths' Jill Meagher thread (page 3)





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    Quote Originally Posted by arie_skop View Post
    The husband obviously fell asleep, this article explains a bit.

    'Meet me at the pub'


    The public's response was overwhelming, with 550 calls made to Crime Stoppers. Disturbingly, many told of similar abduction attempts in the area that had not been reported to police. This is now the subject of a separate investigation.

    Read more: 'Meet me at the pub'
    Fuuuuuuck.


    The suspect was ultimately identified internally by the homicide squad and by late Wednesday they had a name: Adrian Ernest Bayley, 41, of Coburg.

    The surveillance squad, known as ''The Dogs'', was called in to watch Bayley for two reasons: to see if he acted suspiciously and to make sure he couldn't strike again.

    Read more: 'Meet me at the pub'
    You're right a*o - known to the cops so they got him quicker.



    Pssst Arie - that's an excellent article. Good on ya for finding it; I'm impressed by your news hound skills. But pretty please copy and paste the full articles. I'll post more lolcats if you do!
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    Yes, that article from The Age was really impressive, and very detailed. And, it's really disturbing to hear this guy has been convicted before and let free.

    I will post more articles if I find anymore good ones.
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    Here's another interesting article, revealing more details about that night.


    The long arm of modern technology

    Date September 30, 2012 John Mangan and Cameron Houston




    The CCTV footage of Jill Meagher captured by the Sydney Road shop.

    THE closed-circuit security footage from a Sydney Road shop was only part of the technological arsenal police used to investigate the murder of Jill Meagher.
    Sometime after the moment Ms Meagher was captured on CCTV speaking to her alleged killer, police will allege he removed the SIM card from her phone, sources told The Sunday Age yesterday.
    But not before investigators used information provided by Vodafone and the operators of the CityLink tollway to narrow the search for their main suspect. The Sunday Age understands cameras on the Tullamarine Freeway may have captured footage that helped lead to Adrian Bayley's arrest.
    Even though Ms Meagher's phone was low on power and had turned itself off, it could still be traced, said Nigel Phair, director of the Centre for Internet Safety at the University of Canberra and a former officer with the Australian Federal Police.
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    The location of common smartphones with geo-location devices, such as the iPhone or Android phones, could be traced to within a metre or so, he said. Less sophisticated mobile phones can still be tracked between transmitter towers.
    ''It depends on the phone and the carrier, but there's an awful lot of information coming from those phones,'' he said. ''If the phone is turned on, there's a lot more information available about its location, but even when turned off, they can give clues. Investigators may not be certain of locating the phone but there are some avenues of inquiry that may be productive.''
    The general manager of corporate affairs for Vodafone, Karina Keisler, confirmed that the carrier had assisted Victoria Police in their investigation.
    Mr Phair said that while people often talk about the cloak of anonymity the internet provides, in fact, the opposite is the case. ''We all leave digital footprints everywhere. The CCTV from a shop, if your car goes through a tolling point, using an ATM, they all leave a trace. The collar bomber in Sydney last year, for example, used an internet cafe and was picked up on CCTV.''
    Brian Smith, a specialist in mobile location-based services, said service providers keep track of phones when they are switched on, noting their nearest transmitter tower. They can also detect the phones' distance from the tower.
    ''Smartphones, which make up about 50 per cent of mobile phones, have a GPS in them which can be used by applications, such as Google Maps. They provide much more accurate information about location, and it's possible authorities could get access to this information without the phone owner knowing.''


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    FB is a control freak, it's so wrong they wont delete these pages.


    Facebook ignores police pleas to remove pages

    Date October 1, 2012 - 12:46PM

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    Hosier Lane's 20-metre long mural paying tribute to Jill Meagher. Photo: Penny Stephens

    Facebook is refusing to take down a page that is inciting hatred after a man was charged with raping and murdering ABC employee Jill Meagher, according to Victoria Police.
    Chief Commissioner Ken Lay said that, while social media had been enormously helpful in the investigation into Ms Meagher's death, police had contacted Facebook over the weekend and asked the social media giant to remove a particular page.
    Several pages have been created inciting hatred after Adrian Ernest Bayley, 41, was charged on Friday with raping and murdering Ms Meagher.
    "Now they've [Facebook] refused to do that, so we're just working our way through that about what we can do now," Mr Lay told radio station 3AW today.
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    "But it is disappointing, and when you see the public, the hatred that's incited by some of these sites, it is very much the antithesis of what we saw yesterday with 30,000 people taking to the streets saying 'Let's try and make this a safer and fairer community.'"
    Mr Lay said that, despite the horrific nature of the Irish woman's disappearance and death, Bayley, from Coburg, was entitled to a fair trial.
    "We will go through the process and let the courts make the determination and deal with it as they see fit. That's not for Facebook pages or anyone else to be taking justice into their own hands," he said.
    His comments come after an estimated 30,000 people marched down Sydney Road in Brunswick yesterday to honour the Irish woman, whose death has touched and united an entire city.

    A 20-metre long mural (pictured above) has also been painted on Hosier Lane in the city with the simple, yet poignant, message: Rest In Peace Jill.
    The unnamed artist is believed to have painted the tribute along the wall of the Forum Theatre between midday and 7pm yesterday.
    Lord Mayor Robert Doyle said the mural captured the mood of the city following Ms Meagher's death.
    "Whether it stays longer term is probably a question for the new council, but it is an appropriate reminder to us at the moment," he told 3AW.
    "My suggestion would be we leave it for at least a short period of time before we decide whether it stays there permanently or not."
    The City of Melbourne issued a statement saying that while it was deeply saddened by Ms Meagher’s death, the size and "dominating presence" of the mural meant it was unlikely to remain in Hosier Lane in its current form.
    "The City of Melbourne has commenced engagement with the street art community about the best way to manage this piece," the statement said.
    "Hosier Lane is one of Melbourne’s most iconic laneways and is world-renowned for its diverse mix of street art. It constantly evolves and is a space that has traditionally been shared by Melbourne’s street art community."
    Meantime, Mr Lay said he had not witnessed an event such as the extraordinary march yesterday down Sydney Road, where Ms Meagher was last seen alive.
    "I cant remember anything like this in 37 years [in the police force]," Mr Lay said.
    "It's just extraordinary the impact it's had on our community.
    "I think it's an indication that we're a decent society that doesn't put up or doesn't want to tolerate these sort of crimes."
    Last week, Jill's distraught husband, Tom, pleaded with people on social media to stop posting comments about the man accused of raping and murdering his wife.
    Tom Meagher said the negative comments could have an impact on the criminal case against Bayley.
    "I just wanted to say very briefly that despite the fact that this is the worst thing we'll ever go through in our lives, I've been really humbled by the support from the Australian public, the fine efforts of police and all of the friends, family who've put their lives on hold to help us out," he said.
    "And while I appreciate all the support, I would just like to mention that negative comments on social media may hurt legal proceedings, so please be mindful of that."
    Facebook has been contacted for comment.


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    Man, I cant imagine the guilt her husband and coworker must be feeling even though this isn't anyone's fault but the killer's. The husband falls asleep and doesn't pick her up and the coworker didn't insist on walking her home when it was obvious she was drunk. She was a real easy target- alone at 2am and noticeable drunk. Better decisions could have deterred a rapist/killer, that's what makes it even more sad, it could have been prevented if she had her just accepted her coworker's offer to walk her home.

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    I cannot believe the public reaction to this. Yes it's a horrible murder but hardly unique more's the pity. It's reaching St Diana hysteria pitch. Let her poor family grieve in peace already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadDwarf View Post
    Man, I cant imagine the guilt her husband and coworker must be feeling even though this isn't anyone's fault but the killer's. The husband falls asleep and doesn't pick her up and the coworker didn't insist on walking her home when it was obvious she was drunk. She was a real easy target- alone at 2am and noticeable drunk. Better decisions could have deterred a rapist/killer, that's what makes it even more sad, it could have been prevented if she had her just accepted her coworker's offer to walk her home.
    I hate to say this and will probably start WWIII, but she made herself a walking target. She made the decision to have way too much to drink.
    This is a position I would never have and never did put myself in.
    In the end you are responsible for your own actions. It would be very different if some creep took her fron her own house or car cold sober.
    But I admit I fail to see how much fun one can have totally plowed. A couple of drinks? Sure. She had to have know she was going well over her limit and walked straight into the jaws of hell. Sober or only semi-buzzed she might have fended him off or at least had a chance. She left no margin for error. The only mercy here is that hopefully she never knew what happned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McJag View Post
    Sober or only semi-buzzed she might have fended him off or at least had a chance. She left no margin for error. The only mercy here is that hopefully she never knew what happned.
    She wouldn't have stood a chance even if she was sober. She was a slight woman and he was a gym freak. Unfortunately I think she knew all too well what happened. Apparently the details of the crime were so bad it made a male journalist actually vomit. (he tweeted that)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarzy View Post
    She wouldn't have stood a chance even if she was sober. She was a slight woman and he was a gym freak. Unfortunately I think she knew all too well what happened. Apparently the details of the crime were so bad it made a male journalist actually vomit. (he tweeted that)

    I also read somewhere that there was another CCTV footage that wasn't released to the public. This footage pretty much revealed the killer and was disturbing.

    Btw, I am also surprised with the gathering down Sydney Rd on Sunday. IMO it's best to leave the family and friends grieve in private.

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